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[MacReady13]

They always believe the accuser, even without evidence.

Jussie Smollett thread comes to mind! Fucking morons there banned me twice now! 1st I can't remember why, possibly for going against everyone in a particular thread, then 2nd time they had no right to ban me but did it under the fact I had created another account, even though I was disagreeing with them in saying the Covington kids did nothing wrong...
Sorry, but I sometimes have a read there and it's INFURIATING how dense they truly are. I HAVE to say something, and they disagree with me and I get the boot. Fuck them. Fuck their mods and fuck their stupid bubble of bullshit. I hope they read this those fucking morons.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I’m not saying Michael was a molester, at all, but to play Devil’s Advocate, what kind of evidence could a 10 year kid in the early 90s produce? Not like they had smartphones back then to record anything.

Something about the nature of Michael’s relationship with the kids does make me feel a little weird. The sleepovers, or whatever they were considered, that seems weird to me. Actually, I’ll be blunt, I think that’s weird as fuck. No idea why parents were OK with that

What kind of evidence was there against Cosby?

Conversely

How much evidence was there against OJ?

Makes me wonder, that’s all.

As far as the guy changing his story, not a good look but I can see a scenario where it’s possible he’s telling the truth.

But I don’t know anything, and I’m not accusing or condemning anyone. Just thinking out loud

 

[haxan7]

A thought that kept occurring to me as I watched the first episode was, wouldn't one of the kids have said something, at some point, that made their parents suspicious back then?

I mean it seems like with the scale and frequency of what Michael is accused of doing to the two guys in the doc, one of them would have said SOMETHING as kids that would have tipped off their parents to what was happening.

They accused him of putting his tongue in their assholes ffs. They both kept reiterating that as kids they thought it was normal and there was nothing wrong with what was happening... so with that in mind, wouldn't they have casually mentioned something that would have clued their parents in on what was happening back when the alleged abuse was actually going on?

 

[A.Romero]

The truth is that we just don't know. If MJ being a manchild is enough evidence to give credibility to those kinds of accusations a lot of people in this forum would be a likely culprit.

I spend more in video games and electronic entertainment than any other entertainment thing. I rather buy a new computer than go on vacation. Might be eccentric and a lot of people don't get it but believe me, I have 0 interest in children.

We know for a fact that he was a tormented guy. He had a difficult childhood. That enough is an indication that maybe he wanted to live through other children a lot of stuff he didn't have a chance to do. Just add an immense fortune and you get neverland. Don't know why that is so difficult to understand.

At this point I feel it's more likely people try to take advantage of those prejudices than him being a pedo.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Got banned at shit era for saying I’m not watching the doc cause why should I believe a doc when Investigations found no evidence.

I'd recommend this post I made a while back to any new or returning members. Welcome to NeoGAF.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

What kind of evidence was there against Cosby?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/04/27/bill-cosby-full-list-accusers/555144002/
Cosby's full list had 60 accusers.

the narrative is that MJ was a serial predator who used his vast empire to procure victims. this is what Cosby did, which was corroborated by the fact that 60 people went public to accuse him, all having similar stories that could be verified between them. many of them had filed suits against him in the past, and even if they settled, they never said that they had lied to the court. they also had evidence stretching back decades that many of the victims told people they knew when it happened. comparitively, for MJ, the accusers total, what 2 people? one of whom has already admitted to lying about it?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

 

[cryptoadam]

after watching part 1, if what they said is true then yes MJ is a monster.

The question is the creability of these 2 guys. Also in part 1 one thing they pointed to was how MJ would get a new boy. Culkin has said he was never molested. There was another boy in the doc that went on the tour instead of wade. Did that kid ever accuse MJ?

Overall if it is true its very damning on Jackson.

 

[HarryKS]

What's really the point in dredging this out now that he's been dead for almost a decade?

To hide other people's sins.

 

[SegaShack]

Wade only visited Neverland 8 times and Michael was only there for 4 of them. Documentary claims he was molested 100s of times by him though? What a joke.

The same Wade auditioned to be the lead choreograoher for Michael Jackson’s Cirque show after his death and only started saying these stories when he didn’t get the job.

