AHA-Lambda
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Should I just donate now or is it worth holding off for the 1.5 million mark to be reached?
I need a mac osx version
I need a mac osx version
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Wasteland 2 Kickstarter project by inXile entertainment [Ended, $3 Million Funded]
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Should I just donate now or is it worth holding off for the 1.5 million mark to be reached?
I need a mac osx version
If you plan to donate might as well do it now. The money doesn't get taken out til it hits the deadline. So if a Mac version is what you want/need if it doesn't look like it will hit that 1.5 million mark you can just withdraw your donation before that date.
Based on how its going I am pretty sure it will hit at least 1.5 though.
AHA-Lambda
Member
thanks guys
EDIT: backed!
EDIT: backed!
Pachterballs
Banned
$2500x3
so much for that blood sausage eh.
Wasteland 2 is going to be littered with all these "bonuses" I hope they're integrated well, and don't stick out too much.
$2500x3
so much for that blood sausage eh.
Wasteland 2 is going to be littered with all these "bonuses" I hope they're integrated well, and don't stick out too much.
I hope one of them is a bronze penis.
Wiktor
Member
THat's actually a damn good idea.
Unity can be later "easily" ported to iOS and Android, so it would fit in the grander scheme of things nicely.
Everything seems to indicate they'll go 3D, right? I mean, why wouldn't they? They have over a million dollars, one year and a half of planned development with a lot of the pre-production already done and the game could take good advantage of it.
On the other hand, making 3D assets takes forever while drawing is a lot faster...
The excitement is strong in this one...
I thought it was the other way around? Most proponents of 3D say it's more cost-efficient.
If you want your game to look like pixel-art or a cartoon, those art styles would make it easier to just get 2D artists to draw sprites and backgrounds rather than to create 3D assets to attempt to approximate those styles.
On the other hand, the sort of genre we're talking about here generally uses 3D artform to begin with. Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Planescape, etc used pre-rendered backgrounds and character sprites, and the look is meant to be more realistic anyway. As such, there is basically zero benefit in today's day and age to make a game like that in actual 2D. The only benefit would be if they wanted to make it really, really detailed while running on basically any hardware available today. Then in that case they might want to consider retaining a 2D engine.
Huh? ToEE uses pre-rendered backgrounds like any other game of this sort.
On the other hand, the sort of genre we're talking about here generally uses 3D artform to begin with. Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Planescape, etc used pre-rendered backgrounds and character sprites, and the look is meant to be more realistic anyway. As such, there is basically zero benefit in today's day and age to make a game like that in actual 2D. The only benefit would be if they wanted to make it really, really detailed while running on basically any hardware available today. Then in that case they might want to consider retaining a 2D engine.
Huh? ToEE uses pre-rendered backgrounds like any other game of this sort.
Wasteland 2 Interview
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/107335-wasteland-2-interview.html
Best part:
I guess I'm never going to understand the obsession with publishers who have consciously rejected old customers and fans in the hope of new customers, when they are doing sequels for the "masses" even though'd already pretty solid, and a wide fan base.
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/107335-wasteland-2-interview.html
Best part:
I guess I'm never going to understand the obsession with publishers who have consciously rejected old customers and fans in the hope of new customers, when they are doing sequels for the "masses" even though'd already pretty solid, and a wide fan base.
Tap for 30, bird-man!
It's capitalism. It's not enough to make sustainable profit and revenue, you need to keep increasing both.
I hope it is like this.
I'm confident that they'll reach 3 million.
I don't see why would anybody want this since they can do backgrounds of the same quality but not prerendered on any modest modern PC.
Not to mention AA, AF and all that other good stuff.
It's tracking behind Double Fine's campaign, and that only reached 3.3 million. I don't think that's an easy goal here. I'll say about 2.5 million seems more likely.
With 2M budget? I don't know.
Also budget 3D almost always looks worse than 2D in my eyes.
For example Silent Storm vs Planescape: Torment.. the latter looks so "detailed" in comparison.
There are pro and cons obviously and I'm not saying Silent Storm looks bad at all, but I think that for a turn-based+isometric game, the advantages of (budget) 3D become less important against the greater beauty (imo of course) of that 2D style.
(And the cartoony/painted style that several games use to get around the "low detail issue" issue of budget 3D, seems to me inappropriate for this game, so...).
Wiktor
Member
Those pre-renderede backgrounds would still have to be made in 3D first, so they would at the very best cost the same as real-time 3D ones and most likely they would end up making project far more expensive.
Infinity engine backgrounds were painted not 3d renders.
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/bg2fiveyearanniversary.php
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/bg2fiveyearanniversary.php
James Ohlen said:
James Ohlen said:
MightyHedgehog
Member
If I had my way, it'd be 2D tiled-based, just like the old game, but obviously updated like crazy.
I assume a much higher level of detail for a similar price could be achieved if the backgrounds were hand-painted as opposed to modeled and pre-rendered, but that would make the game drastically less scalable.
Besides, robin2 mentioned that he doesn't think a hand-painted look would fit Wasteland, although I wonder why he feels that way.
I believe they were touched-up renders.
Tiles are always useful from the developers' perspective, but I can't see how going that way will benefit the visuals. Might make the game more moddable, though.
I think you don't put an high detail model "as is" ingame, there is work to do in that case too. So I don't know which one ends up costing more.
For "painted" I intend King's Bounty style.
