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Wasteland 2 |OT| Explode 'em like a Blood Sausage
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Considering that the game forbids you from saving in battle - thus preventing save-scumming bad misses, weapon jams, and other such mishaps - taking some steps to prevent reloadspam in front of safes is pretty logical and would be in line with what they set up for combat. The FO3/New Vegas comparison is spot on.
Sanctuary
Member
I have a lot of issues with the game too, but none of which are preventing me from mostly enjoying it. One thing I really wish they had implemented though was context-sensitive skill use. The game has a whole lot of needless clicking. Instead of simply picking the appropriate character, and moving them up to attempt any given task, I have to click on the character, click on the skill, then click on the object. There's a reason mechanics like this died out. They don't add "fun" in any way and are nonsense in this day and age. It wouldn't matter if this only popped up every now and then, but it's countless times an hour.
Also, some skills don't even work correctly. Hopefully they patch it. And, the game does promote save scumming. 2% chance for critical failure happening more like a 20% chance? Yeah, no thanks, not just going to accept that, especially when it happens as much as it does. Start a fight and an enemy rushes and max crit, one-shots your surgeon before you even get an action? Yeah okay...
One thing that this interface adds, however, is the ability to (mechanic / possible exploit spoiler)
use Explosives to disarm traps you didn't know were there - for example, if you find a box, try clicking explosives skill and hovering over the box. If it highlights, you can defuse it regardless of whether you "knew" a trap was there. if it doesn't highlight, no trap there. You don't need Perception to find the traps, although it makes it much more intuitive. I do have Perception at a decent level, but this let me get by for a bit when I didn't. I'm glad perception has been useful for other reasons!
Would definitely like to see improved behavior to make things intuitive, though. Maybe (related to above)
perception should allow you to quick-defuse / unlock / comp sci by left clicking, while you can still do so manually?
UncleSporky
Member
Personally I press F4 to select my mechanical guy and then 3 to select safecracking. Hotkeys are way faster than clicking.
The game is most definitely a strong example of being greater than the sum of its parts.
Sanctuary
Member
I don't know about that. So far, the CHA XP bonus seems to only be applying to my character with 6 CHA. It doesn't seem to be working like the "CHA pool" for conversations, where it's the sum of your group. I noticed right away when my leader would get 27 XP for something, while everyone else was getting 25 that it was only working for him. You would need everyone to have higher CHA to level up "faster", but even then their combat skills would probably be a lot worse, so overall it would take just as long, if not longer.
Also, it's very much worth having a single character with 4-5 CHA (you can probably get away with 3) and investing into the leadership skill. Even if the +% hit bonus is HALF of what the tooltip says, not having your 5th, 6th and 7th character constantly going temporarily insane helps a ton. It's really worth it. On my current playthrough I haven't really been having any issues with my leader's combat effectiveness, and the radius of his leadership skill is huge. You gain more overall by having a full group that listens than trying to do it with just four. On that character I have Assault Rifles at 6, leadership at 8 and Smart Ass at 4.
If they can fix many issues with this game, Wasteland 3 could be better than sex.
Sanctuary
Member
On my first playthrough I had three characters with 10 INT. Not worth creating more than a single character with more than 8 IMO (you pick up someone with 10 by default). For my restart I just had 10/8/8/4. The 4 is on my melee character who also has points in Medic and Demolitions. Eventually I am more than likely just going to have him use Uzi's since I have over 300 bullets just sitting there, slowly being whittled down by my single pistol user. I went with Assualt Rifle x 2, Sniper Rifle (no backup weapon) and melee with the four I created. They've had a much easier time than my first group.
Shake Appeal
Member
You don't necessarily pick up someone with 10 depending on quest choices, and 10 is needed to
get the max level in Surgeon
UncleSporky
Member
PSA, it seems that items that give you an increased water capacity don't work right at this time. You'll have the increased water amount on the world map after filling up at an oasis, but when you enter/leave an encounter map or other area, the game seems to unequip/re-equip your items, because you'll have a maximum of 60 water again.
So if you have a max of 100 water and get an encounter when you have 82 left, when you leave the encounter you'll have 60/100 water.
So if you have a max of 100 water and get an encounter when you have 82 left, when you leave the encounter you'll have 60/100 water.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
This was the comparison I was thinking of and couldn't quite name for some reason.
In New Vegas, if you chose to, a lot of speech options often stayed open if you didn't follow the thread to its conclusion, and you could always come back later, when you'd leveled up a few more times. Plus, the harder skill checks had some pretty important ramifications to justify that high of a requirement.