I feel bad for the people who are dumb enough to believe anything because it is in a documentary format without doing any research.

I think people forget the Santa Barbara Police tried so hard to convict Michael yet all the evidence only pointed in his favor. Now a film maker thinks he can prove what a professional police department spent years attempting to prove? Yeah right.

Glad that Michael who was only guilty of being too naive and vulnerable, is not around to see this character attack.

Documentary is a cash grab.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Jussie Smollett thread comes to mind! Fucking morons there banned me twice now! 1st I can't remember why, possibly for going against everyone in a particular thread, then 2nd time they had no right to ban me but did it under the fact I had created another account, even though I was disagreeing with them in saying the Covington kids did nothing wrong...

Other than four or five of the kids making that dumb tomahawk hand gesture at one point after their group was approached, yeah, the kids did nothing wrong. At one point the kids boo the black Israelites for saying gay people [although they used a slur] shouldn't have rights. At another point, Nick Sandman tells another kid to not argue with a native american who is telling the kids to go back to Europe. Then there's that stupid smile, which was a result of confrontation, and didn't last very long either. For the most part, he just stood there trying to remain fairly expressionless.

I'd also like to stick up for the Native Americans who were there, because a lot of them didn't do anything wrong either, especially the ones seen earlier in the extended video.

And yeah, you'll get banned here for using a 2nd account while your 1st is banned as well. It's pretty common.

What kind of evidence was there against Cosby?

If I'm remembering correctly, he admitted on the stand that he gave drugs to women that would have knocked them out before he had sex with them. The thing is, he said this was consensual and done with their permission. My guess is they could prove he had the drugs, so he had to admit something.

Now imagine you're about to have sex with one of the biggest celebrities ever, and they said to you "do you mind if I give you something to knock you out, and then have sex with your near lifeless body?" Does that sound like a thing people would say yes to?

Between that and the number of accusers, I do feel comfortable making a judgement there.

Same with Harvey Weinstein. Between the number of accusers, and the audio of him pressuring women for sexual favors, I'm also good with making a judgement there.

How much evidence was there against OJ?

With OJ, if I remember right, the issue was the evidence that wasn't admissible in court. There was a fair amount of it, and the public heard about it, but the jury wasn't able to. I forgot the exact details, but I'm not one to make a judgement there. I think it's quite possible that he did it, but the man had his day in court, so I don't support others judging him beyond that. A lot of people might disagree with that, I'm aware. If I researched the details of the case, maybe I'd even change my mind.

 

[demigod]

Got banned at shit era for saying I’m not watching the doc cause why should I believe a doc when Investigations found no evidence. You really gotta agree with the mods or you get the boot. Fucking sensitive terds.

Little bitches is what they are. They like to abuse their mod powers.

HBO getting their ass sued and rightfully so. Defaming a dead person, how low can you go? I hope the family goes after the accusers too.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I think people forget the Santa Barbara Police tried so hard to convict Michael yet all the evidence only pointed in his favor. Now a film maker thinks he can prove what a professional police department spent years attempting to prove? Yeah right..

This is what it comes down to is unlike today's era of mob "justice" there was an actual police investigation that occurred and no less than two court trials and he was found not guilty in both.

Obviously the justice system isn't perfect but it seems like a safe enough bet to me that he wasn't guilty.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

"AHH HEEE HEEEEEEEEE" - Michael Jackson 2009

 

[bad guy]

Since they were married, he should at least get half of the moneyz.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

"AHH HEEE HEEEEEEEEE" - Michael Jackson 2009

A hoo hoo hoo!

 

[cryptoadam]

This is what it comes down to is unlike today's era of mob "justice" there was an actual police investigation that occurred and no less than two court trials and he was found not guilty in both.

Obviously the justice system isn't perfect but it seems like a safe enough bet to me that he wasn't guilty.

But the racist justice system would obvisouly clear a white man of all crimes. If only Micheal Jackson was black then they would of found him guilty of course.

Just more of that white supremacy patriarchy.

