Hot Coldman
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I hope you're watching Young Justice.
Warner Bros. approach Ben Affleck for 'Justice League'
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I hope you're watching Young Justice.
StalkerUKCG
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I really want Captain Marvel but i figure he is to close to superman in terms of powers to be included.
Shame Black Adam could be a great Bad guy for the first movie with Darkside and Sinestro as the bad guys for the second movie
Shame Black Adam could be a great Bad guy for the first movie with Darkside and Sinestro as the bad guys for the second movie
Ninja Scooter
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but what about the new 52? They are more likely to use Cyborg and Aquamn.
If they put in Martian Manhunter then I demand Hawkgirl.
I could see the JL movie being more of a superman sequel with Supes and Bats being the main characters and the rest of the team being more complementary. That way they don't have toget too indepth on origins and back stories for WW, Flash, Aquaman, ect...as it would be hard to fit all that in, and I'm not sure they could carry their own movies.
Acrylic7
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Thats what I was thinking, but they do want that Avengers Money. It just cant be about Superman and Bats.
Like I said before, their best shot is to introduce some of the lesser know characters within a Supes, Bats, Flash, Wonder Women Movie. Just like Hawkeye was shown in Thor and Widow in IronMan.
The X-Men route, in other words. That can work, but it's difficult. I'd rather have a proper ensemble, personally.
But he's directing.
I loved his performance in Hollywoodland.
Ninja Scooter
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Sure they can IMO. Superman and Batman are the two biggest superheroes in the world. They can treat the rest of the team like secondary characters and basically have a short cut to what Marvel did with Avengers. It might not make as much money but if done right it can still make bank and give DC a bunch of extra characters to sell action figures and backpacks of to the kids. You can't just assume that any company can do what Marvel has done with Avengers. If they do a Flash and Wonder Woman movie first and they do Green Lantern business then the whole thing falls flat on its face. I can understand why they would prefer to go straight to JLA. Definitely playing it safer but that doesn't mean it can't be good.
Yeah I rather not have 3-4 different origins movies just to set up the JL movie. Yes Avengers itself is good but the individual movies were rather mediocre. Do it as a one shot JL movie. Forget introducing Batman and Superman again. 15-20 minute exposition in the beginning can set up the world right off the bat.
But IMO that is what needs to happen. There has to be something to differentiate the two superhero camps. They can't copy Marvel's look, tone, and or characterization down to the last detail. They have to do their own unique thing (as unique as possible in this realm).
Not this again. If talented director can make a good-great movie and as long as he wants to, its not a waste of talent. Its the exact opposite. Its a use of his talent.
Slightly off topic, I would rather Affleck take over the Batman series after Nolan. The Town and GBG have a great feel to them that would translate over to Batman if they want to keep it in the same vein as the Nolan movies. And also because I am selfish and I just want more quality Batman movies rather than superhero team up movies. YES Batman exists in in the JL universe but I want my Batman on his own in the movies.
To me the hardest part would be establishing Batman in the same universe as aliens/superpowers when all 7 of the Batman movies have avoided introducing those elements, minus the supernatural Catwoman from Batman Returns.
Phoenician_Viking
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WB is jealous of DAT Avengers money.
Wasn't Aronofsky the closest that got to directing Man Of Steel?
MrPink93485
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Think you're confusing that with The Wolverine, which he was attached to direct
No, Aronofsky was also offered Man of Steel, though I don't know if he was closer to getting it than anyone else on the list.
Phoenician_Viking
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But JL characters does not have the same charisma or character interaction as the Avengers. The only one who is fun is the Flash.
MrPink93485
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I must have completely forgotten about that then.
The JLA can be just as fun with a good writer. That's not how WB is proceeding, though.
Phoenician_Viking
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Would that not be against the JL´s personalities? I mean seriously can you see Batman making a joke about women or superman having dirty thought? The original´s cast personalities are very serious from what i know about them (except The Flash). But i don´t think that would matter much as the movie is fun i guess.
Again they don't have to copy and be exactly the same as the Avengers. We already have Avengers and now will have Avengers 2. I'd rather WB try to do something a little different.
Again, it's all in how you write it. There are storylines in the JLA comics that are great fun, and play against the stuff you're talking about. Green Lantern and Flash making jokes about how serious Batman is all the time, for example.
It's all about which characters(and versions of characters) they use, and the tone that the script sets. Again, this doesn't matter, since we're headed for emo JLA anyway.
How do you know this?
We had a thread about the current script not too long ago.
What is there to know other than that it's being written? I know Mark Millar said he heard from a friend of a friend of a guy he knows that it's going to be gritty and serious and dark and real...but that's from Mark Millar. There's zero reason to believe him, unless we're still getting that 8 hour Superman trilogy from an A-list director.