Here, dialogue works like that, but for the rest of the skills, hitting 10 doesn't necessarily mean better loot. (unless there's some glitches in random lockers I've been finding)
Unless a percentage can eventually become a sure thing, it sets up this weird randomness factor, playing on the player's (or at least my) expectations of value in leveling the stat to its completion.
If I wanted to absolutely min-max, I'd do what someone in the thread mentioned, and not level up any non-gun skill, figure out a minimum requirement, then save scum like a mofo once I rank up enough to get the 11% minimum chance or so.
If you really care to, every 10 levels gives an attribute point. I just started my techie character at 8 int, and everyone else at 4. You get plenty of skill points through leveling if you don't avoid all the random encounters.
Does give you a whole lot of stat points to fill in a hole you may be missing, though.
Sanctuary
Member
Yeah, that's true I suppose. I did take a sneak peek at the NPC you get from
Highpool
UncleSporky
Member
But skills are king in this game, and it's pretty awesome to have a max int character who can do all sorts of jobs, anything I mold her into.
Sanctuary
Member
Notice I said it's not worth making more than one character, I didn't say none. And I already picked up a second character with 10 INT, so I have two that can be "whatever" in the end. Early on you need at least a few characters who do not suck at combat, and you need just enough INT on everyone else to have decent levels between 2-3 skills.
Yep.
what the fuck amazon. 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00MLWA6AY/
now the 'ranger edition' is that expensive. 1 week ago or 3 days ago even it was around £28. normal editon is more expensive too.
ughh, why didn't I buy that before.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00MLWA6AY/
now the 'ranger edition' is that expensive. 1 week ago or 3 days ago even it was around £28. normal editon is more expensive too.
ughh, why didn't I buy that before.
Shake Appeal
Member
I guess they do, although I like
having two scout-snipers
a high-INT computers and surgery genius
Rose
(I think it says something about Wasteland 2 that I'm already excited to start over with a new and different party.)
macfoshizzle
Member
how the hell are my guys missing a guy that is point blank range?
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Assault Rifles and Snipers have penalties at close range.
Anything else is pure RNG. Only thing you can do is raise the appropriate gun skill up.
Dave Oshry? Worst NPC. Worst hair. Would not buy his shit. 4.3/10
UncleSporky
Member
Wait, was that you? Are you a pro backer or something? That's awesome if so.
Shake Appeal
Member
My worry is they don't have the resources, especially with Torment fully underway now.
But fingers crossed. It would do a lot to sustain the good will they have going.
Chance Hale
Member
Anyone finished the game or getting towards the end? Just left the canyons with 25 hours on the clock. Great area, crazy amount of ways to get through and outside of badgers most of them non-lethal!
Begaria
Member
I'm really enjoying the game so far. Some of the complaints I've seen of "I gotta pick this guy, then this skill, then click on the object" holds no weight against me. That's what I want. I grew up doing this kind of stuff and it's not a negative to me. Honestly, the biggest issue I have in terms of gameplay right now is camera rotation. When I right click to pan the camera around, I want it to keep panning around, not stop when my mouse hits the edge of the screen. So annoying.
I've put in about 20 hours so far. I've explored almost all of the western side of the map (pretty much everything west of the Prison). Sadly I saved myself out of getting the best solution to the problem at the Nomad camp - that quest should be more transparent on what to do.
I've put in about 20 hours so far. I've explored almost all of the western side of the map (pretty much everything west of the Prison). Sadly I saved myself out of getting the best solution to the problem at the Nomad camp - that quest should be more transparent on what to do.
Chance Hale
Member
Just thought about it but I guess the reason the prisoner in Highpool ran off instead of joining was because my charisma is so low. Read that all of the speech checks are seperate so every one of my people(outside of followers) have 1. No one joined in Darwin either for the same reason I assume.
Some Protips from this weekend:
And finally, if your game dies, and the LOAD option gets disabled: delete the TOC.TXT file on \Documents\My Games\Wasteland2\ and restart to regenerate it.
Man, that almost gave me a hearth attack today.
*DO NOT spend all your initial skills. Have a plan on whom will do what, and spend the points until you really need it. You will get Companions that have tons already invested. Just put few on weapon (so you can start with one).
*Get the Rad suit asap, and go north. You can get 2 companions in very few minutes.
*Help AG Center. Yes, it's WAY HARDER but it has perhaps the best companion, which stays with your til the end. Plus Energy weapon.
*Early game, you need to spread weapon/ammo usage, even if you have no points invested. Otherwise, you will run out of ammo FAST.
*Blades/Blunt/Brawl weapons kind of suck for most of the game.
*Have each char focus on 1 main weapon and 1 backup that works in tandem (One with high AP, another with low). Specially critical with Snipers.
*IMHO, Skills triumph everything. Gets as many as possible per level.
*Hence, the (again IMHO) 3 most important attributes are:
INT == Get 8. Increases skills gained per level + action points (AP)
Awareness == High Combat initiative means that your members acts more often.
It's possible to kill the enemies before they even start. And adds evasion.
Speed == You can move more squares + Initiative.
QUITE useful to handle exploding enemies and "zerg" ones. Hit &Run!!
For Coordination, keep it low. You only need 6-7 Action points (AP) total, unless your char is sniper/heavy weapon user. Then go for 8. Don't overspend on it.
For Strength, my main only has 2 strength and is doing fine. You need 4 for some good armor.
Charisma is only useful for your leader. The sum of all your team's charisma is used to acquire some Companions (20+). But the best ones are free, so who cares?
*Smart/Hard/Suck ass checkpoints occurs only ONCE during conversations. If you see one, switch to the proper companion and use it. You don't get a 2nd chance!!!
*Disassemble unneeded weapons for enhancing parts. You can improve Chance to Hit, distance and reduce jamming by a noticeable amount with it.
SKILLS:
*All skills are relevant. But you can get a companion with good Weaponsmith/hard ass at the beginning and another with high Toaster repair at north. Those can wait.
*Skills give EXP, so create specialists, but spread similar ones.
Example, your Lockpicking expert should NOT be the safe/alarm person. Otherwise, the others won't raise their level as fast.
*Have at least 2 surgeons and 2 medics (one level is enough for backups). Ideally, with good Speed. All my 4 chars have surgeon, just in case.
*When you get requisitions to increase your level (like when you get new companions), do NOT do it unless you have good weapons. Enemies seem to scale with your level. Which sounds good (get better drops), but you will regret it early on.
*Animal Whisper is pretty awesome. But attacking pets can become problematic.
*Get the Rad suit asap, and go north. You can get 2 companions in very few minutes.
*Help AG Center. Yes, it's WAY HARDER but it has perhaps the best companion, which stays with your til the end. Plus Energy weapon.
*Early game, you need to spread weapon/ammo usage, even if you have no points invested. Otherwise, you will run out of ammo FAST.
*Blades/Blunt/Brawl weapons kind of suck for most of the game.
*Have each char focus on 1 main weapon and 1 backup that works in tandem (One with high AP, another with low). Specially critical with Snipers.
*IMHO, Skills triumph everything. Gets as many as possible per level.
*Hence, the (again IMHO) 3 most important attributes are:
INT == Get 8. Increases skills gained per level + action points (AP)
Awareness == High Combat initiative means that your members acts more often.
It's possible to kill the enemies before they even start. And adds evasion.
Speed == You can move more squares + Initiative.
QUITE useful to handle exploding enemies and "zerg" ones. Hit &Run!!
For Coordination, keep it low. You only need 6-7 Action points (AP) total, unless your char is sniper/heavy weapon user. Then go for 8. Don't overspend on it.
For Strength, my main only has 2 strength and is doing fine. You need 4 for some good armor.
Charisma is only useful for your leader. The sum of all your team's charisma is used to acquire some Companions (20+). But the best ones are free, so who cares?
*Smart/Hard/Suck ass checkpoints occurs only ONCE during conversations. If you see one, switch to the proper companion and use it. You don't get a 2nd chance!!!
*Disassemble unneeded weapons for enhancing parts. You can improve Chance to Hit, distance and reduce jamming by a noticeable amount with it.
SKILLS:
*All skills are relevant. But you can get a companion with good Weaponsmith/hard ass at the beginning and another with high Toaster repair at north. Those can wait.
*Skills give EXP, so create specialists, but spread similar ones.
Example, your Lockpicking expert should NOT be the safe/alarm person. Otherwise, the others won't raise their level as fast.
*Have at least 2 surgeons and 2 medics (one level is enough for backups). Ideally, with good Speed. All my 4 chars have surgeon, just in case.
*When you get requisitions to increase your level (like when you get new companions), do NOT do it unless you have good weapons. Enemies seem to scale with your level. Which sounds good (get better drops), but you will regret it early on.
*Animal Whisper is pretty awesome. But attacking pets can become problematic.
And finally, if your game dies, and the LOAD option gets disabled: delete the TOC.TXT file on \Documents\My Games\Wasteland2\ and restart to regenerate it.
Man, that almost gave me a hearth attack today.
LurkerPrime
Member
Wouldn't call it a bug (although I know there are a few odd bugs related to corrupt save games).
It's more like the typical scenario when the game is saving, and either crashes at that point or (in my case) your PC turns off and something gets messed up. Thankfully, the solution is simple.
UncleSporky
Member
No, some characters just automatically join if you meet other conditions (finish a quest for them etc.), and the people in Highpool and Ag Center are like that. Could be a bug, could be that you didn't meet the right prereqs.
Might just have the burst fire mode enabled.
UncleSporky
Member
What? No...you earn one extra skill point per level at 4, 8, and 10 points in intelligence. Stopping at 7 points means 1 less skill point per level unless you can buff int somehow.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
I wish. It takes the hit right on the stat sheet.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Find Jobe at the back of the farm in that area. He'll give you the cure for the dogs. Then return to the Prison.
You are right. It should be 8. Just changed it.
Sanctuary
Member
Where exactly do you find the
energy weapon in the Ag Center
I also don't really feel like it's necessary to spread the ammo around that much early on. Ammo becomes kind of scarce when you have three in your group using the same type, but when one can also melee, it's not as bad.
On my initial playthrough I was using a backup weapon for various characters, thinking it was kind of a requirement but it's not at all. After
Ag Center or Highpool
I personally feel like you should just take your primary weapons to at least 6/7 and then you can decide, based on the character's AP or movement options what other weapons to start branching out towards, such as Energy or Heavy once you've fleshed out your 2-3 non combat skills to adequate levels. Or, you could just stall even doing that to get your primary weapon to 10 (head shots do so much more damage but incur a 40% to hit penalty).
Melee (blunt) also starts out very weak, but eventually it gets a lot better, and it has a high chance to crit. The armor penetration works wonders as well.
Another thing, is that the
exploding enemies in Ag Center
Bugs Bunny on steroids
exploding fungal people
Begaria
Member
I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but there's a Character editor out there that works really well:
http://home.comcast.net/~cinful75/WL2/
It's pretty simple to use. I've used it a couple of times to fix some skill allocations that I made at character creation that I learned through my time with the game that were huge mistakes. I did place a limitation on myself though: I would only redistribute the exact point allocations that I've received. For example, I had put four points into Blade Weapons on one of my created characters at creation, but found out quickly that Blade Weapons are next to useless. So I used the character editor to take those four points away and put them into something else.
This might defeat the purpose of permanent choices, but fuck it. I like respecs
http://home.comcast.net/~cinful75/WL2/
It's pretty simple to use. I've used it a couple of times to fix some skill allocations that I made at character creation that I learned through my time with the game that were huge mistakes. I did place a limitation on myself though: I would only redistribute the exact point allocations that I've received. For example, I had put four points into Blade Weapons on one of my created characters at creation, but found out quickly that Blade Weapons are next to useless. So I used the character editor to take those four points away and put them into something else.
This might defeat the purpose of permanent choices, but fuck it. I like respecs
UncleSporky
Member
It's called Herbicide and it's in the cave part of the basement, in or near the manmade rooms.
Personally I don't think it's as good as the energy weapon you start with if you pick energy weapons...it costs double the AP to use for barely more than double the damage, and it raises the armor threshold to 2, which makes it much more useless in the early parts of the game. The one you start with only has a threshold of 1 which means it does double damage a lot more often.
Personally I don't think it's as good as the energy weapon you start with if you pick energy weapons...it costs double the AP to use for barely more than double the damage, and it raises the armor threshold to 2, which makes it much more useless in the early parts of the game. The one you start with only has a threshold of 1 which means it does double damage a lot more often.
It's on the lowest level, near a corpse, just at the left side of the door where you find
the mushroom/fungicide expert guy. So, from the stairs: enter the Mushroom cave, continue forward and be in the look of a small passage at your left side. I also missed this area, until I got the quest to find the fungicide.
I do agree that your main weapon should be raised to net you 70%+ CtH asap. But if your snipers do not have a short range one as backup, you can get screwed. Plus, I like versatility.
I actually got Blunt, but haven't found any good weapon so far. All weapons will be awesome towards the end, though. That's the nature of these games.
I also didn't find the
exploding pod enemies
a goat + dog
so my game is fucked, I can't get into combat without it putting me in combat with the whole map.. which I need to level up to complete, but I have a time limit with my guy 'poisoned' by the spore.. anyone know if you can XML hack the save game to remove the poisoning so I can actually enjoy this game?
I'm not sure how anyone could think that unless they didn't actually play X-Com: Enemy Unknown. The cramped environments and forced melee aspects alone strike a sharp contrast. You don't have protracted range battles utilizing cover and flanking in Wasteland 2 like you do in X-Com. The combat is okay, but it is very much a dumbed down version of what you find in X-Com. That's fine, but don't mislead people who may be interested in the game.
I'm really enjoying the game, but the combat is very basic.
Do you save scum every random loot chest until you get something satisfying? If not, why not?