 

[AgentP]

Just like with Cosby, reality is going to catch up with MJ, dead or alive. Money and celebrity can get you a lot, but some stuff just can't be paid for.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

those are some pretty hefty accusations though to make up. dunno if I could publicly lie saying I was groomed as a seven year old so that i could to spread my buttcheeks for him to lick my anus - that said, the marketing of this documentary is very suspect and disrespectful...its just shock and awe for sick fucks who want to hear the explicit details.

shame on me!

also, just wondering - what kind of evidence are people looking for?

 

[Joe T.]

I feel bad for the people who are dumb enough to believe anything because it is in a documentary format without doing any research.

That's the thing with these sort of documentaries, they play with the facts, using them as a stage for the actors to play their role and, let's be honest, there was a lot of acting going on. I didn't care for the subject matter considering the circumstances, but I have to give HBO credit, everything was expertly shot and edited. To top it all off, that the controversy about the documentary was used as a shameless promotional tool before it aired added another layer of skepticism to it for me. It apparently became one of the most-watched documentaries of the last decade for HBO.

 

[MacReady13]

And yeah, you'll get banned here for using a 2nd account while your 1st is banned as well. It's pretty common.

The ONLY reason they checked to see if I had been banned before was because I was making noise in that thread. They had no right to ban me BOTH times but especially in the Covington thread it was particularly bad as they had no legs to stand on to shut me EXCEPT for the fact they found out I had another account that was banned... I hate that place and the majority of people there who are quite content living in that bubble. Just read the Michael Jackson thread there with 1 particular person actively asking for people to be banned for not believing the victims! Do they ever learn???

 

[VulcanRaven]

after watching part 1, if what they said is true then yes MJ is a monster.

The question is the creability of these 2 guys. Also in part 1 one thing they pointed to was how MJ would get a new boy. Culkin has said he was never molested. There was another boy in the doc that went on the tour instead of wade. Did that kid ever accuse MJ?

Overall if it is true its very damning on Jackson.

Do you mean Brett Barnes? He doesn't like that he is mentioned in the documentary and might sue HBO. TMZ posted this few days ago:

Michael Jackson never molested a guy named Brett Barnes -- so says Barnes himself -- and he's getting ready to sue HBO for a documentary insinuating he was sexually abused by MJ.

The upcoming documentary, "Leaving Neverland," shows Brett, and he claims it implies Jackson molested him as a boy. As for why Barnes thinks this ... Wade Robson -- one of Jackson's well-known alleged victims -- claims in the doc, Barnes "replaced him." The film then shows Michael and Brett together on tour. Thus, the insinuation.

Barnes lawyered up and threatened HBO with a lawsuit, claiming the documentary puts him in a false light and subjects him to "hatred, contempt and ridicule." Presumably, the lawyer is saying MJ supporters will target Barnes as a result of the documentary.

Barnes testified at Jackson's criminal trial in 2005 -- along with Macaulay Culkin -- that he was never sexually abused by Jackson ... and he hasn't changed his account since. Brett also tweeted about the MJ allegations in January, calling them "lies."

"Leaving Neverland" does include Barnes' denial that Jackson did anything inappropriate, but only for a few seconds in writing on the screen. Brett's camp doesn't think that's nearly enough to "cure such a despicable allegation."

Barnes says he wants nothing to do with the film, does not give HBO his consent to use his image and likeness and wants all references to him axed ... or else.

We're told HBO replied to the letter, telling Barnes to pound sand. We're told a lawsuit now looms.

 

[cryptoadam]

The ONLY reason they checked to see if I had been banned before was because I was making noise in that thread. They had no right to ban me BOTH times but especially in the Covington thread it was particularly bad as they had no legs to stand on to shut me EXCEPT for the fact they found out I had another account that was banned... I hate that place and the majority of people there who are quite content living in that bubble. Just read the Michael Jackson thread there with 1 particular person actively asking for people to be banned for not believing the victims! Do they ever learn???

No, and by banning anyone who doesn't toe the line they don't have to learn.

