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[Warxard]

Fireblend called it a kneejerk reaction. Not Ferret.

Both Fireblend and Flush had voted for Darklighter well before this latest post. Ferret and me are the newest voters on him.

Point.

Now, I can't believe you'd agree with the fact that PRs should come forward. Mafia isn't going to disclose their powers, they aren't going to claim any PR that may be in the game already and can counterclaim them, and having a town PR come forward is absolute madness. Furthermore, from my experience there is no correlation at all between having a ton of claims on day 1 and whether we'll end up lynching scum or not today. Yes, we're most likely going to lynch a town member. That doesn't mean we have to act so desperately when we're at the point in the game when we outnumber mafia the most that we're going to start showing our cards.

Also, I find your and others' insistence that we're going nowhere in the game off-putting. Just because the different narratives don't particularly align with your interests or are pointing towards you as a target that doesn't mean they're not there, and I refuse to believe you're so blind as to need someone's claim's neon sign to see them. We're getting reads, we're getting fingers pointed, and that is enough of a direction for now. As I said, right now, by the numbers, town is winning.

I didn't say in my last post that those with PRs should come forward, however I do believe that more substantial discussion can be brought out of once people are using said PRs and when people are dying--which is why I quoted the first half of Darklighter's post. It's a valid, safe approach to at least the first day. Yes, the inactivity can hurt the town, that I agree with but only in the long run cases (and judging by the stretch-outs of the day this is going to be a loooooong game!). Pointing fingers ... at least, in the early stages can be helpful considering the scenario we are in now.

If I implied or said directly that we're getting nowhere with the game due to prior comments, please show them to me!

 

[Sorian]

I have a post at the bottom of the last page (on 50ppp), people should read it.

 

[Sorian]

I didn't say in my last post that those with PRs should come forward, however I do believe that more substantial discussion can be brought out of once people are using said PRs and when people are dying--which is why I quoted the first half of Darklighter's post. It's a valid, safe approach to at least the first day. Yes, the inactivity can hurt the town, that I agree with but only in the long run cases (and judging by the stretch-outs of the day this is going to be a loooooong game!). Pointing fingers ... at least, in the early stages can be helpful considering the scenario we are in now.

Kind of coming off of my last big post. The point of the first day is to set groundwork so that deaths actually matter. If scum kills someone at night but they gave no real opinions during the day then we learn nothing from their death. If they make no connections, suspect no one, trust no one, then we just come into the following day scratching our heads on why they died and realizing that scum made a move to give us the least amount of information as possible.

 

[TL21xx]

So yes, I understand the motivation behind the policy lynch but I also still want to hunt scum. TL21xx on the other hand has provided a fairly safe reads list IMO. He didn't really rock the boat too much on opinions in there from what I saw and it all seemed like very surface level reads. I'm feeling more confident with my vote at the moment.

I worked on that list for two hours.... ='(

And what do you expect, it's day 1, all reads are gonna be surface to some extent. There isn't a solid history yet except that you're gonna drive a legit screw up into the ground until you get me killed.

 

[Sorian]

VOTE: Mike_Hawk689

Just seems like someone with very safe opinions. I'll be busy the next hour and might post something more detailed later tonight.

I know you said you might post more later tonight but are you coming back with much? You poked your head in to correct people about Seath but I feel like you've been trying to take a step back on things.

In the same vein, where the fuck did Squidy go?

 

[Fireblend]

If I implied or said directly that we're getting nowhere with the game due to prior comments, please show them to me!

You claim to agree with Darklight's position on PRs, which is that, and I quote:

As no roles/powers/abilities (what do you call them?) have been used, there is no information to go off of on day 1

There really can't be substantial discussion until players start using their roles.

 

[Fireblend]

Sorry, hit reply earlier. Basically Darklighter's position is that there is no real discussion, until people start using their PRs. Or are you supporting people claiming for claiming's sake?

Let me know if i'm reading anything you've said wrong. Or Darklight, since you apparently know what he's thinking!

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Kind of coming off of my last big post. The point of the first day is to set groundwork so that deaths actually matter. If scum kills someone at night but they gave no real opinions during the day then we learn nothing from their death. If they make no connections, suspect no one, trust no one, then we just come into the following day scratching our heads on why they died and realizing that scum made a move to give us the least amount of information as possible.

Interesting. So, failing we weed out any likely scum suspects, it sounds like the best option would be to lynch the player flying the furthest under the radar, since it'd clear out a possible "safe" kill that scum could make to leave us guessing for another day.

 

[UltraJay]

This took my way longer than I would like. I need to go to bed! Also, I don't believe I'm very good at reading people AT ALL. A lot of the players I'm just drawing a blank on... or they are suspicious but I don't know WHY. Seeing what happens Day 2 is going to be a big help.

