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WandaVision |OT| Wanda's Mental Multiverse Breakdown

Airbus Jr

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ManaByte said:
Wanda is puppeteering Vision’s corpse. Kind of hard to do that with Pietro as his corpse was vaporized on Sakovia eight years before the series is set.
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If Pietro still alive then why dont they bring back the same pietro instead of the x men version?

We still dont know the extend of Wanda capabilities

Read House of M she can create any reality she wants
 
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Airbus Jr

Airbus Jr

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ManaByte said:
Sometimes actors don't want to return to a role?
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Is it confirmed that Marvell Pietro doesnt want to reprise his role in this movie?

Sounds weird...especially during this pandemics...finding jobs for movies are not easy...

Why would he refuses some free money?
 
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DeepEnigma

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ManaByte said:
All the sites who wrote definitive clickbait stories about the end of this episode will look pretty dumb if the next four hours of the show reveal it's not who they declared him to be in their clickbait.
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He could just be another animated corpse projection from her subconscious. Wasn't he shot full of holes by Ultron and not snapped away?
 
ManaByte

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sol_bad said:
Don't over think things.
Evan Peters is just another Westview resident being controlled against his will.
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'WandaVision': Evan Peters Arrives in Westview as Wanda's Long-Lost Bro | Marvel

Standing on the other side, in full Hawaiian-shirt and leather jacket glory, is Pietro Maximoff… played by Evan Peters. As Dr. Darcy Lewis notes from the S.W.O.R.D. base outside of Westview, this isn’t who we think it is — “She recast Pietro?” she says, flabbergasted. From the looks of it, yes, that’s exactly what Wanda did. She recast Pietro for the latest episode of ‘WandaVision,’ once again playing into a familiar pattern of sitcoms of yesteryear simply replacing a character without much fuss.
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Yup it's starting to seem like all of the people writing articles claiming it's the Fox Quicksilver are going to look dumb.
 
Nobody_Important

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“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Finally sat down to watch all of this. The first couple of episodes were bit slow in my opinion, but once we started to see the real world side by side with the fake one it got much more interesting. I have enjoyed watching all of the easter egg videos for each episode and speculating about it all with friends.


They turned me into a weekly viewer I think.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Irobot82 said:
It's the multiverse, why not?
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I mean it is possible, I just think there's more at play here. Certainly it could be, but I think it's a red herring and it's something else entirely. I can post my speculation if you want.

My post was poking fun of this "scoopster" that tends to some major mental gymnastics to say that everything he says is correct.
 
Irobot82

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AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
I mean it is possible, I just think there's more at play here. Certainly it could be, but I think it's a red herring and it's something else entirely. I can post my speculation if you want.

My post was poking fun of this "scoopster" that tends to some major mental gymnastics to say that everything he says is correct.
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Yeah. It's just fun to watch. I love seeing that "easter egg" I love that they put the gasp track in there. They are really nailing the show right now.
 
OmegaSupreme

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Nobody_Important said:
Finally sat down to watch all of this. The first couple of episodes were bit slow in my opinion, but once we started to see the real world side by side with the fake one it got much more interesting. I have enjoyed watching all of the easter egg videos for each episode and speculating about it all with friends.


They turned me into a weekly viewer I think.
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The speculation with friends part is what's keeping me going. I have a friend who's much more into comics than me and watching him get ecstatic over the show with his theories is a great part of its appeal. I enjoy some of the gags and homages to old shows as well. It's not the best thing ever but it's compelling tv in a time when not much has grabbed me.
 
Nester99

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sol_bad said:
There isn't any illusions. Reality is literally being changed within the Westview bubble. Regarding cloth material etc. So it's someone who can change reality.

And did anyone else feel sad when Vision said he can't remember anything and was scared?
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Wanda can shape reality.

I think she had a psychotic break and an evil force is manipulating it
 
bitbydeath

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I’m surprised no one is suspecting the neighbour yet.

-Agnes is always around
-She introduced herself to them
-She isn’t phased when something unnatural occurs like the kids ageing.
-She appears to have free will as she was talking to the hedge cutter neighbour

I would keep an eye on her
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BadBurger

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I see all of this as a way to introduce the multiverse. We already know Wanda will be in the Doctor Strange film regarding it. I'll be happy to watch how it all plays out.

My speculation based off my very limited comic knowledge:

Wanda struck a deal with Mephisto, who we haven't seen yet, and for whom Agnes works for / with. And within the "hex" Vision truly is alive, her children are real, as it has been established that even materials that enter are literally transformed or transfigured. The problem is that they cannot leave it.

Anyways, after those first two slow episodes this has turned into my favorite show in a long time. I'll be watching every Friday.
 
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John2290

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This isn't even worth the months cost of Disney plus, the sheep being fed crumbs by Disney's social media bots are out again and going along for the ride. It's the Mandalorian all over again, no body can truly believe the hyberbolic nonsense praise they are spitting out about these bland, badly shot, day time TV trash heaps.
 
MrMephistoX

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voidenberg said:
If it's a
fake quicksilver, then why use the X-men one and not the one from the MCU? It's multiverse shenanigans. It has to be.
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BadBurger said:
I see all of this as a way to introduce the multiverse. We already know Wanda will be in the Doctor Strange film regarding it. I'll be happy to watch how it all plays out.

My speculation based off my very limited comic knowledge:

Wanda struck a deal with Mephisto, who we haven't seen yet, and for whom Agnes works for / with. And within the "hex" Vision truly is alive, her children are real, as it has been established that even materials that enter are literally transformed or transfigured. The problem is that they cannot leave it.

Anyways, after those first two slow episodes this has turned into my favorite show in a long time. I'll be watching every Friday.
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It would be a completely wasted opportunity if they didn’t use this as a way to bring in the X-men. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was essentially the long plan all along by bringing the wonder twins into the MCU during age of Ultron. Feige knows how to play comics nerds like a fiddle and even people who’ve just been fans of the movies in general. Without the FOX acquisition this cameo wouldn’t have happened.
 
ManaByte

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MrMephistoX said:
It would be a completely wasted opportunity if they didn’t use this as a way to bring in the X-men. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was essentially the long plan all along by bringing the wonder twins into the MCU during age of Ultron. Feige knows how to play comics nerds like a fiddle and even people who’ve just been fans of the movies in general. Without the FOX acquisition this cameo wouldn’t have happened.
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Again you're assuming he's the Fox version of Quicksilver. There are still four hours left in the show.
 
MrMephistoX

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ManaByte said:
Again you're assuming he's the Fox version of Quicksilver. There are still four hours left in the show.
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Not assuming anything just speculating; Occam’s razor and all that. For it not to be him and for it just to be a coincidence is oddly more convoluted than using FO X-verse Quicksilver as a bridge to introducing a property disney paid over $7 billion to acquire. Casting the same actor and not following up with more meaning would not only be a dumb cocktease but an expensive wasted opportunity. There were literally no other X-men characters but Wanda and Quicksilver in the current MCU so having Fasbender or Jackman just randomly show up makes no sense from a story telling standpoint.

From a storytelling standpoint you just see him on screen and there’s no need to speculate: the X-men are just a part of the MCU multiverse now which launched in EndGame when time travel became a thing. It’s a visually easy way to do it.

This doesn’t have to be an overwrought convoluted and over plotted explanation requiring a 10 minute montage and VO like the Snap returnees all being mutants now or the energy released by Tony’s Snap destroying the infinity stones leading to massive gamma ray mutations or some dumb shit.
 
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Bridges

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ManaByte said:
'WandaVision': Evan Peters Arrives in Westview as Wanda's Long-Lost Bro | Marvel



Yup it's starting to seem like all of the people writing articles claiming it's the Fox Quicksilver are going to look dumb.
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Playing Devil's advocate here, the "recast" remark definitely doesn't mean anything in regards to whether or not this is the same Quicksilver from Fox. It would make sense for the MCU characters to interpret it as a "recast" because none of them have ever seen this guy before who is claiming to be her brother, it's not like they would've immediately guessed "he's from another reality!" upon just seeing him, and of course it plays into the sitcom format to phrase it that way.

Of course I don't know for sure what's happening but either way I'm excited. I am in agreement with MrMephistoX MrMephistoX though that it almost seems more convoluted to have a Fox actor reprise his role if it isn't for some bigger picture tie-in. Nobody made a fuss about Hulk or War Machine so if it were a legitimate recast without story implications I'd imagine they'd have treated it differently.

Can't wait to find out what's going on
 
bitbydeath

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BadBurger said:
I see all of this as a way to introduce the multiverse. We already know Wanda will be in the Doctor Strange film regarding it. I'll be happy to watch how it all plays out.

My speculation based off my very limited comic knowledge:

Wanda struck a deal with Mephisto, who we haven't seen yet, and for whom Agnes works for / with. And within the "hex" Vision truly is alive, her children are real, as it has been established that even materials that enter are literally transformed or transfigured. The problem is that they cannot leave it.

Anyways, after those first two slow episodes this has turned into my favorite show in a long time. I'll be watching every Friday.
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The main part in question though is
Geraldines/Rambos clothes exited the hex but still remained transformed in their 70’s apparel.
 
ManaByte

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Snuggle Bubbler said:
Playing Devil's advocate here, the "recast" remark definitely doesn't mean anything in regards to whether or not this is the same Quicksilver from Fox. It would make sense for the MCU characters to interpret it as a "recast" because none of them have ever seen this guy before who is claiming to be her brother, it's not like they would've immediately guessed "he's from another reality!" upon just seeing him, and of course it plays into the sitcom format to phrase it that way.

Of course I don't know for sure what's happening but either way I'm excited. I am in agreement with MrMephistoX MrMephistoX though that it almost seems more convoluted to have a Fox actor reprise his role if it isn't for some bigger picture tie-in. Nobody made a fuss about Hulk or War Machine so if it were a legitimate recast without story implications I'd imagine they'd have treated it differently.

Can't wait to find out what's going on
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They've already established there are over a thousand people in the town affected, and there's a FBI witness who's in there that they've already foreshadowed in the show.
 
BadBurger

BadBurger

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bitbydeath said:
The main part in question though is
Geraldines/Rambos clothes exited the hex but still remained transformed in their 70’s apparel.
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The clothes were actual physical things that entered the hex and transformed, then sent back out. I think that's the key difference. Vision is a dead thing, but he is given real life within the hex. Their children were created within or perhaps by whatever is driving the hex. VIsion's life, those children, I don't think they can exist outside of it. That's why Wanda so sadly told Vision "No.... we can't" when he told her they could go anywhere.

That's my theory anyway.
 
Bridges

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ManaByte said:
They've already established there are over a thousand people in the town affected, and there's a FBI witness who's in there that they've already foreshadowed in the show.
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You could be right that it's that simple, but once again I'm more of the mind that going to the effort of having Evan Peters come back only to later reveal that he's just some dude who lived in the town and has nothing to do with his former Xmen role makes less sense to me, especially knowing we're on the heels of the multiverse
 
ManaByte

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Snuggle Bubbler said:
You could be right that it's that simple, but once again I'm more of the mind that going to the effort of having Evan Peters come back only to later reveal that he's just some dude who lived in the town and has nothing to do with his former Xmen role makes less sense to me, especially knowing we're on the heels of the multiverse
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For fans it seems that simple, but in Hollywood it's not. The version of Quicksilver in the X-Men movies was created by Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg. To use that version of the character they'd need to not only pay them but give them producer credits. That's why Zack Snyder is credited on any movie where a Justice League character appears, because he created those versions of Wonder Woman and Aquaman; even if he has nothing to do with their movies he gets a producer credit.

They could have Evan Peters play a version of Quicksilver from a different universe, but he couldn't have the silver jacket or goggles like he did in the Singerverse without those producers getting credit.

That's one reason why JK Simmons' MCU version of JJ doesn't work for a newspaper or look anything like he did in the Raimi movies. If they did that, then Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach would then need to given producer credit and part of the Sony/Disney Spider-Man deal is that those two aren't allowed anywhere near the Spidey franchise when Feige is producing the movies for Sony. Jamie Foxx's Electro in Spider-Man 3 apparently looks different than the dead Electro from ASM2, again to avoid having to involve Avi Arad at all.
 
sol_bad

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Snuggle Bubbler said:
You could be right that it's that simple, but once again I'm more of the mind that going to the effort of having Evan Peters come back only to later reveal that he's just some dude who lived in the town and has nothing to do with his former Xmen role makes less sense to me, especially knowing we're on the heels of the multiverse
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It makes sense when you look at the evidence presented. A town with 4000 residents are mind controlled to be part of this sitcom reality and they are all given different identities to play along with.
Making it Piotre from the Fox-Men movies is over complicating things. Mutants certainly won't come from an alternate reality. There is too much bad baggage there and Feige would be limited in what he can do.
 
ManaByte

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sol_bad said:
Mutants certainly won't come from an alternate reality. There is too much bad baggage there and Feige would be limited in what he can do.
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They're not bringing the Fantastic Four in from the Fox universe. They're doing Mutants the MCU way, one of which is to go to Madripoor which is somewhere Fox never went (and there are even rumors that Ka-zar is on the table too).
 
MrMephistoX

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Snuggle Bubbler said:
Playing Devil's advocate here, the "recast" remark definitely doesn't mean anything in regards to whether or not this is the same Quicksilver from Fox. It would make sense for the MCU characters to interpret it as a "recast" because none of them have ever seen this guy before who is claiming to be her brother, it's not like they would've immediately guessed "he's from another reality!" upon just seeing him, and of course it plays into the sitcom format to phrase it that way.

Of course I don't know for sure what's happening but either way I'm excited. I am in agreement with MrMephistoX MrMephistoX though that it almost seems more convoluted to have a Fox actor reprise his role if it isn't for some bigger picture tie-in. Nobody made a fuss about Hulk or War Machine so if it were a legitimate recast without story implications I'd imagine they'd have treated it differently.

Can't wait to find out what's going on
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Yeah regardless I’m sure it will be interesting I don’t have any emotional investment in my theory being correct I just think it raises way too many questions for it not to be the case: if it’s not intended to be a bridge to FOX and mutants why muddy the pool by casting the same actor? If that’s not the intent they should have just cast someone else and given him pure white hair like the comics instead of going with the grey silver Fox verse variant.
 
sol_bad

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MrMephistoX said:
Yeah regardless I’m sure it will be interesting I don’t have any emotional investment in my theory being correct I just think it raises way too many questions for it not to be the case: if it’s not intended to be a bridge to FOX and mutants why muddy the pool by casting the same actor? If that’s not the intent they should have just cast someone else and given him pure white hair like the comics instead of going with the grey silver Fox verse variant.
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If they cast someone else, the current conversations wouldn't take place. They knew this would drum up conversation and theories.
 
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