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[Foffy]

The dude will be dead soon, only one that can hope him accountable at this point is Satan making sure hell is warm enough for him when he dies. Just another fucking conman.

It is times like this I wish I was religious.

McCain will die and the only sorrow he will feel is that his family will likely see hurtful remarks about what he's done for the rest of their lives.

I can already imagine the "Good riddance" tweets aimed right at his daughter the hour he dies..

 

[Master Yoshi]

Trump right now.

 

[Aaronrules380]

McCain voted yes, just after making an impassioned speech to the senate about how fucked the process is and upset at McConnell's direction.

He voted yes literally after saying he was a hard no on the current bill. He voted yes on this while 6 others in his party said No.

There are no words.

9 others actually. Though some of those were far right assholes who didn't think it was screwing enough people over

 

[Koomaster]

As closely as I've been following this, I just don't even know what they are voting on this week. (Do they even know?) This reads like they've got a bunch of different versions of bills and they're just going to keep voting to see what sticks. Is that accurate?

The WP article mentioned one that needed 60 votes to pass - is that for every bill going forward or just that one? Do they still have to cross 50 votes or is it now up to 60?

Also if all these get voted down, then what happens? Can we get a break from this nonsense for a few weeks or does this start back up again next week?

 

[Chmpocalypse]

Fuck mccain. He's going to die a shitstain.

 

[Psychoward]

McCain fucking voted FOR IT. After that long "epic!!!!" speech about bi-partisanship and how he wouldn't vote on the bills presented to him, he fucking lied through his teeth.

Shocking

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I'm terribly confused. Didn't they already had a vote hours ago and the GOP won? This is so confusing!

 

[Steel]

I'm terribly confused. Didn't they already had a vote hours ago and the GOP won? This is so confusing!

That was a vote to vote.

 

[brochiller]

I'm terribly confused. Didn't they already had a vote hours ago and the GOP won? This is so confusing!

That vote was just to proceed on this debate.

 

[WedgeX]

I'm terribly confused. Didn't they already had a vote hours ago and the GOP won? This is so confusing!

They voted to open debate. Then subsequently opened up amendments, including a chance to repeal and replace the ACA, for voting tonight. And then lost.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I can understand not knowing how this stuff works if you're not an American, but it's a pretty stunning indictment of civics if you can't follow what's going on, at a basic level, and you're a citizen of this nation.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I'm still in disbelief that people actually thought McCain would do the right thing.

 

[JettDash]

Arizona's governor and former governor are actually against the BRCA because of the Medicaid cuts. Yet that scumbag McCain (and Jeff Flake) voted for ot anyway.

 

[Shadybiz]

Fuckin' McCain.

 

[Iolo]

The repeal and replace they voted on just now was apparently the version of the BCRA with the Cruz amendment in it, which is probably why it was voted down.

So I guess they will also vote on a repeal-only bill, and then "skinny repeal", and in between that, dozens of amendments will be voted on (which, it's not clear to me what they are amending).

More info:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/which-health-bill-will-the-senate-vote-on.html

 

[Snaku]

McCain voted yes, just after making an impassioned speech to the senate about how fucked the process is and upset at McConnell's direction.

He voted yes literally after saying he was a hard no on the current bill. He voted yes on this while 6 others in his party said No.

There are no words.

He's either a monstrous piece of shit, or his rot fuck brain thought yes meant no. Or probably both.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

As closely as I've been following this, I just don't even know what they are voting on this week. (Do they even know?) This reads like they've got a bunch of different versions of bills and they're just going to keep voting to see what sticks. Is that accurate?

The WP article mentioned one that needed 60 votes to pass - is that for every bill going forward or just that one? Do they still have to cross 50 votes or is it now up to 60?

Also if all these get voted down, then what happens? Can we get a break from this nonsense for a few weeks or does this start back up again next week?

This is correct. What they've done is voted to proceed on basically negotiating over the House version of the Obamacare repeal. They're going to keep proposing amendments to the House bill (some of which are "replace the entire House bill with this bill instead!") and each amendment is given an up or down vote.

Some of these amendments will require 60 votes, some will require 50.

If no amendments pass, then they eventually will just be voting on the House repeal bill, which would require 60 votes, and therefore would fail.

I believe if the Senate fails to pass the House bill, the process ends there. The House would basically have to start the whole thing over. It would actually kick them all the way back to the beginning.

 

[Iolo]

I can understand not knowing how this stuff works if you're not an American, but it's a pretty stunning indictment of civics if you can't follow what's going on, at a basic level, and you're a citizen of this nation.

