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Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War 2 - Retribution |OT| - Last Minute WAAAAGH!
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Gully State
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FoxSpirit said:
Even though it's an expansion, it's actually a standalone game since you don't need either two predecessors to play. You can play as all races. The only thing you miss out on is GFWL (which sucks) and the singleplayer campaigns from DOW2 (ok) and Chaos Rising (good).
Gully State
Member
Draft said:
Speaking of CE, I feel as though they missed out in this case. They could've charged way more if they included figurines. The poster/cards and a box feels like a cop out..
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Gully State said:
No excuse for not including a miniature, a trainee sculpt of the box art inquisitor and 10-15k set aside for the mould and a couple of tons of white metal = A bonanza in sales from all the citadel collectors. (like me)
Gully State
Member
Draft said:
I dunno...I feel as though the CE in this case was barebones at best. And seeing as how the exclusive items can all be had via Steam for $5, the appeal for what amounts to be posters and cards is lost on me especially given how awesome Warhammer figurines looks.
Gully State
Member
Draft said:
haha...not trying to make you feel bad about your purchase...I honestly thought about buying the CE too and would pay a lot more for it if they included more tangible stuff but alas.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Draft said:
Could be worse, you could have payed full whack for the collectors edition for Warhammer online. i think that tanked in price a month after release as everyone realised the game was a pile of shit.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
Totally forgot I pre-loaded this. Thanks GAF!
fizzelopeguss
Banned
I've got a CE of neverwinter nights 2 somewhere, i mean...why the fuck would anyone want to buy one of those? :/
jhawk6 said:
- Imperial Guard hero for Last Stand
- New map with different layout (can't just kite enemies in a circle) and very different waves of enemies. (ork wartruk/ assault marines etc..)
- it's also starts off way harder, if you're starting out with the Lord General character expect to die in first couple of waves.
- There's 6 or so Steam achievements for Last Stand
Gully State said:
I will, but most likely after doing a bunch of campaign/last stand.
Gully State
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Philthy
Member
LOVING this game now!
They aren't kidding about the small elite hero squad or massive army. The mechanics are really changed around, and I didn't know what to think of it at first. When you opt to not take a hero into a mission, you're able to requisition more squads into the mission. For example, the last mission I did, the only hero I took was my space marine captain, because he is a requirement. The other 3 I chose their alternates. I was marching across the map with 4 terminator squads (One squad upgraded to lightning claws), and two dreadnaughts (One dread upgraded to autocanon), and a devastator squad (upgraded to las canon) and my hero. They were death incarnate. I have never had so much FUN.
You really don't get to see the plus side of the new mechanics until about 4-5 missions in. (~3 hrs or so?)
LOVE IT. Can't wait to play all the single player campaigns. You can get some massive sized armies going depending what troops you requisition. Terminators are sort of expensive, but if I went for normal Tact space marine squads I could have had maybe eight of those compared to the four terminator squads? Amazing.
One issue is that it only seems to show up to 9 squads. When you have 12 or more, you really don't see any icons or anything for them. So I'm not sure how to select them or get to them.
They aren't kidding about the small elite hero squad or massive army. The mechanics are really changed around, and I didn't know what to think of it at first. When you opt to not take a hero into a mission, you're able to requisition more squads into the mission. For example, the last mission I did, the only hero I took was my space marine captain, because he is a requirement. The other 3 I chose their alternates. I was marching across the map with 4 terminator squads (One squad upgraded to lightning claws), and two dreadnaughts (One dread upgraded to autocanon), and a devastator squad (upgraded to las canon) and my hero. They were death incarnate. I have never had so much FUN.
You really don't get to see the plus side of the new mechanics until about 4-5 missions in. (~3 hrs or so?)
LOVE IT. Can't wait to play all the single player campaigns. You can get some massive sized armies going depending what troops you requisition. Terminators are sort of expensive, but if I went for normal Tact space marine squads I could have had maybe eight of those compared to the four terminator squads? Amazing.
One issue is that it only seems to show up to 9 squads. When you have 12 or more, you really don't see any icons or anything for them. So I'm not sure how to select them or get to them.
bonesmccoy
Banned
2 missions in as Imperial Guard. I'm playing on the normal setting, and I'm already detecting a bit more difficulty than in previous DOW2 titles. I had read that the game felt easy in one review, which makes me wonder if the reviewer simply did the Space Marines campaign and ignore the other races.
I really like not having to manually enter skill points, and just choosing one new power after each level up.
I really like not having to manually enter skill points, and just choosing one new power after each level up.
Played a few hours of the Imperial guard campaign on hard. Seems quite a bit harder than the previous campaigns on the same setting, but that could just be because Space Marines are generally OP in W40k 
I really enjoy the mechanics so far, it's a step towards integrating more traditional RTS gameplay into the framework set by the other DoW2 games.
I really enjoy the mechanics so far, it's a step towards integrating more traditional RTS gameplay into the framework set by the other DoW2 games.
You get some sweet starting gear with the DLC. I picked up the DLC pack for $4.99 since it is cheap and I don't mind showing Relic some more love. I put so many hours into the Dawn of War games it is a small price to pay to help do my part to see them keep coming.