StanleyPalmtree - Should be more active soon. Not jumping on him just yet.

UltraJay - What's this guy's deal? Seems too agreeable to me. Seriously, does Mafia bring out your true nature? That's deep.

Trigger - Had weird reactions when pressed. On my list but not near the top.

Unmasked Ferret - They are alright in my book right now. Was on Flush until they changed to Darklighter. Biggs must be feeling the pressure.

Darklighter - My vote is on him and staying for the moment. We need more interaction from him. More thoughts about what's going on. Not this flat out dismissal of Day 1. It's like he wants to get lynched.

Boo Boo'n - I don't believe he has changed his vote from Ferret. He was awfully quick to defend Darklighter as well.

Karu - Come back before you are culled from the herd. You need to post more than your daily allotment if you want to survive.

TL21xx: Sorian is really tight on him right now. Will observe their interactions. I think his slip up was just that... a slip up. But I could be wrong.

Ty4on: Have no idea. They are active but are they helpful? I'd like to see some more reads from them.

Pop-O-Matic: I don't even know why they seem problematic to me. Will watch. I agree with him on Seath but I still find Seath to be a problem.

AbsolutBro: Should be more active soon. Picked out StanleyPalmtree who I didn't even realize was PLAYING. Not leaning either towards scum to me... yet.

Mike_Hawk689: He had some good advice about Mafia in general, but I haven't liked a single one of his posts on the state of the game. He is one of my potential vote targets.

Mazre: Nothing alarming, but I'd like to see what he's got when he wakes up. Going for a long shot on the No Lynch crowd with I don't disagree with.

Razmos: Needs to come back so I can see their reaction to what's currently happening. A lot of these current missing people all seem to "hate Day 1". You could at least come back to the discussion a bit more no matter how dull you find it. Raz's read is currently fading on my right now.

ScraftyDevil: I need more to be able to get through the RPing. Shouldn't have gotten off of Darklighter (heh heh) and her reasoning doesn't make sense. It's like she just pick gryvan out of a "low posters that can be safely voted on" hat. Need more on her reasoning. If she's town then she needs to explain her reasoning on both of her vote targets. Wondering if her character is tied to her role.

Seath: Seath.... Seath Seath Seath. The hell you doin' man? Was your master plan a joke or are you desperately trying to save face?

Coppanuva: Could be a suave scum or a handsome townie. Backed off Darklighter immediately after I found his history. He was the reason I did it in the first place. Was I steered toward this course of action? He's on Seath now and I don't disagree with his vote. I don't want Seath dead yet though. I refuse to believe that a scum would act that dense.

squidyj: Hasn't posted on recent proceedings yet so I have no idea. Was pretty aggressive and that could be a valuable weapon if he is town. No reason to believe otherwise at the moment.

Sorian: Could be a wolf in sheep's clothing. However his posts are too informative and his questions too pressing to get rid of him this early. If he is town, losing him would be a terrible blow. If scum, careful analysis of his voting habits after a few lynchings and night killings are needed. Especially if it can point to others.

Setre: Hasn't participated since yesterday morning (my time). Should be coming back soon hopefully can be convinced to back off No Lynch. Acted on a "soft claim" really strangely. Was pretty defensive about it and that whole not killing anyone thing.

Fireblend: Moved onto Darklighter just like me. Seems helpful as it stands and for the moment isn't on anyone's shit list.

gryvan: His No Lynch vote is useless. He must know that by now. He is only hurting us by keeping it there. He could be a potential kill target if he isn't scum. Or a lynching from us for hurting the town.

Spoiler

For the Greater Good.

Royal_Flush: I'm agreeing with him on Darklighter at the moment. It seems Darklighter was his first and only vote so far. Not seeing anything weird at the moment and I don't think I've sided with scum against Biggs at the moment.

 

[Sorian]

Interesting. So, failing we weed out any likely scum suspects, it sounds like the best option would be to lynch the player flying the furthest under the radar, since it'd clear out a possible "safe" kill that scum could make to leave us guessing for another day.

That's one school of thought and that's where the vote that is bubbling for Darklighter is coming from. The other school of thought is to make a "hard" decision so that players split themselves off into the camp of lynch him/her or don't lynch him/her. Whether they get lynched right then or not isn't the biggest deal in the world but they will probably flip eventually and when they do looking back at who wanted that person gone or not gone and their reasoning can be a strong foundation for a new read.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

That's one school of thought and that's where the vote that is bubbling for Darklighter is coming from. The other school of thought is to make a "hard" decision so that players split themselves off into the camp of lynch him/her or don't lynch him/her. Whether they get lynched right then or not isn't the biggest deal in the world but they will probably flip eventually and when they do looking back at who wanted that person gone or not gone and their reasoning can be a strong foundation for a new read.