About the "a hand-painted look wouldn't fit Wasteland", it's purely a matter of my personal taste obviously.
Wiktor
Member
Do you have a link to that? Because they sure do like reglular low-poly renders and I would have to wonder what the hell would they make artists recreate computerized 3D style by hand.
The link is in the post.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Let the art team figure out how to make the game look good after the more important elements are squared away.
Each new kickstarter campaign aimed to bring back an oldschool game will be met with smaller and smaller enthusiasm. I would prefer if they'd be able to finance BG3 from the sales of BG1/2 Extended Editions personally, people will quickly become tired of the various initiatives and soon-ish devs won't be able to raise $1M+ anymore.
Wiktor
Member
I don't believe it. Maybe they just meant pre-rendered and then painted upon ? Because otherwise I have no clue why they would make their backgrounds looks like simple 3D renders if they could go for the detail hand painted images allow.
James Ohlen was the lead designer on BG1 and 2. I'll take his word over your lack of belief.
EDIT: To clarify, the actual texture of the backgrounds is painted on and layed over a plain 3d mesh.
So 3d elements are used to give it depth, but all the art on the mesh is painted.
Yeah, the backgrounds are definitely prerendered with some details painted on top of prerendered imagery.
Wiktor
Member
I think you've misunderstood him. It seems by 3D he means just real-time 3D.
EDIT: Saw your edit, makes sense, but you've just proved there weren't fully hand painted. And that's icewind dale, which always had far more hand-painted look than Baldurs Gate did, so BioWare propably did less touching up than Black Isle did.
Pachterballs
Banned
3D engines now can probably pull off that BG mesh real time active - plus look better.
its everything else (details) etc that ... will look dubious. Here's hoping the do the world justice.
its everything else (details) etc that ... will look dubious. Here's hoping the do the world justice.
I agree, to an extent, but I think a lot will depend on the talent/clout behind the kickstarter. It makes total sense that Double Fine would be able to generate more than inXile, which haven't developed a single high quality game in their studio's life. The only reason it is doing as well as it is, is because they haven't tried and failed at a hardcore RPG and the pedigree at the studio is pretty good for that type of game.
Oh, and it'll depend on how these kickstarters turn out.
Pachterballs
Banned
I think choplifterHD is meant to be really good. I'm not really gaming very these days but I kind of want to buy it now that I know its them.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/choplifter-hd
Hunted sounds like a hot mess but I never even heard of inXILE prior to this kickstarter; nor read any thread on the game. I can't imagine it being any worse than ShadowsoftheDamned (which is the last game I played and gave up on; watched the IGN+gamespot review)
The Bard's Tale (PC/Xbox/PS2) (2004)
Line Rider (2008) (Flash/Silverlight/DS/Wii/iOS)
HEI$T (2010) (cancelled)
Hunted: The Demon's Forge (2011) (Playstation 3, XBOX 360, PC)
Choplifter HD (2012) (Playstation Network, Xbox Live Arcade, PC)
Wasteland 2 (2013) (PC)
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/choplifter-hd
Hunted sounds like a hot mess but I never even heard of inXILE prior to this kickstarter; nor read any thread on the game. I can't imagine it being any worse than ShadowsoftheDamned (which is the last game I played and gave up on; watched the IGN+gamespot review)
The Bard's Tale (PC/Xbox/PS2) (2004)
Line Rider (2008) (Flash/Silverlight/DS/Wii/iOS)
HEI$T (2010) (cancelled)
Hunted: The Demon's Forge (2011) (Playstation 3, XBOX 360, PC)
Choplifter HD (2012) (Playstation Network, Xbox Live Arcade, PC)
Wasteland 2 (2013) (PC)
Hunted is a fine example of a game not given the amount of funding and time for it to flesh out gameplay systems and add polish. Bethesda rushed it out before it was ready and sent it to die. I think the underlying ideas in Hunted had tons of potential. I think inXile is a talented group that can never get the publisher backing they need to truly make what they're capable of.
I'm sure it was meant to be good, it just didn't turn out that way. Much like all their other games. Hopefully Wasteland 2 won't share the same fate.
I don't get complaints about Hunted. It had good graphics, production values, cheesy but appropriate writing, nice animations. Combat mechanics felt a bit simplistic imo but I didn't have enough time with it. The game gets too much flak just because it was in average-to-good range.
I don't expect Wasteland 2 to be a masterpiece either.
I don't expect Wasteland 2 to be a masterpiece either.
I agree. Hunted is a good game at the core. It suffers mostly from a lack of content. If it had more money to flesh out its systems it would have been pretty great.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
If the games visuals end up even remotely in the same galaxy as IWD's i'll cry tears of joy.
incredible artistry went into that game.
incredible artistry went into that game.
Wiktor
Member
I think it's hilarious it's inXile is the company that's ressurecting this old school RPG, because when Hunted was being releaed their president (Matt Findley) said that all those old turn based RPGs were more of a detrour caused by weak technology, while in reality all those games wantes was to be action games
I think it's hilarious it's inXile is the company that's ressurecting this old school RPG, because when Hunted was being releaed their president (Matt Findley) said that all those old turn based RPGs were more of a detrour caused by weak technology, while in reality all those games wantes was to be action games
yes, this quote is funny. At least not Fargo has said this, lol.
also I believe this was not their president but some designer... I don't remember, I posted a link to the interview.