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That said, the vitriol spewed against politicians by idiots on all sides of the political sphere is eye-rolling at best (Obummer, Mittens, etc...) and gets to be downright disgusting (this.) It needs to stop if the political dialogue in this country is ever going to improve.

The chimp at the top-right is so adorable.

 

[commedieu]

That said, the vitriol spewed against politicians by idiots on all sides of the political sphere is eye-rolling at best (Obummer, Mittens, etc...) and gets to be downright disgusting (this.) It needs to stop if the political dialogue in this country is ever going to improve.

Bush looking like a monkey, isn't racially charged. Just as Sarah Jessica Parker looking identical, and I do mean identical, to a horse isn't racially charged. How about this, Ignore that question above.

What exactly are you saying, by posting an image of people comparing bush's symian like mannerisms, to the real thing.

I don't want to assume what you mean, but it seems as if you're clinging onto 1 portion of what I said, to find an image that conflicts it, rather than responding to the multiple instances of racism during this campaign, such as don't ReNIG and putting the white back in white house, combined with calling the first lady a wookie, and hanging monkeys at rallies.

Please, explain.

TEX:

People are saying its about race because there isn't much tangible reasoning, or policies that stand up to the second round of Romney's "corrections of what I meant to say when I said that other thing." It just goes into some vague land about being Fiscally conservative, but nothing more.

There were reasons to hate and vote against bush. A laundry list of them.

Not the same for Obama, when you factor in the intelligence to be aware of the Globalized economy and world now.

 

[Escape Goat]

It sucks that Obama got us into a war with Iraq.

 

[water_wendi]

The noise against Obama is pretty tame compared to what i remember Bush getting. i remember tons of effigies, stuff like Pearl Jam putting a Bush mask on the microphone and slamming it into the stage, etc. The monkey stuff is racial but the effigies?

From the founding to today America always has been divided.

 

[Messofanego]

The amount of vitriol people have for their democratically elected leaders is astounding.

Seriously, he should be blaming the public for voting in Obama if he's so upset about him being President.

 

[AlimNassor]

That said, the vitriol spewed against politicians by idiots on all sides of the political sphere is eye-rolling at best (Obummer, Mittens, etc...) and gets to be downright disgusting (this.) It needs to stop if the political dialogue in this country is ever going to improve.

Sorry, that Bush pic isn't wrong because Bush is white, and Obama is black. It's racist when you compare Obama to a monkey because racists compare black folk to monkeys all the time. People weren't comparing Bush to a monkey because of his race, but, rather because he looked like one according to his detractors.

 

[A.E Suggs]

I know people like calling other people bigots and whatnot but does it really matter what he's called if he doesn't care he's being called it?

With respect to those who have fought in the military, being a veteran does not give you an excuse to be a classless racist bigot.

That is NOT what the military fights to defend.

I'm not sure what the military fights to defend anymore, the lines have been very thin as of late. That said no matter who's face was on the sign he'd be in the wrong.

 

[DietRob]

Dafuq you at? I'm basically next to Ben Davis... West side Indy. Peking chinese restaurant? Yeah, I'm by there.

It would bit of a drive for me that's why I said 'road trip'. I'm just north of the 275 loop.

 

[commedieu]

It would bit of a drive for me that's why I said 'road trip'. I'm just north of the 275 loop.

I don't wanna be the one to not say this...

Spoiler

its a trap bro.

 

[Majine]

Freedom of speech is okay, I'm just a little worried about the message involving violent action.

 

[nateeasy]

Halloween decoration guys.

 

[Tex117]

Freedom of speech is okay, I'm just a little worried about the message involving violent action.

There is little evidence that the man intended to "actually hang" the President.

Its called an effigy for a reason.

 

[ronito]

Not racist; he married an "African-American" woman!

So I guess I could say it here.

One of those confessions I got that I couldn't post was a really huge racist rant from a guy who's married to an africanamerican woman. Things said were pretty damn terrible. But dude's still married to his wife. Have no idea how that works.

 

[noah111]

I don't care who he is... that's pretty sick.

 

[Ultima_5]

So I guess I could say it here.

One of those confessions I got that I couldn't post was a really huge racist rant from a guy who's married to an africanamerican woman. Things said were pretty damn terrible. But dude's still married to his wife. Have no idea how that works.

he mutters things under his breath during dinner

seriously, thats a fucked up situation

Spoiler

you shoulda posted that one

 

[Bubble Metropolis]

Sorry, that Bush pic isn't wrong because Bush is white, and Obama is black. It's racist when you compare Obama to a monkey because racists compare black folk to monkeys all the time. People weren't comparing Bush to a monkey because of his race, but, rather because he looked like one according to his detractors.

