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[HK-47]

I wonder if there's any overlap between the pixel purist camp and the Bioware romance crowd. Because the idea that there is a subset of people out there crossing their fingers for the announcement that Wasteland 2 will be a 2D dating sim is simply delightful.

it horrifies me.

 

[Sinatar]

13k till it hits the goal and is officially happening in some capacity or another.

Pretty crazy to think that when I wake up tomorrow, Wasteland 2, a game I never ever dreamed I'd see, is going to actually be a reality.

Wow.

 

[BlueTsunami]

there's no need to appease any market. they should just do whatever they think services the game the best. 2D/2.5D/3D. etc

fuck yeah.

How good does that still look?! dogmeat!!!

Now here's Titan Quest

Diablo III

I'd say Fallout 1 and 2 aged nicely

 

[Sentenza]

there's no need to appease any market. they should just do whatever they think services the game the best. 2D/2.5D/3D. etc

It isn't about appeasing any market, in fact.
It's all about squeezing out the best possible visuals in the most cost-effective way.

I'm not sure how people can actually think that going with 2D hand-drawn sprites could achieve that result.
They would need some damn talented artists and a shitload of work, and even in that case most likely renouncing to a lot of optional cosmetic stuff like characters' customization or equip visible over the character models.
And the result should ideally manage to scale well on different resolutions.

There are really a dozen of reasons making 3D assets more cost-effective.

I'd say Fallout 1 and 2 aged nicely

I love both Fallout 1 and 2 to death, but I would say that they weren't that pretty even at their launch date, actually.

 

[bhlaab]

Lol wat ? 2D is way more cheapjer than 3d. You are all trolled by japanese fighting games developers.

Cost of making fallout1 was3mln dollars and back then and 2D 256colour was super high tec.

Drawing/rendering a billion different sprites for every different set of armor for both genders for any number of races for any number of customizable looks, for 4-8 directions. And all of those need frames for idling, walking, running, punching, kicking, stabbing, swinging, shooting...
Oh wait, someone just said "wouldn't it be cool if we had grenades?" time to make another 800 sprites for "throwing"

OR using the magical power of 3D acceleration, make one skeleton that does all of those animations which you only need to rig up once because it can rotate in realtime and attach an infinite amount of skins onto it.

 

[Emitan]

When did Titan Quest come out? 2004? Still looks great!

Fake edit: 2006

 

[Wiktor]

Lol wat ? 2D is way more cheapjer than 3d. You are all trolled by japanese fighting games developers.
.

THat might have been true a long time ago, but nowadays 3D is usually a lot cheaper to make, especially for a project with big world

 

[Wiktor]

I love both Fallout 1 and 2 to death, but I would say that they weren't that pretty even at their launch date, actually.

Pretty? No, but with when those tiles and sprites are squeezed into high res with mods it actually looks pretty damn nice.

 

[nubbe]

We need a kickstart for Titan Quest 2

 

[Emitan]

We need a kickstart for Titan Quest 2

http://www.grimdawn.com/contribute_buynow01.php


Here ya go!

 

[Wiktor]

Yes, after many games, and with a not-exactly-groundbreaking improvement.
Also, it was also one of his most criticized games for being somehow "dumbed down" compared to the previous titles.
And now with the new Avernum he already started to recycle the same assets once again.

Yep. THat's a shame. But I enjoyed Avadon after years of staying away from Spiderbweb games and I will now skip his next few games to not destroy this good feeling.

When it comes to indie RPGs Eschalon is the one that needs far more loving.

 

[nubbe]

http://www.grimdawn.com/contribute_buynow01.php


Here ya go!

omgbbq!

 

[ixix]

Wasteland 2: Can love blossom in the Wasteland? |OT|

The more I think about it the better the idea sounds. Switching to a dating sim format even solves the persnickety $2,500 donation tier issue. Forget the blood sausage figure, they just do something like this:

Pledge $1,000 or more
Become an NPC in Wasteland 2!

Pledge $2,500 or more
Your in-game personification is now fuckable!

And then they watch the money roll in 2.5 grand at a time.

And for those intrepid souls who donate $10,000? Well, you can probably imagine what their shrine will be dedicated to.

And just imagine what you'll be able to do with their statue.

it horrifies me.

Embrace the future. Too long have the fat cats denied us the fixed-resolution post-apocalyptic romance that is our due. It is only with the advent of grassroots video game funding that we can throw off the publisher-imposed shackles under which we have labored for far too long. Grognard-y RPGs with their stats and persistent world states are yesterday's news, mere antediluvian relics of an era long dead and mourned by few.

Welcome to the world of tomorrow.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I love both Fallout 1 and 2 to death, but I would say that they weren't that pretty even at their launch date, actually.

I actually love the look of it, even now. Though I only discovered the game in the early 2000's. There's something about the gritty look and the game world looks believable to me. Where as, in many 3D games, I feel as though many things are not as naturally placed and cohesive as Fallout 1 and 2. This isn't an inherent problem with 3D games though, I know this.

Also here's a high res image of Fallout 2...

 

[The_Player]

Also here's a high res image of Fallout 2...

You won't dare to! YOU WON'T DARE TO! I have a fucking work to do.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

wow, it's been a while since I looked up the grimdawn progress. those latest screenshots are awesome.


edit: and yeah I agree with bluetsunami. fallouts look fantastic even today. love the style. maybe the colour downscaling algorithm has something to do with it. lol. what a terrible thing to write. )

 

[Grimmy]

Came back to post about how happy I am about Wasteland 2 coming back. This and its very bizarre cousin ESCAPE FROM HELL were pretty memorable back in the late 80s/early 90s. What I liked about them was that they had so much *personality* and quirkiness - something 99% of games seem to lack nowadays.

I donated $30 for now but will most likely plunk in more (probably going for $75).

But one thing I really hope that Brian Fargo won't do - which is to TURN THIS INTO FALLOUT. I don't *want* a a Fallout clone - I want a Wasteland 2. Which means, I want more than just the ugly brown palette that is smeared all over the Fallout games. I want funny and bizarre NPCs and quests. I want quirky characters.

The hi-res shots of Fallout 2 actually made me cringe. I really hope it doesn't look like that.

 

[golem]

http://www.grimdawn.com/contribute_buynow01.php


Here ya go!

Purchased!

 

[Fjordson]

8k away from 900k. Here we go!

 

[The_Player]

Less than an hour left to reach the goal.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Stupid question but are we sure they won't use the money to "fix" the current financial problems like the layoffs, 401k etc. instead of working on Wasteland 2?

 

[Decado]

It won't be 3D, it will be 2D isometric like fallout or baldurs gate.

3D is the reason why budgets are so high also why old school tactical rpg died. Also 2D art don't age as fast as 3D. Neverwinter nights 1 looks like shit compared to baldurs gate 1 today.

Um...why can't it be 3D isometric? As much as I like 2D (purty), it does place limitations on interactivity and design.

 

[Fredescu]

Stupid question

Obsidian and inXile are two different things.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Stupid question but are we sure they won't use the money to "fix" the current financial problems like the layoffs, 401k etc. instead of working on Wasteland 2?

I Think your confused with some other company...

 

[duckroll]

Stupid question but are we sure they won't use the money to "fix" the current financial problems like the layoffs, 401k etc. instead of working on Wasteland 2?

As far as I know, inXile doesn't have any of those problems.

 

[ZoddGutts]

They reached their goal!

 

[kase23]

Its Funded!

 

[Fredescu]

Damn that last 6k flew by.

 

[Instro]

Now bonus time.

 

[Nirolak]

Congrats inXile.

 

[Nairume]

Goal's been reach!

 

[duckroll]

Wasteland 2 is a GO!

 

[The_Player]

We did it!

 

[Joseph Merrick]

nice. 600k to go )

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Smells like....victory.

 

[dude]

Now let's see how high this will climb. Hoping for 2mil.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Yeah baby, 900k!

 

[duckroll]

So it took about 42 hours to get to the target right?

 

[ixix]

$900,000 raised, almost 16,000 donors.

Number of people who want an exploded blood sausage? Zero.

 

[Kyouji]

Time for Fargo to radio Ranger Center for his promotion.

 

[ghostmind]

Woo! Let's continue the march to 1,500,000 and beyond!


Now can I get a Kickstarter for a SWOTL reboot?

 

[Grimmy]

Can't believe it - in less than 48 hours too.

What a glorious day.

 

[bishoptl]

YES! Target nailed. How far can it go with a month remaining?

 

[jambo]

Well that was quick!

 

[Joseph Merrick]

Time for Fargo to radio Ranger Center for his promotion.

))

Brian Fargo doesn't have quite enough experience to be considered for promotion.

 

[Emitan]

Congratulations, Mr. Fargo!

 

[Jonnyram]

Need my Mac version now. Come on folks

 

[peakish]

Capitalism, ho!

 

[Kyouji]

))

Brian Fargo doesn't have quite enough experience to be considered for promotion.

Congratulations to Fargo and the Inxile people.

 

[KorrZ]

Ladies and gentleman, we now live in a world where Wasteland 2 will exist. Good job! Hopefully the momentum keeps out and we get the full 1.5 mil to get a huge world with insanely branching choices.