Ninja Scooter
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Hamm is too old for batman. Remember they are going to want to kickstart a new Batman franchise out of this. They will probably want someone younger that can appeal to kids. They should just cast Gina Carano as WW, give her as few speaking lines as possible and make her this movies Hulk. Just have scenes of her wrecking shit and fight scenes. Hard to think of an actress that is physically imposing enough to pull it off otherwise .
They hired Beall to write it and they're looking at Affleck to direct it. You honestly see a light hearted JLA in our future based on that?
I guess at some point I should see that...
but no. I want it to be very un-Avengers-like.
BlackGoku03
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I'm not sure Ben could handle this type of movie. I'm also doubtful he'd capture the essence of JLA.
More than that, I can't see him as any of the characters in JLA. None. He'd be awkward as any of them. Even the martian.
More than that, I can't see him as any of the characters in JLA. None. He'd be awkward as any of them. Even the martian.
So? Avengers isn't light-hearted either; there's stakes, there's drama, there's a guy getting pierced through the chest. Fun =/= lighthearted just as grounded =/= grimdark.
These are all pretty pointless labels that never really apply to the film as a whole anyway.
With the exception of the characters named, nothing you described in your post doesn't fit the Avengers.
BlackGoku03
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They should do a Cadmus movie. That'd be awesome.
I don't agree with John Hamm. And if they don't want the GL movie to be a complete waste, they should keep Ryan as GL.
I don't agree with John Hamm. And if they don't want the GL movie to be a complete waste, they should keep Ryan as GL.
Let's put Nolan's Batman movies on one end of a scale and Whedon's The Avengers on the other. I'm not speaking to quality right now, just tone. Based on the info we have, it looks like JLA is tipping towards the Nolan side of the scale, just like Man of Steel.
Buddha Beam
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It would be really difficult to make a movie and introduce 5 new/unknown characters (assuming Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and probably Cyborg).
If it were my call, I would just do a Trinity movie first. Use the Man of Steel Superman, and introduce Wonder Woman and either the new reboot Batman or the
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After that, go all out in the sequel and introduce the rest of the Justice League cast.
Ok so this is stupid. A friend of a friend who doesn't really care about the characters or comics but is obsessed with all things Whedon posted something about how stupid WB would to hand the movie over to Affleck.
Of course I chimed in with my opinion and now I am getting attacked from this friend and others who apparently think Whedon is a god, Marvel trusted him the franchise because of his track record, and that Affleck is a terrible failure as an actor and director. I don't even know how I got involved in some sort of Whedon flame war.
Anyway was Whedon Marvel's first and only choice?
Right but you are implying that just because it might lean towards Nolan's side of the scale that i will affect the quality of fun.
And that is a very subjective way of defining fun. Both styles and tones can be really fun, just as long as they are made well.
Avengers translated well world wide because its just one big spectacle. Special effects and one liners. Its not heavy on story and that works really well in foreign markets. So if all WB is aspiring to do than yeah they should work towards that level of "fun". But personally I would hate for WB/DC to just try to copy and mimic Avengers down to the tone and style. Its not like people don't enjoy Nolan's version of fun or that they won't pack the theaters for the new Superman movie.
Of course I chimed in with my opinion and now I am getting attacked from this friend and others who apparently think Whedon is a god, Marvel trusted him the franchise because of his track record, and that Affleck is a terrible failure as an actor and director. I don't even know how I got involved in some sort of Whedon flame war.
Anyway was Whedon Marvel's first and only choice?
Right but you are implying that just because it might lean towards Nolan's side of the scale that i will affect the quality of fun.
And that is a very subjective way of defining fun. Both styles and tones can be really fun, just as long as they are made well.
Avengers translated well world wide because its just one big spectacle. Special effects and one liners. Its not heavy on story and that works really well in foreign markets. So if all WB is aspiring to do than yeah they should work towards that level of "fun". But personally I would hate for WB/DC to just try to copy and mimic Avengers down to the tone and style. Its not like people don't enjoy Nolan's version of fun or that they won't pack the theaters for the new Superman movie.
Don't know about that, but he was at the top of their list.
The Mana Legend
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Da fuq is this shit?
Right but was Whedon the sure fire no risk choice? I mean even on GAF no one was quick to praise the choice and claim it would work, or work as well as it did. The people I am arguing with (I don't even know why) make it sound like Marvel trusted their more cherished property to Whedon because of his awesome track record.
Eh...maybe? They hired him because they trusted his sensibilities were the best fit for something like the Avengers and weren't concerned about his inexperience with blockbuster filmmaking (or any kind of feature filmmaking for that matter).
Does that answer your question? :lol
After the first Iron Man movie, Marvel wanted Favreau to do The Avengers, but Favreau signed on as a producer instead. Zak Penn also wrote the first draft of The Avengers (which Whedon tossed entirely), so I don't know how long in advance Marvel had Whedon in mind for it:
I don't think Justice League needs several movies to set it up.