I'm pretty sure the foundation for racists comparing black people to apes also has to do with appearance, in their twisted brains. I don't sympathize in the slightest, but you've not made much of a distinction here. But it's definitely more venomous when done to a black person due to carrying with it the horrible history of their treatment in the US.

 

[Majine]

There is little evidence that the man intended to "actually hang" the President.

I don't think that matters.

 

[Tex117]

I don't think that matters.

Under the First Amendment it does.

Edit: http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/43-threats-of-violence.html
A great link summarzing from "violent speech" and the first amendment.

 

[out0v0rder]

busiest crossroad eh?

 

[Leunam]

Wants to freely express his views, but not so much that he'll show his face. Makes sense.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

I don't want to assume what you mean, but it seems as if you're clinging onto 1 portion of what I said, to find an image that conflicts it, rather than responding to the multiple instances of racism during this campaign, such as don't ReNIG and putting the white back in white house, combined with calling the first lady a wookie, and hanging monkeys at rallies.

Please, explain.

What I am saying is that there is a history of hanging political leaders in effigy, there is a history of comparing political leaders to monkeys, there is a history of calling political leaders by offensive nicknames. All of these examples, the racially charged ones as well as the non-racially charged ones, lower the political debate. We should denounce all of them and not play "B-b-b-but my guy gets it worse" (while respecting freedom of speech and reveling in the fact that it allows the idiots/racists/bigots to out themselves.)

 

[Majine]

Under the First Amendment it does.

Then I don't agree with it. It still promotes violence regardless.

 

[BocoDragon]

As someone who is basically liberal, I remember the Bush years as a 'dark time' for the world. It's funny how right now is a dark time to a conservative....

 

[Kusagari]

There is little evidence that the man intended to "actually hang" the President.

Its called an effigy for a reason.

There is little evidence dumbasses on twitter really plan to kill Obama, but we've still heard about them getting visited.

 

[Deified Data]

As someone who is basically liberal, I remember the Bush years as a 'dark time' for the world. It's funny how right now is a dark time to a conservative....

Inexplicably. America is still plenty conservative. It may waver here and there, but we're still basically a conservative nation. It annoys me to see them whine about the state of affairs. Want to tell them "You don't know how good you have it".

 

[EatinOlives]

"I am married to an African-American woman so I guess it would be hard to say I am a racist against black people," he said.

This sentence. It was written.

I'm not even going to comment on its contents because it's so fucking obvious, but I just want to requote it again, just to give it more emphasis.

This is what politics is today, folks. Embrace it, we're in for a wildass ride from now on.

 

[KiNeSiS]

Treason!
Throw this "disabled" vet in the brig!

 

[Karsticles]

So the guy that lost his eye over the lies of the republican party is voting for Mitt Romney..? Did I read this right?

Nope:

"I won't be voting for Obama. I guess you can say by him being out there hanging, it is time to get rid of him," said the man, who added that he won't be voting for Mitt Romney, either.

 

[commedieu]

What I am saying is that there is a history of hanging political leaders in effigy, there is a history of comparing political leaders to monkeys, there is a history of calling political leaders by offensive nicknames. All of these examples, the racially charged ones as well as the non-racially charged ones, lower the political debate. We should denounce all of them and not play "B-b-b-but my guy gets it worse" (while respecting freedom of speech and reveling in the fact that it allows the idiots/racists/bigots to out themselves.)

So you're letting everyone thats aware of effigies, know about effigies. There is also a history, specifically with blacks. When you have Re-Nigging as a slogan, as incorrect as it may be, it does make the record for being racist.

There is no, my guy got it worse. What it is, is the fact that it is racist as well as business as usual. But Its a lie to pretend that the 2012 obama campaign doesn't have a glaring highlight of racism. Its racist, and sure, politics. But its definitely racism paired with a fake excuse of historical politics to save face.

Nope:

Already addressed that.

I would LOVE to read this confession.

I know it can't go in the thread, though.

People confess to ronito?

 

[captmcblack]

So I guess I could say it here.

One of those confessions I got that I couldn't post was a really huge racist rant from a guy who's married to an africanamerican woman. Things said were pretty damn terrible. But dude's still married to his wife. Have no idea how that works.