It is more an indictment of Republican secrecy, subterfuge and obfuscation.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I can understand not knowing how this stuff works if you're not an American, but it's a pretty stunning indictment of civics if you can't follow what's going on, at a basic level, and you're a citizen of this nation.

Poster: wait what are they voting on??

You: jeeeeeeeeezus! Are you a fucking idiot! Did you go to school?! A 2nd grader could follow this!

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I can understand not knowing how this stuff works if you're not an American, but it's a pretty stunning indictment of civics if you can't follow what's going on, at a basic level, and you're a citizen of this nation.

I don't know, man. Congressional rules are pretty arcane and are often hard to follow. I watch this stuff closely and I'm still sometimes confused.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I thought the first bill to be offered was going to be the original House bill, and then a repeal-only bill.

What a crap-fest. No one can tell anymore what actions are on purpose, unexpected, strategic, tactical or just plain fails.

They were never going to vote on the House bill itself. The Senate bill(s) are being brought up as amendments to the House bill for procedural reasons--they're just amendments that completely replace the House bill.

 

[Brandon F]

As closely as I've been following this, I just don't even know what they are voting on this week. (Do they even know?) This reads like they've got a bunch of different versions of bills and they're just going to keep voting to see what sticks. Is that accurate?

The WP article mentioned one that needed 60 votes to pass - is that for every bill going forward or just that one? Do they still have to cross 50 votes or is it now up to 60?

Also if all these get voted down, then what happens? Can we get a break from this nonsense for a few weeks or does this start back up again next week?

60 is needed if they wish to repeal with measures attached that are out of the scope of pure budgetary changes. (Major Medicaid changes or fighting to defund planned parenthood). Those are considered policy changes and not purely budgetary.

50 is only needed for a few measures allowed that would heavily disrupt the ACA. There are articles about listing three of the major amendments that the GOP is considering and allowed with a 50 vote.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I don't know, man. Congressional rules are pretty arcane and are often hard to follow. I watch this stuff closely and I'm still sometimes confused.

That's why I just said at a basic level. I don't know much of the intricate details either, but I know the broader picture.

 

[Geist-]

Fuck you McCain, fuck you. Can't feel sympathy for you at all anymore.

 

[The Llama]

Nothing constructive to add, but I'm always surprised to see how late at night Congress is voting on bills (usually the Senate, for whatever reason).

 

[leroidys]

This is correct. What they've done is voted to proceed on basically negotiating over the House version of the Obamacare repeal. They're going to keep proposing amendments to the House bill (some of which are "replace the entire House bill with this bill instead!") and each amendment is given an up or down vote.

Some of these amendments will require 60 votes, some will require 50.

If no amendments pass, then they eventually will just be voting on the House repeal bill, which would require 60 votes, and therefore would fail.

I believe if the Senate fails to pass the House bill, the process ends there. The House would basically have to start the whole thing over. It would actually kick them all the way back to the beginning.

So like the senate version of a party wipe?

 

[Steel]

Nothing constructive to add, but I'm always surprised to see how late at night Congress is voting on bills (usually the Senate, for whatever reason).

They're trying to get shit outta the way so they can go ahead with the august recess.

 

[Iolo]

60 is needed if they wish to repeal with measures attached that are out of the scope of pure budgetary changes. (Major Medicaid changes or fighting to defund planned parenthood). Those are considered policy changes and not purely budgetary.

50 is only needed for a few measures allowed that would heavily disrupt the ACA. There are articles about listing three of the major amendments that the GOP is considering and allowed with a 50 vote.

Also, 60 is needed for this particular one that was voted on today because it lacked a CBO score. Which was also Corker's reason for voting against, supposedly

Phil Mattingly‏
@Phil_Mattingly

yes, for those asking McCain and Capito were "yes" votes. Corker tells @tedbarrettcnn he was a no b/c of lack of CBO score

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

I hope it's been a valuable lesson to all the people who cried because we didn't show the man respect, and cursed him name instead.

This is a political war, and niceties are what you're worried about?

Do you think McCain even considered all your well wishes? No. I have no fucking doubt in my mind that he didn't have to think about this decision at all. I'm absolutely fucking positive his mind was long made up, and getting fucking BRAIN CANCER did nothing to change it.

That's who we are against.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Why even call it a skinny repeal when you can fit every change into a single sentence?

Repeal of individual and employer mandates and medical device tax

To call this an ACA repeal is giving Senate Republicans credit. It's just a destructive alteration.

 

[Lumination]

But isn't that because people like Rand Paul just want straight repeal without replace? Is that vote still on the docket?