 

[cryptoadam]

Do you mean Brett Barnes? He doesn't like that he was mentioned in the documentary and might sue HBO. TMZ posted this few days ago:

Yes thats him. The doc made it seem like Wade was dropped for Barnes. But then why didn't MJ molest Barnes? He got enough from Wade and decided not to molest anymore?

Wade doesn't have much credibility with me.

The other guy though is a bit more believable.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Investigations so far seem to suggest MJ is innocent.

Have any of these people that have come forward shown that they have spent thousands of dollars on psychologists due to the severe impact on their lives these incidences have caused them? If not than I assume they are bullshitting, have lived a happy healthy life and were not touched.

Not all individuals respond with psychological distress, to war, physical or sexual abuse. Most probably do, but there are a few that can cope with such, and live a normal life, without therapy or ptsd, even after horrible tragedies.

And yeah, you'll get banned here for using a 2nd account while your 1st is banned as well. It's pretty common.

Reminds me of the youtube channel closing 3 strikes. With ever more content on the channel, and with ever more things becoming problematic, just about anyone who makes slightly controversial points and even noncontroversial points, will eventually find increasing odds of getting 3 strikes in short period. Now imagine a permaban on youtube, no more videos ever, anyone given decades of content might one day find themselves subject to such. I mean if social landscape changes, given enough content, they could likely find reason to even permaban anyone.

Now imagine if the mods went back to ever older posts, which wouldn't surprise me if reset started doing that, you could be banned for someone quoting something you said years or maybe even decades ago. Suppose they weren't sensitive to something in 2019, but it becomes unacceptable in 2029, a quote of your old post, and bam permabanned.

 

[sol_bad]

Not all individuals respond with psychological distress, to war, physical or sexual abuse. Most probably do, but there are a few that can cope with such, and live a normal life, without therapy or ptsd, even after horrible tragedies.

This is very true and I can understand someone wanting to take the abuser to court to ensure they don't attack/affect/rape someone else even if they weren't affected as an individual. But when it comes to making allegations against a dead person with a legacy, I think that trauma needs to be proven or it just looks like a money grab.

 

[DForce]

I grew up thinking Michael Jackson molested children. I thought his behavior was odd and that it was typically what pedophiles do when they're trying to groom their victims.

As years went on, fact checking was quick and easy, so I decided to just do some research and that's when my opinion changed altogether.


I came across an old NeoGAF thread a few years ago that shed more light on the Michael Jackson molestation allegations. It was called "The Michael Jackson Rebuttal" - The Rageaholic. Now that new documentary has came out, he made another one about Wade Robson and James Safechuck and it does raise a lot of questions when it comes to their credibly.



Then there's more details on this page. It shows some inconsistencies in his story and a possible motive as to why he's bringing up these allegations.

https://mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/wade-robson-wadeaminute-things-dont-add-up/

 

[#Phonepunk#]

anyone see "Soaked in Bleach"? it was a documentary that came out a few years ago with very convincing evidence that Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain murdered. there were interviews with detectives, photos of the crime scene, etc. a lot of compelling evidence. then a year after it came out one of the detectives interviewed said this

On June 27, 2016, Vernon J. Geberth, former homicide detective of the New York City Police Department, who was among the experts interviewed in the docudrama, posted an article on his Practical Homicide Investigation website and Facebook page, stating that he "was not happy that the producers of Soaked in Bleach made it appear that he agreed with their homicide theory". He stated further that he "made it quite clear that he believed that Kurt Cobain took his own life and backed up his opinion with the facts that he had obtained from the Seattle Police Department's Homicide Division coupled with his own experience with suicide cases".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaked_in_Bleach

it is easy to push an agenda through documentaries. in fact, it is pretty much what they exist for. thinking critically means we should be skeptical of anything presented, no matter how high it's RT score.

 

[petran79]

Years ago they admitted MJ slept with them on the same bed. I do not know if accidental groping is unavoidable in such situations

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I just watched the Leaving Neverland documentary and I believe the allegations. Michael's a weird sick pervo.

Are you a moron who believes what a television tells/shows him? Go read about the 10 year FBI investigation and the fact that he was acquitted on all 14 counts in court.