I would LOVE to read this confession.

I know it can't go in the thread, though.

 

[CrazyDude]

Outrage!

 

[Steelrain]

Eh, free speech so whatever.


Glad we are free to call him a fucking moron and ignore him for his speech as well.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

So you're letting everyone thats aware of effigies, know about effigies. There is also a history, specifically with blacks. When you have Re-Nigging as a slogan, as incorrect as it may be, it does make the record for being racist.

There is no, my guy got it worse. What it is, is the fact that it is racist as well as business as usual. But Its a lie to pretend that the 2012 obama campaign doesn't have a glaring highlight of racism. Its racist, and sure, politics. But its definitely racism paired with a fake excuse of historical politics to save face.

Of course there are racial overtones to political campaigns and the various personal attacks and insults against the candidates. Did I ever say there weren't?

And are you sure "there is no, my guy got it worse?" What about, "Compare that to the hanging swinging Curious George Monkeys w/obamas shirts..."?

 

[Enzom21]

No. Everyone always tries to find the 3 images that exist of someone hanging a Bush...

Compare that to the hanging swinging Curious George Monkeys w/obamas shirts, calling Michelle Obama a wookie then factor in:

- Don't Renig in 2012
- Put the White back in White house.

None of that was around for Bush.

Careful, those straws you're grasping at are pretty thin. Everyone is aware that a minority of people make Effigies for the presidential run, unfortunately for the world today, there is a clear case of racism and related history with lynchings in Obama's case.

You tried though!

Re:Edit:



Thats like saying you know everyone is going to tell you 2+2 is 4, yet you're going to do it anyway just for ________.

Lets all remember, Bush is was a horrible person due to lying about a war that lost a lot of lives.

People were hanging Obama's before he was even president.

Don't forget this gem...

Isn't Romney mexican?

Not even remotely. His Grandfather ran to Mexico because polygamy was against the law in the US.

 

[Arthrus]

Under the First Amendment it does.

Edit: http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/43-threats-of-violence.html
A great link summarzing from "violent speech" and the first amendment.

Based on this link/the 1st amendment, the guy is within his rights to have his effigy. I learned something new today! Whatever his motivation, in my eyes he is a terrible person for putting it up.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

You and me both. I want off this crazy ass rock.

you want to kill yourself because some of the people you share this planet with are stupid?


mmmmkay

 

[Chibits12]

A war vet that does a great disservice to the nation by disguising his actual motives in the name of free speech.

 

[commedieu]

Of course there are racial overtones to political campaigns and the various personal attacks and insults against the candidates. Did I ever say there weren't?

And are you sure "there is no, my guy got it worse?" What about, "Compare that to the hanging swinging Curious George Monkeys w/obamas shirts..."?

You're pointing out the obvious then, Which Im sure most gaffers of age are aware of. Like I said earlier, you are just going over the history of known effigies and political strategy.

Specifically when discussing race relations, in the thread, I replied to someone that posted a bush image, which has the undertones of this, specific issue, not being racist. Its racist, its a racist campaign. As the combined multitude of racist imagery being shopped around by the GOP points to. It has to be that way, as to get a certain demographic voting. There was an edit later that admitted that (the post i replied to) it wasn't made to suggest that its in the same ballpark, of course. I was responding to the notion that its not racist, it is racist.

No, you're not saying much which is why I have to keep probing to find the meaning behind posts of images. I'm glad we are both aware that its racism at its finest, and that it is separate, and has no relation to the bush imagery in those specific terms.

edit:

I get where you're coming from. I've honestly just been in a shit mood for a few weeks. Lost someone close to suicide a few weeks ago. I don't want to be a dick. My posts have been coming off severely dickholeish. I'm sorry.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Racist wants to be racist. Ok.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

People who do these kinds of things to any president are just dumb. Leave them be.

 

[Dambrosi]

Same shit happened to bush.

Really? At least the guy above had the guts to show his friggin' face!

 

[xbhaskarx]

Same shit happened to bush.

Nothing but faux outrage.

I already know the responses will be "False equivalence" Etc. Pointless to argue.

http://api.ning.com/files/WftATHJyh...hNsQLMcqCvxdNQz6uZbNbEcJHiGSb8wvQ/hanging.jpg

Okay but at least no one ever compared George Bush to a chimp!

 

[ronito]

People confess to ronito?

