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WaPo: "Animal abusers are being registered like sex offenders in these jurisdictions"

Article from last September

Starting in November, convicted animal abusers in the county that includes Tampa will be easier to identify. Their names, photos and addresses will be published on a county-run website that is publicly searchable and similar to the online sex offender registries that have proliferated since the 1990s.

The animal abuser registry, passed last week by commissioners in Hillsborough County, is aimed at preventing people who have harmed animals from doing so again. Retailers and shelters will be required to have prospective pet adopters or purchasers sign an affidavit saying they're not on the registry. Regular people seeking pet-sitters or new homes for their animals will be able to vet candidates. Law enforcement officials will, at least in theory, be able to keep tabs on offenders' whereabouts.

The county is the latest in a tiny but growing group of U.S. jurisdictions to adopt such registries. A handful of New York counties have them, as does New York City, although that one isn't accessible to the public. Cook County, Ill., whose county seat is Chicago, recently decided to create one. Tennessee started the first statewide registry in January, although it still has just three people on its list.

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”There are different degrees of abuse. There are offenders who intentionally kill or torture animals, or who are engaged in dogfighting. On the other end of the spectrum, there are pet owners who have an inadequate doghouse," Shatkin said. ”We wouldn't want to paint both types of offenders with the same brush."

Among the skeptics is the Humane Society of the United States, whose president and chief executive, Wayne Pacelle, wrote in 2010 that the ”overwhelming proportion of animal abuse is perpetrated by people who neglect their own animals" and are unlikely to commit violence against other people and pets.

”Such individuals would pose a lesser threat to animals in the future if they received comprehensive mental health counseling," Pacelle wrote at the time. ”Shaming them with a public Internet profile is unlikely to affect their future behavior — except perhaps to isolate them further from society and promote increased distrust of authority figures trying to help them."

I'm not sure where I stand on the idea of such a registry. But fuck this about it being public. If there is to be a registry, it has to only be available to law enforcement agencies and agencies that deal with animal sale/adoption.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
I mean, fuck animal abusers. Can't say I have much sympathy towards them. I may go as far as to say they're subhuman trash, so making that knowledge public is fine by me.
 
”There are different degrees of abuse. There are offenders who intentionally kill or torture animals, or who are engaged in dogfighting. On the other end of the spectrum, there are pet owners who have an inadequate doghouse," Shatkin said. ”We wouldn't want to paint both types of offenders with the same brush."

Yeah I don't really have a problem with this. Murdering animals for fun and dogfighting are a step beyond "I smacked my dog on the nose because it ate my dinner".
 
This is fucked up. I'm all for having a list of animal abusers, but there's nothing logical about throwing them into the sex offender list.
 

Switch Back 9

a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I can't see any rational reason to argue otherwise, though I'm sure some will try.

But...Go Florida? God that feels strange to say.
 
Can't say i feel any sympathy for animal abusers and certainly think they deserve this. Someone shared a photo on Facebook of a guy who tied a cat to the back of his car then drove around for likes then took a selfie with the cats body and its eye popped out.
And another that microwaved a living turtle
And someone that put diapers on their dog then force fed their feces to the dog

People like that deserve to have their life ruined.
If they're willing to take videos of such acts and put it up in public anyway then it should be out there for all to see.

Hope this becomes common place
 
It is weird to me that this is public...but until we can develop a foolproof test for psychopathy, a registry for truly violent animal abusers might function as a kind of shorthand.
 

Vixdean

Member
Good, if no other reason than to prevent these folks from adopting animals from shelters and such. Not sure if I'm ok with it being publically available, but I guess if you have pets it's a good thing to know about your potential neighbors.
 

kiunchbb

www.dictionary.com
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.
 
Animal abusers should be locked up for years in my opinion. If i ever lived near one, I'd make sure to get several pit bulls.
 
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.
Animal abuse is a crime
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.
Because they weren't criminals before, right?
 
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.
You should start a gofundme for these poor animal abusers.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
If someone stabs a dog or cat, plucks their eyes out, or squashes them then yes I think they should be on a list. Any abuse should be taken very seriously, not just dogs and cats.

Just imagine if someone kept buying pets just to brutually abuse them. It is torture.

Just cause someone got fined or spent a week in jail won't stop them from getting one from Craigslist or something. Screw that. I support organizations that actually help animals. There are cruel people who do sick things to animals.
 

Sylas

Member
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.
So don't fucking abuse animals. There is literally no justification for it in any way. It's always just for funsies.

Abuse by neglect is another thing and shouldn't be on a public list.
 
I am not really comfortable for the database to be public. You can be sure that all employers will check the database, hiring someone with violent history is bad news.

Those abusers already punished by law, this database will force them into a life of unemployment and crime.

We need to fix how criminals are pushed through the system. Maybe with proper therapy and evaluation someone can be removed from the list, but since, today, they won't be getting that kind of treatment... yeah... I'd love to not hire someone who previously exhibited signs of psychopathy. Just because you served time doesn't mean your slate is cleaned, and certainly not your mind. Hell, a lot of animal abusers just pay fines and then get back to doing what they were doing.

And it's really simple not to be on that list and have your life ruined: Don't abuse animals.
 
But all of them would be on this list.

If you smack your dog on the nose and land on this list, then yes. That's ridiculous. Somehow I don't think those people are going to wind up on it though.

Prevention of future abuse is a pretty big part of this initiative guys. It's very easy for someone to go to a shelter and get a lot of animals and abuse them.
 
If you smack your dog on the nose and land on this list, then yes. That's ridiculous. Somehow I don't think those people are going to wind up on it though.

Sex offender registries contain people who have viciously raped people right along side with 19 year olds who fucked up and had a relationships with 17 year olds. Don't assume that "minor" offenses would be left off the list.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Every PETA member and a lot of other animal rights groups should be on this list.
 

Aurongel

Member
So don't fucking abuse animals. There is literally no justification for it in any way. It's always just for funsies.

Abuse by neglect is another thing and shouldn't be on a public list.
You can make that argument for literally every crime that results in disenfranchisement.

"Barred from voting because of a felony? Dont do the crime then."

"Cant find a job because of a DUI conviction you had in the past? Dont do the crime then".

We have threads fairly regularly here that are overwhelmingly against many of the ways criminals are disenfranchised long after they've served their time. So why is it that we're now in favor of this when it involves animals?

I'm not trying to defend animal abusers but there's some fairly blatant double standards at play here regarding acceptable punishment.

EDIT: To further clarify my question; where do we draw the line here?
 
So is murder. Where are the public lists of all murderers?

In some states, spitting is a crime and it certainly seems like GAF has it out for spitters. Why not a public list of all people who have violated spitting laws?
Nice goalpost moving.

Someone complains about the database exiling them to a life of crime
I respond clarifying that animal abuse is a crime, thus they're already criminals.
So you respond by crying "Yeah but w-what about murders!". Seriously?

Background checks already exist, online databases with public info already exist. If i had your name and city/country of residence i could find a whole lot of your info online, just sitting there for anyone to see, including your address, phone numbers, and likely even criminal record, etc. That's what doxing is, and its not new.

Are you also going to complain that sex offenders have a list? Should pet owners and people with children not be aware that they're living near a potentially dangerous individual with a history? Come the fuck on.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Criminal record isn't a few clicks away.

yes it is. Its surprisingly easy to get. We had a tenant get arrested and couldn't appear in court for her eviction. I looked her up on in the county database and we found out she was arrested and charged with a felony.


also im 100% in favor of this. You intentionally hurt animals you're like one step under rapists and murderers in my book.
 

louiedog

Member
Every PETA member and a lot of other animal rights groups should be on this list.

This is stupid. I know someone who had an internship with PETA which involved going to elementary school classrooms teaching kids how to treat animals properly and you think they need to be on a list for abusing animals?
 
Nice goalpost moving.

Someone complains about the database exiling them to a life of crime
I respond clarifying that animal abuse is a crime, thus they're already criminals.
So you respond by crying "Yeah but w-what about murders!". Seriously?

Background checks already exist, online databases with public info already exist. If i had your name and city/country of residence i could find a whole lot of your info online, just sitting there for anyone to see, including your address, phone numbers, and likely even criminal record, etc. That's what doxing is, and its not new.

Are you also going to complain that sex offenders have a list? Should pet owners and people with children not be aware that they're living near a potentially dangerous individual with a history? Come the fuck on.

No, I am just wondering why we need lists for all of these things? And if there is going to be a list of animal abusers then why isn't there a PHYSICAL VIOLENCE list or MURDER list. it sure would be nice to know if I was living next to a psychopath that might blow up and attack me at any given time.

I am simply pointing out the absurdity of safety lists like these and wondering why lists that would actually protect me or my family don't exist. Instead we get these feel good lists that actually cause irreparable harm to the people placed on them.
 

JoeBoy101

Member
I'm not sure where I stand on the idea of such a registry. But fuck this about it being public. If there is to be a registry, it has to only be available to law enforcement agencies and agencies that deal with animal sale/adoption.

This. I've never be in favor of public registries of convicted criminals. We're not supposed to do this scarlet letter bullshit.


KillerQueen said:
Animal abuse is a crime

There's a difference between 'A' crime and a 'Career Criminal'.
 
This. I've never be in favor of public registries of convicted criminals. We're not supposed to do this scarlet letter bullshit.

I'm a huge dog lover that cries whenever I read about one being hurt or neglected and I totally agree with you. Animal abusers need psychological help, or sometimes just some basic education about what their pets need, not permanent ostracism.
 
No, I am just wondering why we need lists for all of these things? And if there is going to be a list of animal abusers then why isn't there a PHYSICAL VIOLENCE list or MURDER list. it sure would be nice to know if I was living next to a psychopath that might blow up and attack me at any given time.

I am simply pointing out the absurdity of safety lists like these and wondering why lists that would actually protect me or my family don't exist. Instead we get these feel good lists that actually cause irreparable harm to the people placed on them.

An animal abuser list exists to protect your pets from harm
A sex abuser list exists to protect your family from harm

As has been said before, by myself and others there are ways for you to to background checks on people and find their criminal records already, all online and easily accessible. Its not hard.

This. I've never be in favor of public registries of convicted criminals. We're not supposed to do this scarlet letter bullshit.




There's a difference between 'A' crime and a 'Career Criminal'.
So because someone brutally killed an animal and lost their job prospects they're​ going to become career criminals? And this was a path they set themselves down anyway and im supposed to be sympathetic? Lol
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
This is stupid. I know someone who had an internship with PETA which involved going to elementary school classrooms teaching kids how to treat animals properly and you think they need to be on a list for abusing animals?

Yes because they're a member of PETA. That group is a self centered cult at this point is far more concerned with garnering more attention for their brand name and increasing donations than doing any real good for animals. In fact they're often more likely to be actively detrimental to animals in my experience.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
also im 100% in favor of this. You intentionally hurt animals you're like one step under rapists and murderers in my book.

For the most part, people can speak up and tell someone that they're being abused. What can animals do? What can small pets do to defend themselves? I agree.

I've been donating to the ASPCA. I don't have the tools to help animals who are abused, so I can only hope and pray my money actually goes to help abused animals.

Every single time I defend animals someone thinks I'm putting them above children. Why can't they be properly maintained and cared for? What brings children into this? An animal should have rights especially if you think hurting them is a good idea.

Animal abuse has always bothered me. I saw my dog spnked once and I freaked out. I can't stand it.
 
Someone shared a photo on Facebook of a guy who tied a cat to the back of his car then drove around for likes then took a selfie with the cats body and its eye popped out.
And another that microwaved a living turtle
And someone that put diapers on their dog then force fed their feces to the dog
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who would post that
 
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