Unbelievable how people will just believe what they want to believe.
These fuckers came in just the perfect time to spew their bullshit because apparently, someone in today's world is guilty before proven innocent.

 

[cryptoadam]

Are you a moron who believes what a television tells/shows him? Go read about the 10 year FBI investigation and the fact that he was acquitted on all 14 counts in court.

Unbelievable how people will just believe what they want to believe.
These fuckers came in just the perfect time to spew their bullshit because apparently, someone in today's world is guilty before proven innocent.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY!

YOU'VE BEEN STRUCK BY!

A SMOOTH CRIMINAL!

 

[Duellist]

I dont know, Jackson was a weird dude and I always thought he was fucked up from how Joe treated him and the fact he did not have a childhood. He was obviously living out that in adulthood. However, not sure I really believe he molested kids though. This documentary IMO is nothing more than a cash grab and smear campaign from 2 people that were already proven to have lied about being molested by Jackson.

 

[JimmyRustler]

The ONLY reason they checked to see if I had been banned before was because I was making noise in that thread. They had no right to ban me BOTH times but especially in the Covington thread it was particularly bad as they had no legs to stand on to shut me EXCEPT for the fact they found out I had another account that was banned... I hate that place and the majority of people there who are quite content living in that bubble. Just read the Michael Jackson thread there with 1 particular person actively asking for people to be banned for not believing the victims! Do they ever learn???

It's you fools who will never learn.

DO. NOT. VISIT. THAT. SITE.

Le them and their site fade to indifference.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I’d be curious to hear thoughts on this clip



The impression I get from this clip is Bryan and Schaub think MJ maybe was a pedo but also think the two guys are just after money now....which I guess can coexist but seems to create a murkier picture.

They blame the parents, and I do too.

 

[DoctorEkkoUK]

To me there is no doubt MJ had a weird and actually inappropriate relationship with kids. Even if the 3 who have accused him are lying about the outright sexual abuse it is weird that he had kids in his bed and spent so much time alone with random kids. The whole "he is just a whimsical child like man" or thinks he's Peter Pan is no excuse the dude should not have acted that way. You can still be good to children and be childlike without going to that dodgy level he was. However I am still not 100% convinced he was an outright child molester or rapist. But I am like 90 something percent. my only doubts are really because of lack of hard evidence and when you look at people like Jimmy Saville as soon as it was out that people had come forward literally hundreds of other victims came forward. yet with MJ it seems just these 3. Maybe I'm wrong but they are the only ones I've heard of and all 3 seem to have motives or suspicious circumstances around their claims. I don't know. Maybe we will never find out for sure, but I really feel sorry for Paris and his other kids having to go through this right now.

 

[cryptoadam]

To me there is no doubt MJ had a weird and actually inappropriate relationship with kids. Even if the 3 who have accused him are lying about the outright sexual abuse it is weird that he had kids in his bed and spent so much time alone with random kids. The whole "he is just a whimsical child like man" or thinks he's Peter Pan is no excuse the dude should not have acted that way. You can still be good to children and be childlike without going to that dodgy level he was. However I am still not 100% convinced he was an outright child molester or rapist. But I am like 90 something percent. my only doubts are really because of lack of hard evidence and when you look at people like Jimmy Saville as soon as it was out that people had come forward literally hundreds of other victims came forward. yet with MJ it seems just these 3. Maybe I'm wrong but they are the only ones I've heard of and all 3 seem to have motives or suspicious circumstances around their claims. I don't know. Maybe we will never find out for sure, but I really feel sorry for Paris and his other kids having to go through this right now.

Thats where I am at with this. Even if he didn't sexually abuse these kids, he emotionally used them and was way inappropriate. Even kids acting like kids don't act the way he does with sleeping his bed and holding hands. I did sleep overs when I was young and I never slept in the same bed as my buddy or held his hand.