Dunno if you're serious or not.

But either way, yes, yes they do.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474156

 

[Byakuya769]

So I guess I could say it here.

One of those confessions I got that I couldn't post was a really huge racist rant from a guy who's married to an africanamerican woman. Things said were pretty damn terrible. But dude's still married to his wife. Have no idea how that works.

Eh, slave owners would grab a piece of "monkey pussy" too. It's nothing new for someone to be racist towards an entire group, but have limited exceptions.

About any accomplished black person I know has gotten a "you know what, you're different from the others" compliment in their life.

 

[Jack_AG]

I would hope you would merely knock on the door, express your concern of how he chose to express himself, and walk out.

This is freedom of speech guys, take a deep breath. And yes, freedom of speech does cover alot of hateful things.

This man certainly showed poor judgment in expressing his displeasure with the President by choosing to hang an effigy. (I personally don't think any U.S. President should be hung in effigy, but I support the freedom of speech for others to do so).

He chose poor judgment not only on the mere act of the hanging an effigy, but also, the racial implications of such act. Though you can probably find pictures of every President hung in effigy, one must make careful considerations with the current President because the current President is African American.

Hrmph. I believe in freedom of speech, yes. But at the same time I feel this crosses some invisible line way past hate speech.

I respect the office of President. This is the country I live in so even if I disagree with the Commander In Chief - I still respect the office.

I personally don't care who is in there - you don't do this kind of thing. Even if you think America has gone to shit in the worst way possible - some reservation and respect should be shown for those in office - even if they suck.

To go against 99% of GAF here - I dislike Obama. I make no effort to hide that. I also don't like R-Money. To be fair, Obama is a better candidate by miles, but that doesn't mean I can get behind all of his policies.

But just because I happen to disagree with Obama and disagree with Romney moreso - you won't see me spewing this kind of hatred - not even close. Hell - you won't see me spewing even a small amount of hate towards R-Money the way GAF does - even though I think he's the last guy on the planet I'd vote for.

I probably wouldn't get physical with people for that effigy - but I'd sure rip that fucker out and get rid of it. Not on my block.

I'm of the mind that you can dislike, disagree and think the policies of the President are wrong - but you don't disrespect that position of office. You don't like what someone is doing? Voting takes a lot less energy and is far less stressful.

I know GAF will probably pile on me for wanting to go 3rd party and daring to say I disagree with Obama's policies but whatever. He's not getting my vote but I'll be damned if I let that kind of disrespect go without taking action.

 

[smurfx]

So I guess I could say it here.

One of those confessions I got that I couldn't post was a really huge racist rant from a guy who's married to an africanamerican woman. Things said were pretty damn terrible. But dude's still married to his wife. Have no idea how that works.

having sex with women of other races doesn't mean shit. men do that all the time yet are incredibly racist towards the men.

 

[CyclopsRock]

So the guy that lost his eye over the lies of the republican party is voting for Mitt Romney..? Did I read this right? A disabled person, who would benefit from universal healthcare that covers per-existing conditions, which Romney's wont, is voting for Mitt?

Some people's view of what's right doesn't always align with what would benefit them most. The 'mug everyone and give CyclopsRock £100 from each' party would be fandabbydozy for me, but I wouldn't vote for them (reductio ad absurdum).

 

[DanteFox]

it is a false equivalency because lynching is a thing that is attributed to slavery which, woah damn, is connected to african americans.

Still pretty stupid to do.

also,

!!!!!!!!!

problem is the effigy could be hanging because he's black or it could be hanging as a symbol for his policies. Simply saying "it's racist because other people have done it with racist intentions" proves nothing.

 

[Enzom21]

Okay but at least no one ever compared George Bush to a chimp!

So we're ignoring historical context now? Were white people called monkeys dehumanize them, were they lynched for being accused of touching a white woman, for just looking at a white woman, or to just keep them in their place?

If we are going to ignore historical context, why not start calling us niggers again... because hey, all of that bad stuff happened in the past so it's all good now right? Although according to some people here, calling black people "niggers" doesn't make you a racist.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

I guess George W isn't black, so hanging him for your lost eye wouldn't be right.

And if there was no racist tone to this, he would have seen how it could be taken as a racist action and done something else. To just charge ahead and have the excuse of 'hey just because they used to hang black people doesn't mean I don't have the right to pretend to do the same' is just insensitive and moronic. I guess he didn't burn him on a cross, so that's something.