This sounds so amazing yet I can't play until I am home later tonight. I played a couple missions as the Eldar in Co Op last night and it was a good time. I liked the new mechanics of being able to bring in troops with your heroes. The mechanic sounds much more in depth than I had anticipated. Replay ability is going to be great!
Philthy said:
This sounds so amazing yet I can't play until I am home later tonight. I played a couple missions as the Eldar in Co Op last night and it was a good time. I liked the new mechanics of being able to bring in troops with your heroes. The mechanic sounds much more in depth than I had anticipated. Replay ability is going to be great!
It put up a good fight, but the new Last Stand map succumbed to the inevitable.
Glad to have that monkey off my back.
Glad to have that monkey off my back.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
I like that thsi game is CoH+DoW. One question though: how do I get a unit to follow another one? In CoH it was shift+something and a little chain icon would be above their head to show they were on follow.
I also wish it showed your groups on the side like CoH.
And this was also a problem in CoH, but I wish I could have units in more than 1 group. Like split melee/ranged/casters to 1/2/3 and then also have an 'all units' grouped to 4. Company of Heroes had little lists of all groups and their unit icons and squad count. It even had a null group that showed all your unbound units. Basically, I like the direction the game has gone, but I'm having a hard time managing my squads.
I also wish it showed your groups on the side like CoH.
And this was also a problem in CoH, but I wish I could have units in more than 1 group. Like split melee/ranged/casters to 1/2/3 and then also have an 'all units' grouped to 4. Company of Heroes had little lists of all groups and their unit icons and squad count. It even had a null group that showed all your unbound units. Basically, I like the direction the game has gone, but I'm having a hard time managing my squads.
Durante said:Played a few hours of the Imperial guard campaign on hard. Seems quite a bit harder than the previous campaigns on the same setting, but that could just be because Space Marines are generally OP in W40k
You're using a bunch of flashlight-toting, weak willed (but loyal and proud) men and women compared to the augmentations and power armored SM!
HeadlessRoland
Banned
A very underwhelming SP campaign. Each is short and seems to mirror the other races beyond dialog. There is also a fuckton of "loading" when initiating and leaving a map a good minute or two.
Just finished the IG campaign and this officially has my favorite single player/coop gameplay of the DoW2 series. All the changes they made are for the better, the mission design is fantastic and *finally* the bosses are actually fun to fight and not an exercise in wall punching aggravation.
Onwards to the Orks!
Onwards to the Orks!
Philthy
Member
3 Dreads. Melee, Twin Linked Las Canon, Assault Canon. 3 Terminator squads, Melee with Lightning Claws and Assault Canons. My captain with the power axe+armor that heals, and the Ancient with armor that gives extra health to those around him and a plasma canon that spits out massive balls of death that one shots almost everything.
I tried a Predator tank last night, and those things blow up quicker than a guardsman. Not sure they tested vehicles properly before release. These things are really expensive, and should be able to withstand a ton of damage comparable to a dread at the very least.
I tried a Predator tank last night, and those things blow up quicker than a guardsman. Not sure they tested vehicles properly before release. These things are really expensive, and should be able to withstand a ton of damage comparable to a dread at the very least.
slidewinder
Banned
Yeah, I just finished IG on normal, and had a lot of fun. The one bummer was thatSinatar said:
they wouldn't let me build more than one Baneblade for the final fight :lol
Gonna try Chaos (with preorder bonus gear) on hard mixed up with some light MP next.
Are you sure it didn't just get focused by some AV? IG vehicles seemed pretty tough in general although they do melt quickly under the right kind of fire.Philthy said:
bonesmccoy
Banned
slidewinder said:
Anti-vehicle weaponry feels *really* potent now, to the point where you have to actively engage those guys with your infantry if your going to do a mixed arms attack. It's a change I appreciate.
Gully State
Member
Fëanor said:
Patch 3.12 is Live- a bunch of optimizations
Gully State
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bonesmccoy said:
This is probably due to the introduction of superunits like the baneblade. If they didn't increase these values, those units would even be more unstoppable.
A More In Depth Review by Rock Paper Shotgun
Do I need to open ports for multiplayer as it's taking forever to find a game on either map in Last Stand, not sure if the issue is due to Steam being down a few minutes ago.
Edit: Been trying to find a game for almost 30minutes now, is it really so hard for a game to match 3 people together.
Edit: Been trying to find a game for almost 30minutes now, is it really so hard for a game to match 3 people together.
The new Last Stand map is actually easier than the original one, even though it starts out a lot harder. The lack of clones makes all sorts of zany builds viable, and makes it possible to use stuff like the Captain's revive item or a Ravener with Searing without ensuring that your teammates are going to hate your guts by the end of the round.
Though they really ought to make the Colosseum the default map choice. My heart breaks a little every time I see a level 1 Lord General with the boltgun in the team line-up. Poor bastard's gonna be spending the entire round dead.
Though they really ought to make the Colosseum the default map choice. My heart breaks a little every time I see a level 1 Lord General with the boltgun in the team line-up. Poor bastard's gonna be spending the entire round dead.
The Lord General is a lot more fun to use now that I have him at level 7. Finally can start deploying units and turrets.
Played about an hour of The Last Stan earlier today and had an Ork team mate who never was tactical in deploying his ROKS ultimate attack. He constantly kept on taking out me, my turret, or my units! I wish I could save video because one of the funniest moments when I was taken out by ROKS happened by accident. The ork called Roks and I decided I was getting the heck out of dodge. So I'm running out of the splash damage area and my other teammate who is also a Lord General decides to deploy troops. Well as you know if you deploy troops on top of a character the impact knocks a person back. He deployed perfectly right in front of me and my Lord General got knocked back right into the heart of the ROKS attack! It was hilarious and frustrating at the same time!
Played about an hour of The Last Stan earlier today and had an Ork team mate who never was tactical in deploying his ROKS ultimate attack. He constantly kept on taking out me, my turret, or my units! I wish I could save video because one of the funniest moments when I was taken out by ROKS happened by accident. The ork called Roks and I decided I was getting the heck out of dodge. So I'm running out of the splash damage area and my other teammate who is also a Lord General decides to deploy troops. Well as you know if you deploy troops on top of a character the impact knocks a person back. He deployed perfectly right in front of me and my Lord General got knocked back right into the heart of the ROKS attack! It was hilarious and frustrating at the same time!
The Lord General is a lot of fun, but he seems awfully glitchy. His Bolter does next to no damage, his Grenade Launcher says it causes knockback but doesn't actually seem to do so in practice, and one of his heavy turrets often causes no damage whatsoever and damages the ground with every shot, which makes the game really laggy and often causes people with slower computers to lag out entirely. Worst of all though is his retreat ability, which sometimes cancels itself when the Lord General gets hit. So basically anytime you're retreating from something as opposed to just retreating because you enjoy the concept of being able to retreat you've only got about a 50/50 shot of actually having it work.
Amusingly, though, he usually defaults to attempting to melee the enemy that attacked him, leading to a scene of your General running away until he decides that actually, on second thought, he would much rather engage in a boxing match with that Carnifex that just took a swing at him.
It's actually kind of a cute way to die.
Amusingly, though, he usually defaults to attempting to melee the enemy that attacked him, leading to a scene of your General running away until he decides that actually, on second thought, he would much rather engage in a boxing match with that Carnifex that just took a swing at him.
It's actually kind of a cute way to die.
Gully State
Member
Played an amusing 3v3 match last night where our team was losing basically 2:1 on the ticket count for about 80% of the match (I'd post a replay but it's an absolute noobfest especially by me as a space marine). The whole match consisted of our team basically getting dominated (in both power and VP). I spent the whole match getting owned by the other space marine player in my lane with my only saving grace being that I managed to consistently retreat and escape with minimal losses while having a squad always managing to get behind the enemy to back cap his stuff(it was seriously demoralizing losing every skirmish- my micro is horrible). Eventually I made my way up to the the 3rd tier tech tree and by some miracle had enough resources to build the land raider redeemer. Pushed out with it with my army and caught him completely off guard. I pretty much decimated a good chunk of his army repeatedly and took back our VP's to bring the score close to even (parked it on the top VP point on Arena on their side and he for some reason decided to charge directly into that ramp and my Land Raider Redeemer which is a bit of a choke point). 10 min later, despite his team still having a marginal lead, he proceeds to call me cheap for building a "superunit" (his teammate had a baneblade out) and ragequits which pretty much gave us the game.
I really wish I was better at this game though as I make so many stupid mistakes in a given match.
I really wish I was better at this game though as I make so many stupid mistakes in a given match.
Sounds awesome. Did you save the replay?Gully State said:
I'm avoiding multiplayer, until I have a machine which can run 3v3 or 4v4 at 1080p 60fps, which should be within the month. I fully expect to get my ass destroyed when I finally jump into the fray.
Gully State
Member
K.Jack said:
I did but I don't want to post it since I did so many stupid things that match (like sending units to battle before they finish capping a point- my reaction is just too damn slow). I wouldn't worry about needing it to run at 60 FPS since once the battles get hectic, the framerate is going to nosedive no matter what. My friend plays this game on an 8800GTS+core 2 duo and despite the performance penalties, he still out micro/macros most players (carries our team) Also there's no 4v4 for multiplayer. It only goes up to 3v3.
BTW, since this is your OP, can I suggest a few links to put up?
For videocasts, this guy is probably the best and most informative one in the community.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarlequinCasts
The reviews are starting to trickle in but the ones I think have been most informative are the PC Gamer one and the RockPaperShotgun one (though it has no score).
In terms of community, there's a project L2P steam group which I've heard is a mentor/mentee program worth checking out as the learning curve is a bit on the steep end for this game.
I wish there was a website where all the unit stats/abilities/upgrade trees existed (something that relic ideally should've done).
Kinda want to pick this up but not sure how it'll run on my machine. Is there a demo available? Didn't see one on steam and would like to buy it there, but D2D sent me a 15% off code...
Decisions..
oh, I NEVER play these online...just skirmish really, and if I get really bored campaign.
Decisions..
oh, I NEVER play these online...just skirmish really, and if I get really bored campaign.