As I said he also emotionally used them. Sure the kids got some benefits, being at neverland, all those gifts, but Jackson was using them to fill a hole in his soul. And as we see with Wades story once he found a new boy he would discard the other one. So you tell these kids you love them want to be friends with them forever, give them gifts, have them stay in your giant 100 million dollar ranch with everything a kid wants. And then one day bye bye gone MJ isn't flying you around the world and having you live a fantasy life.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I mean, like I said earlier, the relationship with the kids was objectively weird as fuck, right? There's no real denying that, is there?

 

[Nelsin]

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[Ten_Fold]

So the parents let the kids go stay at mj’s house? Like I just can’t understand why would you let your kids do that? I’m not saying MJ did what he did but still is wild. Anyways I can’t wait for the next guy they are gonna go after.

 

[cryptoadam]

So the parents let the kids go stay at mj’s house? Like I just can’t understand why would you let your kids do that? I’m not saying MJ did what he did but still is wild. Anyways I can’t wait for the next guy they are gonna go after.

Well he was the biggest star in the world and rich. The parents were staying in his guest house and flying all over the place first class and getting limos.

When money is being flashed in front of you by a famous person you do stupid things.

 

[DForce]

Here is why I think the accusers are after money.

May 21, 2011

Wade Robson sends and e-mail hoping to be the lead choreographer for the Michael Jackson: ONE show.

July 30, 2011


Wade claims he's starting on the show in this video, where he states, "I’m starting on Cirque Du Soliel Michael Jackson show, so it’s the equivalent of the Beatles Love Show they have"


The documents state that he did not get the job, but it was actually given to someone else.

Months after being denied the job, he secretly shopping for a book deal late 2012, which eventually fell through.

He then decided to sue the estate for millions. He claims its not about money, yet there's proof that it was a lie. This started late 2012, less than a year after being denied the gig.



Sometime in 2011...

Wade was desperate for money. He started selling off his MJ items at an auctions and he wanted to do it anonymously. The items he burned during Leaving Neverland was fake because he sold the items years prior.



The auction director states that he cosigned his collection to them directly.




There so many lies he has told that it's hard to take him seriously. I've been reading about this stuff over the past few days and it's hard to trust him.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Here is some info about the the accusers. The guy who wrote this is investigative journalist:


I hope someone makes a documentary that tells these things. The accusers are not very believable.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wade only visited Neverland 8 times and Michael was only there for 4 of them. Documentary claims he was molested 100s of times by him though? What a joke.

The same Wade auditioned to be the lead choreograoher for Michael Jackson’s Cirque show after his death and only started saying these stories when he didn’t get the job.

I feel bad for the people who are dumb enough to believe anything because it is in a documentary format without doing any research.

I think people forget the Santa Barbara Police tried so hard to convict Michael yet all the evidence only pointed in his favor. Now a film maker thinks he can prove what a professional police department spent years attempting to prove? Yeah right.

Glad that Michael who was only guilty of being too naive and vulnerable, is not around to see this character attack.

Documentary is a cash grab.

You do realize Wade went on Tour with him too right?

 

[mckmas8808]

I dont know, Jackson was a weird dude and I always thought he was fucked up from how Joe treated him and the fact he did not have a childhood. He was obviously living out that in adulthood. However, not sure I really believe he molested kids though. This documentary IMO is nothing more than a cash grab and smear campaign from 2 people that were already proven to have lied about being molested by Jackson.

So the parents let the kids go stay at mj’s house? Like I just can’t understand why would you let your kids do that? I’m not saying MJ did what he did but still is wild. Anyways I can’t wait for the next guy they are gonna go after.

Guys think about what you are saying. If you are going to say that the parents shouldn't have left their kids with MJ alone and that MJ was super weird (especially around little kids), then why is it so hard to believe that he groped and had oral sex with little kids?

Like we ALL know Catholic priest have been caught doing it to little kids many times. Jerry Sandusky (Penn State Football coach) the same thing He was running youth camps for little boys. All these older men had close access to little boys and have been accused of sexually abusing and raping them. What do you guys think sexually abusing little boys look like? What would you imagine their playbook would be like to get close to little boys?

 

[Chandler55]

What kind of evidence was there against Cosby?

Conversely

How much evidence was there against OJ?