The sad part is that, between Darklighter being targeted so early and his admittedly & frustratingly un-informative posts things are slowly shifting from the former to the latter regarding him.

 

[Warxard]

I find your amusement amusing. You realize that people play mafia without power roles right? Juts good old talking, reads, and deduction. People that think PRs are going to save the day are a hindrance to town. All they do is sit there hoping that someone will spoon feed them the answer. That's not how it works.

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So I see while we were sleeping that Darklighter came to the front. While I'm not particularly sold that he might be scum like I am with TL21xx, I can admit that early days is the best time to policy lynch on inactivity. Stanley has come in and given a real reason for his inactivity but Dark just came by and gave us a dealwithit.gif and then handwaved it away as not everyone needs to be checking the thread 24/7. I'm aware that not everyone needs to post the way that I do but he has self admitted that he will show up once a day and those one a day posts are a whole lot of nothing so while his post count is increasing, that doesn't change the fact that he is saying nothing.

So yes, I understand the motivation behind the policy lynch but I also still want to hunt scum. TL21xx on the other hand has provided a fairly safe reads list IMO. He didn't really rock the boat too much on opinions in there from what I saw and it all seemed like very surface level reads. I'm feeling more confident with my vote at the moment.

I can agree with that at the very least. Darklighter does come off as assholish in that post sure but,:

You claim to agree with Darklight's position on PRs, which is that, and I quote:

My comments here:

I'd argue that Darklighter's first half of his voice is an entirely reasonable, and even safe approach to the discussion at hand so singling out Darklighter for the sake of having someone to press against seems kind of confrontational especially considering the amount of votes you have on you.

I believe Darklighter's comment on role use is perfectly valid for the first day.

is something I am going to stick with. For the first day, at least all of the werewolf games I've played before (never did plain Mafia) the discussion gets more heated once dudes start dying and roles are being used.

 

[Sorian]

I can agree with that at the very least. Darklighter does come off as assholish in that post sure but,:



My comments here:



is something I am going to stick with. For the first day, at least all of the werewolf games I've played before (never did plain Mafia) the discussion gets more heated once dudes start dying and roles are being used.

Definitely, we will have more to go on as days go on. The whole reason a lot of us push for a lynch day 1 is so that the first day isn't totally useless. If we all hold hands and vote no lynch then we lose our first day and day 2 comes along with a lot less information in the barrel than we could have had.

I will also say that Fireblend pushing you is weird. Not the act but the reason, he keeps trying to say that both you and Dark want PRs to reveal. I don't think I saw either of you say that. I see that you both wants PRs to start working but that doesn't translate to start revealing right away.

 

[Coppanuva]

Hey Mike_Hawk, what's up with the different reaction between Seath and Trigger's claims?

Forgot to add the part about Seath "slip". I also don't believe that was an accident.
Probably just trying to fake claim as a regular townie to stay low on scum radar.
But everything is good now the balance is back since no one knows what master plan he has.

Here you say you don't believe it was an accident and think it's a fake claim as a townie.

[Highlight=]Vote: Trigger

I can't let that "I'm just an ordinary townie" slide, not enough defense and too easy of a claim. I'm voting you to get more info. Please dont turbo!

Here you say you won't let it slide because Trigger didn't "defend" it? Whats up with that? What makes you willing to let Seath's slide, but not Trigger's?

Spoiler

Also edited the part out that might have spoiled part of Fallout 4 for me

 

[Sorian]

Hey Mike_Hawk, what's up with the different reaction between Seath and Trigger's claims?



Here you say you don't believe it was an accident and think it's a fake claim as a townie.



Here you say you won't let it slide because Trigger didn't "defend" it? Whats up with that? What makes you willing to let Seath's slide, but not Trigger's?

Spoiler

Also edited the part out that might have spoiled part of Fallout 4 for me

Very early spoiler but may feel late because (as I am doing) they release you out into a world and I don't really give two shits about the main storyline

 

[Coppanuva]

Hey I got my reads list ready!

Here's my reads list right now. First, these are the people who I remembered literally nothing about: StanleyPalmtree, Karu, Setre. Similarly, DarkLighter (though I remember he made that 1 crazy post)/

StanleyPalmtree - He made 1 fluff post, and then came back and had a reason sort of. I'd like to hear his opinion on some of the more recent happenings before day's end. Right now he's a null for me, because of inactivity.

UltraJay - I'm leaning town on him. Despite his time zone difficulties, he's been trying to get people to talk despite it, and has contributed some good informaiton. He's actively posting, which is looking like enough for right now.

Trigger - Hasn't really contributed much here at all. