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Watch_Dogs |OT| PS4 would probably melt trying to do this

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Sothpaw

Member
SJRB said:
Of course it's randomly generated. There's a massive algorythm that grabs first name, last name, job, age and random fact and mashes them together.

The mere suggestion that Ubisoft is pushing some hidden agenda is insulting to everyone involved.
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Is it that simple? So you can have a dog catcher pulling $100k?
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Sothpaw said:
Oh someone (would link but on mobile) mentioned how the game portrays Christians as hypocrites through the profiler. Ie being listed as a fundamental Christian and making out with a hooker. Just pointing out that I guarantee that Ubi wouldn't allow that to happen with say, a fundamental Muslim. Anyway I would be happily proven wrong if someone could provide a screen shot.

GTA does the same stuff too. Lampoons conservatives all day and barely touches liberals. Not that I have a problem with this, it's their game and they have a right to do whatever they want.
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Again, I'm really not convinced this is taking place in this particular game.

I have my theories about what is actually taking place in the context of this conversation, but I really think it's outside the scope of this thread. What you said about what Ubi "would allow or not" doesn't seem to be a factor so far as I can tell.
Sothpaw said:
Is it that simple? So you can have a dog catcher pulling $100k?
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Job and salary are obviously linked fields. I'm not sure if every other combination is random, but I have seen sympathetic ex-convicts with 2 children, and a registered sex offender who worked for a charity.
 
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NullPointer

Member
I can't get worked up about the profiler in this game. I'm pretty sure its intended to feel like a profound invasion of privacy, a paranoid oversimplification of what makes a person 'interesting', and something too easily abused in society.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Sothpaw said:
Oh someone (would link but on mobile) mentioned how the game portrays Christians as hypocrites through the profiler. Ie being listed as a fundamental Christian and making out with a hooker. Just pointing out that I guarantee that Ubi wouldn't allow that to happen with say, a fundamental Muslim. Anyway I would be happily proven wrong if someone could provide a screen shot.

GTA does the same stuff too. Lampoons conservatives all day and barely touches liberals. Not that I have a problem with this, it's their game and they have a right to do whatever they want.
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Psst, Muslims are conservative too for the most part.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
NullPointer said:
I can't get worked up about the profiler in this game. I'm pretty sure its intended to feel like a profound invasion of privacy, a paranoid oversimplification of what makes a person 'interesting', and something too easily abused in society.
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accurate.

This might be tough for some people to understand (especially those that belong to a group they may have seen identified with a negative trait in a screenshot or whatever), but the assertion that combinations presented are intended to portray certain ethically neutral groups (i.e. christian or muslim) in a certain light is more offensive to me than any potential combination I might encounter in-game.

I guess it's possible I could be proven wrong. If certain groups are always shown with distinct negative traits and others with distinct positive traits then they are in fact inserting bias into an apparently random process. However at present, the way I see it, the "position" staked out by the tool, if there is one, is that human beings of any stripe are capable of just about anything, from profound generosity to the most depraved secrets imaginable. Not that christians are anything, or muslims are anything.
Sothpaw said:
Haha. OK maybe they should refine the process a bit in WD2.
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I sort of don't agree. For one thing, I've seen plenty of homeless people with "$0," so the job/salary aspect is obviously not completely random, and any "refining" of the process would be a bit more like intentionally associating traits with certain groups, which is not what we're looking at.
henhowc said:
good shit lol
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KINGofCRA5H said:
Gaz is a hacking fiend, and it's awesome :D
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He's great, and I've learned a lot in just an hour. Recommend audio so you can hear his tips. Wish I could just watch for the rest of the day at work.
 
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Double D

Member
Gaz, thanks for providing enjoyment during my workday. Watching this has been a blast. I'm not a multiplayer person, and generally avoid anything resembling it. I have yet to invade someone but you can bet your ass that I'll be doing just that tonight.
 
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Gaz_RB

Member
Double D said:
Gaz, thanks for providing enjoyment during my workday. Watching this has been a blast. I'm not a multiplayer person, and generally avoid anything resembling it. I have yet to invade someone but you can bet your ass that I'll be doing just that tonight.
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Good luck!
 
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Sothpaw

Member
Hawkian said:
I sort of don't agree. For one thing, I've seen plenty of homeless people with "$0," so the job/salary aspect is obviously not completely random, and any "refining" of the process would be a bit more like intentionally associating traits with certain groups, which is not what we're looking at.
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The profiler is really interesting to think about. If it is truly random then you will have as many high income professionals in south Chicago as in the north. And you will have as many gang members in north Chicago as south. So really there has to be some refinement if Ubi is going for realism.

I can't say because I have only played a few hours and I get slammed with side missions instantly.
 
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pahamrick

Member
Spoilers regarding a series of side missions.

Side Mission Title:
Human Trafficking
For those who don't want to accidentally read spoilers for something they're actively working on.

Just finished that series of side missions up, and I have to save I'm severely disappointed. How you take out DeMarco isn't even remotely like the mission in the 2012 demo, at all -- so if the Watch_Dogs creative director stated that the mission was in as a side mission, he's full of it. Basically, once you track down all 10 bidders from the human trafficking story mission you get the mission to track down Joseph DeMarco. Head to his apartment, hack in, find some dirty cops who are about to escort him out of the city. Then it's a simple criminal convoy mission where you need to kill DeMarco before they leave the city.

I'm enjoying Watch_Dogs, but I really wish things were a little closer to the 2012 reveal.
 
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failgubbe

Member
The get tailed 5 times achievement is kinda bullshit since it's basically all luck. I guess you get tailed more often if you do alot of online tailings yourself tho.

You can check it on Xbox One and i have only been tailed once
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Double D said:
Gaz, thanks for providing enjoyment during my workday. Watching this has been a blast. I'm not a multiplayer person, and generally avoid anything resembling it. I have yet to invade someone but you can bet your ass that I'll be doing just that tonight.
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Survey: what game in the entire history of gaming offers a multiplayer experience similar to this? I'm legitimately asking. I guess I'm not really familiar with the AC games but I know those had "blend in" aspects...

It reminds me the most of Souls invasions, as one might imagine, but the ultimate outcome of that is always intended to be combat. The invader's objective is to kill the target. In a "flawless" hack or tail (although I'm still avoiding tailing until patched, be warned), the target will never have even encountered you on screen. It is really compelling, unique, tense gameplay... I can't stress enough how much fun there is to be had with this, and consider it woefully unexplored in some of the professional reviews I've seen :-/
Sothpaw said:
The profiler is really interesting to think about. If it is truly random then you will have as many high income professionals in south Chicago as in the north. And you will have as many gang members in north Chicago as south. So really there has to be some refinement if Ubi is going for realism.

I can't say because I have only played a few hours and I get slammed with side missions instantly.
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I don't believe they are going for realism in that sense whatsoever (although if there are quotes on that matter I'd be interested to see them), so much as "human condition" realism. As far as the resultant inaccuracies with different districts of Chitown, remember that this is, at least, in the future (and a pretty alternate one at that :p).
 
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painey

Member
when you are hacking, and it says INTRUSION DETECTED, what happens when the timer hits 0? Do you just get kicked out, or do people come after you or something?
 
Lucent

Lucent

Member
I wonder if the corrupt saved data glitch is also related to online. If it is, I wonder if I can just disable invading and stuff until they fix it. Really want to play this game again. Sucks to take out something like that, but I guess I'll try it.
 
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DukeBobby

Member
Zakalwe said:
In the first couple of hours of main story quests, you get to:

Infiltrate a building either riding the cameras, physically stealthing, or blasting your way in.

You get to hunt down a signal, access the data point, then silently escape from the fixers who decend on you or fight your way out.

You're asked to pick up a fixer in need, and evade police roadblocks to get him to saftey.

The game is pretty varied, and within each encounter there are various ways to complete them.

I'm up to Act 2, I think about half way through, and so far the main missiosn have felt well paced and varied.
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Yes, but you already do most of those things in the various side missions.

Gang hideouts, CTOS control centers, fixer contracts where you have to evade the police.

I just want to do something a bit different. That's why I liked the last mission of act 1, despite the insta-fail stealth bullshit.

Anyway, I've heard the missions get better, so I shouldn't be complaining yet.
 
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malfcn

Member
Some of the risk/reward seems off.
Still getting matches where I am instantly profiled.

And errors where I can't get a match but I am being invaded.
Right now I am having a terrible time being found..last night I was mostly all good.
 
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Bailey 87

Member
kiguel182 said:
I'm feeling the urge to just spend 70 euros and buy it on PSN.

I need someone to convince me otherwise since I want to play this but I don't want to spend so much money.

Why is life so hard?
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Make an American PSN account and buy it from there. I got the gold edition for £47, on the UK PSN store they were selling it for £60.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Lucent said:
Has this been posted yet? lol
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I puffed air out of my nostrils real hard :>
 
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XANDER CAGE

Member
Sothpaw said:
Oh someone (would link but on mobile) mentioned how the game portrays Christians as hypocrites through the profiler. Ie being listed as a fundamental Christian and making out with a hooker. Just pointing out that I guarantee that Ubi wouldn't allow that to happen with say, a fundamental Muslim. Anyway I would be happily proven wrong if someone could provide a screen shot.

GTA does the same stuff too. Lampoons conservatives all day and barely touches liberals. Not that I have a problem with this, it's their game and they have a right to do whatever they want.
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GTAV lampooned west coast populist liberalism mercilessly, to be fair.

For what it's worth, I did find a really poorly dressed guy with a net income of lower than 20k with the tag "atheist activist" or something like that. Slap a fedora on that NPC and I'd believe it was intentional.
 
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Hoodbury

Member
Getting better at the online stuff. Ranking was in the upper 80%'s last night, now down to top 13%. Couple tips I've been using (which could be the same as what GAZ is describing) but abuse the cover mechanic. You can just find a pole and keep circling around it and keep LOS obscured. Done that a few times out in the relative open too and they can't find me. As long as you're using cover and not just running around it, they can't see you.

If you are the one getting hacked, equip the grenade launcher.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Glenn Maleficent Beck said:
Yes, it's really hard to avoid [video games] … and then once you start, it's hard to put them down. Yeah, so is crack cocaine.
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In his defense, I feel like I really need a fix after work :X
 
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RetroStu

Banned
I have been watching a playthrough of this and if anyone knows where the 'Ambrose Theatre' is, i swear its the area from the orig 2012 reveal demo where he walks outside in the rain and has that gun battle on the road.
If anyone knows where that is and wants to check it out to confirm it is the same area then cool. I just thought it would be cool if someone gifed it or did a vid to compare the graphics to the reveal vid.
 
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