Cosby admitted to using sleeping pills. OJ's glove was definitely his but the prosecution f'ed that up badly. Nassar, RKelly, Sandusky all had child porn on their computers. Weinstein had audio logs.
Not saying MJ is innocent here but the doc wasn't enough to sway me

 

[Atrus]

The thing about the MJ accusations is the lack of consistency about the claims.

With priests, Weinstein, or even Bill Cosby, predators demonstrated a consistent and systematic approach to abuse.

With MJ you’ve got plenty of children who say nothing happened and the testimony of those that make claims are questionable due to inconsistencies (like outright recantations).

Feldman has made accusations against several men but despite that has not indicated the slightest accusation toward MJ, which would be easy to do at this point.

This situation reminds me of Lawrence Oates who sacrificed his life in futile during an Antarctic expedition. He left a heroic legacy until some woman claimed, well after his death, that he fathered a child with a 11 year old girl (her daughter).

No proof. Just unsubstantiated claims against a man who was dead for near a century till the accusation was made public.

Now Wikipedia has it cited under his ‘mentions in media’ section. All it takes is an accusation and suddenly everything you did or were is filed under ‘monsterous’.

 

[DForce]

I think we can all agree that Michael Jackson did not act "normal."

Michael Jackson sleeping in same bed with children does seem weird because that's typically what child molesters do. If Michael Jackson was alive today, I would definitely not allow my children to sleep in the same bed as him.

Since no one where knows exactly what happened, so it wouldn't be right to say with confidence that he did not molest any children.

Personally, I believe he did not molest any children. I'm confident that he didn't, but not 100%. confident because I was not there.

I look at Michael Jackson's past allegations and all of alleged victim's family wanted money. Michael Jackson settled with the 1993 accuser, but in 2005, the evidence from 1993 was used in that trail and Michael Jackson was found not guilty. So, right now, we see a pattern. All of the alleged victims and accusers wanted money and all of them proved to be liars.

Now what about Wade Robson?

Since I don't have any evidence that prove he was molested, then I have to see if this man is credible. When he gave an interview in the 90's and his testimony in 2005, he was confident and no one found any inconsistencies in his story.

But as soon as he changed his story, we're now finding a lot of inconsistencies and lies.

That is a problem for me. Yes, victims of child abuse often suffer from things and it's hard for them to remember what happened to them int the past. But for some reason, he lied about not knowing anything about the MJ estate prior to 2013?

That's just one lie of many, but the real problem is that all of this started when he didn't get his job at the lead choreographer on the Michael Jackson: ONE Cirque du Soleil show.

People say that alleged sexual assault is a pattern of a repeat sexual abuser, but what I'm saying is a pattern of so called "victims" trying to get money from Michael Jackson. They said over and over again that it's not about money, so why get a book deal when you're in financial trouble?

This is not proof that Wade was not molested, but i'm personally have a very, very difficult time taking him seriously.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Since no one where knows exactly what happened, so it wouldn't be right to say with confidence that he did not molest any children.

That sounds a bit like having to prove a negative to defend yourself. Since you can't prove unicorns don't exist, then we must assume that unicorns might exist. Thus MJ both is and isn't a child molester. Schrodenger's Baby Rapist.

I think it is right and fair to simply say, without convincing evidence to the contrary, it is inappropriate to call MJ a child molester. That is, he should receive the default standard of respect that we afford all people unless there is evidence to the contrary. If I went to the local PTA meeting and said of my daughters' school principal "I can't say with confidence that he isn't a child molester", I don't think I'd be doing anyone any favors.

 

[DForce]

That sounds a bit like having to prove a negative to defend yourself. Since you can't prove unicorns don't exist, then we must assume that unicorns might exist. Thus MJ both is and isn't a child molester. Schrodenger's Baby Rapist.

That's wrong.

Wade and Michael both confirmed that they slept in the same bed together, and that's a fact.

We cannot say this did or did not happen because only Wade knows the truth right now and he could either be telling the truth or lying. Since the events of them actually sleeping in the same bed together actually occurred, then no one can say for sure they know what happened while they were in the same bed sleeping together.