Batman is the most successful live action superhero. Superman is still the most iconic. The only one who comes close to comparing to them is Spider-Man. They just need to hope Man of Steel is great, reboot Batman well, then launch right into their team-up.
Avengers needed an individual set up because everyone, aside from Hulk, was an unknown essentially. And let's be frank here, outside of Iron Man (the second was shit), all of the movies were either mediocre or pure crap. Of course, the pay-off in Avengers being a great movie was worth it. But, for Marvel, it was also kind of necessary.
Why would we want to sit through another rush job of individual movies to finally get something good?
All Warner needs to do is set up Superman and Batman.
Batman alone is a billion dollar man. Team him up with a successful new vision of Superman, and that movie alone will make mad money. They don't need to worry on that end. If anything, they could get away with having the first movie purely focus on Superman/Batman, then lead to the full Justice League with the second.
That's what I would do.
Man of Steel.
Batman Reboot
Man of Steel 2
Superman/Batman team-up.
This establishes the DC Universe comfortably.
Then:
Flash movie
Wonder Woman movie
Green Lantern reboot.
Finally, Justice League.
If it's money they're after, they don't need to rush. Superman/Batman will do that as long as they don't cock them up. Better they get those two right, then try some poor, rushed set-up that sets them back straight away.
Batman is the most successful live action superhero. Superman is still the most iconic. The only one who comes close to comparing to them is Spider-Man. They just need to hope Man of Steel is great, reboot Batman well, then launch right into their team-up.
Avengers needed an individual set up because everyone, aside from Hulk, was an unknown essentially. And let's be frank here, outside of Iron Man (the second was shit), all of the movies were either mediocre or pure crap. Of course, the pay-off in Avengers being a great movie was worth it. But, for Marvel, it was also kind of necessary.
Why would we want to sit through another rush job of individual movies to finally get something good?
All Warner needs to do is set up Superman and Batman.
Batman alone is a billion dollar man. Team him up with a successful new vision of Superman, and that movie alone will make mad money. They don't need to worry on that end. If anything, they could get away with having the first movie purely focus on Superman/Batman, then lead to the full Justice League with the second.
That's what I would do.
Man of Steel.
Batman Reboot
Man of Steel 2
Superman/Batman team-up.
This establishes the DC Universe comfortably.
Then:
Flash movie
Wonder Woman movie
Green Lantern reboot.
Finally, Justice League.
If it's money they're after, they don't need to rush. Superman/Batman will do that as long as they don't cock them up. Better they get those two right, then try some poor, rushed set-up that sets them back straight away.
Yeah thanks guys!
Its stupid anyway. Its people acting now like Whedon was a sure fire choice from the start. My whole point was that Whedon was not the greatest director in the world and they didn't pick him because they thought he was. And the Affleck as a director with only two movies under his belt has shown tremendous promise. So him doing the JL movie would be a good thing.
I don't even think they need to restart Batman as a separate entity for JL to work. In fact since WB will probably want the next Batman series/trilogy to be treated as close as to Nolan's version, I think they should introduce JL with Batman in it without any extra movie to set up Batman. Sit on individual Batman movies until after they make JL. If JL does well and they want to make a sequel then sit on it even more.
No rush to get the next Batman out when they just successfully finished a trilogy. I know this won't happen but I would prefer this so much. It would also avoid the whole mixing of the universes problem. This way when they do restart Batman, he can remain in his own Gotham in his own world.
MisterNugNug
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Superman- Cavill
Batman- Armie Hammer
Wonder Woman (new 52 uniform)- Erin Cummings
Flash- Bradley Cooper
Green Lantern (Stewart)-Idris Elba (OR) GL - Ryan Reynolds
J'onn- Lance Reddick
First film villain would be Mack Strong as Sinestro.
Second film villains would be OMAC/Brother MK & Braniac
Third film villains would be Lex Luthor and Legion of Doom.
Batman- Armie Hammer
Wonder Woman (new 52 uniform)- Erin Cummings
Flash- Bradley Cooper
Green Lantern (Stewart)-Idris Elba (OR) GL - Ryan Reynolds
J'onn- Lance Reddick
First film villain would be Mack Strong as Sinestro.
Second film villains would be OMAC/Brother MK & Braniac
Third film villains would be Lex Luthor and Legion of Doom.
I would think new Batman needs to make an appearance somewhere in a significant way.
Jumping right into a Superman/Batman team-up would cause a lot of confusion and take away from the movie if the audience doesn't know it's not the Bruce/Batman from Nolan. They need to get away from that vision, but create something else compelling.
To me, a JL without Batman is pointless. And even before JL, a Batman/Superman team-up is much bigger. Heck, I'd say that would be about as big as superhero movie will get if it's done right.