 

[digdug2k]

God its terrifying watching these people vote on such drastic changes without even bothering to get any actual expert opinions on "What would this actually do to helathcare/the economy".

 

[Haly]

I'm still in disbelief that people actually thought McCain would do the right thing.

We have a lot of saints on GAF with a near bottomless well of empathy and goodwill.

 

[JettDash]

But isn't that because people like Rand Paul just want straight repeal without replace? Is that vote still on the docket?

Yeah they are going to vote for that but no way it passes.

 

[boingball]

McCain a yes, of course. He only barks, never bites.

Capito also a yes. Pushover.

Heller a no. Seems Trump's threats were only good enough to push him to a yes for the motion to proceed.

 

[Kusagari]

Also Capito and Portman even voting for this shit fest tells you all you need to know about them.

Can we please stop calling these people moderates?

 

[Meowster]

They really need to leave people's healthcare alone.

Like that is their LIFE.

Make it better? Sure. Improve? Sure.

 

[Koomaster]

This is correct. What they've done is voted to proceed on basically negotiating over the House version of the Obamacare repeal. They're going to keep proposing amendments to the House bill (some of which are "replace the entire House bill with this bill instead!") and each amendment is given an up or down vote.

Some of these amendments will require 60 votes, some will require 50.

If no amendments pass, then they eventually will just be voting on the House repeal bill, which would require 60 votes, and therefore would fail.

I believe if the Senate fails to pass the House bill, the process ends there. The House would basically have to start the whole thing over. It would actually kick them all the way back to the beginning.

60 is needed if they wish to repeal with measures attached that are out of the scope of pure budgetary changes. (Major Medicaid changes or fighting to defund planned parenthood). Those are considered policy changes and not purely budgetary.

50 is only needed for a few measures allowed that would heavily disrupt the ACA. There are articles about listing three of the major amendments that the GOP is considering and allowed with a 50 vote.

Thanks both. I've really been doing my best at trying to follow this whole thing since the start, but I was at a loss on all that's happening with this right now.

It would be pretty great if this got kicked back to square 1 in the House. Would give much needed temporarily relief from people worrying about getting kicked off their healthcare. v___v

 

[poppedcollar69]

 

[BoogieWoogie]

To call this an ACA repeal is giving Senate Republicans credit. It's just a destructive alteration.

If it passes, Trump will roll out with "HEALTHCARE IS SAVED FOREVER!" and the Republicans will never get him to shut up about it, they'll be handcuffed to it.

 

[Davide]

McCain voted yes, just after making an impassioned speech to the senate about how fucked the process is and upset at McConnell's direction.

He voted yes literally after saying he was a hard no on the current bill. He voted yes on this while 6 others in his party said No.

There are no words.

Is it wrong to seriously wonder about brain damage?

 

[Iolo]

Why even call it a skinny repeal when you can fit every change into a single sentence?



To call this an ACA repeal is giving Senate Republicans credit. It's just a destructive alteration.

Maybe "surgical strike" in lieu of "skinny repeal"

 

[ctothej]

Do we have any idea what the votes are looking like for the skinny repeal? Would Collins and Murkowski still oppose it?

 

[Speely]

Can't wait for more Trump tweets about Dem obstruction throughout this process. He is gonna lose it big time (even more.)

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Do we have any idea what the votes are looking like for the skinny repeal? Would Collins and Murkowski still oppose it?

Maybe not, but I couldn't see Paul and Lee voting for it.

 

[Iolo]

McCain voted yes, just after making an impassioned speech to the senate about how fucked the process is and upset at McConnell's direction.

He voted yes literally after saying he was a hard no on the current bill. He voted yes on this while 6 others in his party said No.

There are no words.

Well sure, he got glowing press coverage for the former, and won't be called out for the latter.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Can we finally say fuck off John McCain or is still a mean thing to do?

nah fam he's a war hero therefore he is immune to any and all criticism

USA

USA

USA

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Is it wrong to seriously wonder about brain damage?

He's not brain damaged. He's just a fucking cowardly shit stain of a human being.

 

[Shauni]

Is it wrong to seriously wonder about brain damage?

Oh, he doesn't have any fucking brain damage. He gave his little speech just fine, the cancer hasn't fucked him up that badly yet. He's just a giant piece of fucking shit, and always has been.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Poster: wait what are they voting on??

You: jeeeeeeeeezus! Are you a fucking idiot! Did you go to school?! A 2nd grader could follow this!

idk why anyone falls for bam bam's schtick. it's old and tiresome seeing them play some weird perverted devils advocate.