The reason I'd want a separate Batman is just so that Man of Steel 2/Batman reboot can lead into the team-up movie naturally. They can be standalone but also lay the foundation of their team-up movie. It leaves less heavy lifting for the movie itself and it can focus more on evolving them as characters rather than creating from the ground up. People need to create a connection with the characters first (more importantly, the new Batman/Bruce).
And after how massive the recent Batman is, a new Batman the audience doesn't know could easily be a huge flop if just introduced haphazardly in a team-up movie. It will clash with what they expect of a "realistic" Batman. Best to get that out of the way by giving them a new vision. Of course, if the reboot isn't well thought out, and does poorly, it'll be a huge failure. But I think there's enough room for a new vision of Batman which captures a mix of the comic/gritty feel. If there's one good thing, it's that Batman's mythos is quite adaptable.
No Aquaman? :'(
MisterNugNug
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I figure that cast would be enough for a first film then you could introduce other members in subsequent films. That's a lot of characters to squeeze into a film, especially given that half of that roster doesn't have an introductory film or film series to jump off of.
Aquaman - Lee Pace
Zatanna - Olivia Wilde
Hawkgirl - Michelle Monaghan
Understandable. I do think that DC has decided that 7 is the default number of members for the League, but I do agree that that is a lot of characters. Especially when you add in the villain and any supporting characters.
MisterNugNug
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It is a lot to handle, especially if we're talking about something like a 2 hour movie. If it had to be 7 members starting off, I don't know if I'd add Aquaman either, I'd probably want to add in another female member of the League just to give some more variety.
And I don't know who has the task but trying to plan out a trilogy of films or whatever is going to be a nightmare. And you wouldn't want to keep every villain or threat in each film be something extraterrestrial. That can get a little boring, I mean the Avengers are going to have its first two films have villains from another world.
So if I was going to plot out the first couple of Justice League movies; I'd go Sinestro Corp for the first film. Then have Batman build OMAC/Watchtower/Brother Satellites at the conclusion of the film because he's worried about future threats to the planet.
Second film would have Lex Luthor (Jon Hamm) hijack OMAC and use that to attack the League while also incorporating elements of The Tower of Babel storyline. Continuing with the idea that Batman is concerned about future threats to the planet he also creates contingency plans against every member of the league; Luthor seizes the plans and attacks the League. The finale of the film would have the OMAC/Brother Satellites destroyed and crashing into the ocean worldwide. Batman is also voted out of the league. You could close the second film with Aquaman assaulting the UN in retaliation for the destruction of marine life and Atlantis (because of the debris from OMAC) and use that as a cliffhanger.
Third film would be resolving the Aquaman crisis. While Braniac monitors the situation and decides to attack when the League is vulnerable.
I would not be opposed to this.
That would work. I'll admit to being biased because Aquaman is one of my favorite league members, but if anything, I'd have Cyborg/MM lose the seventh spot if we had to add another female member (Zatanna)
Were I in charge, I'd do it like this: Start with Superman. The world is freaking out because of all these super folk that have been popping up pretty much back to back, and Clark Kent has been interviewing people and really getting a feel of just how scared the citizens are getting. Have Glorious Godfrey as some radio pundit decrying all these new super people to really drive it home. Superman himself buys into the hype a little, and decides to figure out just what is up with some these super folk, eventually meeting Batman and Wonder Woman, who were both recently involved in pretty public and messy altercations with enemies whose source is currently unknown. The three receive a mental message fron J'onn/ Meanwhile, Flash and GL are working a case and bump into Aquaman. Their case leads them to the villains of the movie: an invasion by the White Maritans. Then a series of events happens that leads to the JL fighting off the White Martians. The movie ends with the League receiving medals from the President and Superman making a speech about they have no intentions of being a harm to anyone and only wanting to help.
In the second movie...actually I like the OMAC idea. Have the movie start with the League welcoming their newest member, Zatanna. It's been about two years since the JL started, and they've just finished setting up their headquarters in the Hall of Justice (they also have a secret headquarters in the Watchtower). Have Godfrey still doing his Anti-League campaign, and the governments of the world trying to figure out how to deal with the JL and all these other superheroes popping up. Movie ends with Batman being expelled like you said. After credits scene reveals Godfrey's true nature: an emissary of Darkseid.
Third movie, shit hits the fan. Darkseid believes the key to the Anti-Life Equation is on Earth, so he is gearing up to roll in and take us out. Movie starts with Green Arrow joining the team, along with Black Canary. The Justice League is still feeling the heat from the whole OMAC thing, and the realization of their secret base in space. The people are afraid, governments are nervous, and Godfrey uses this to twist the public to his (secretly Darkseid's) ends. Movie ends with the original seven teaming up to take on Darkseid (who at some point earlier in the movie, beats the shit out of Superman) and saving the world.
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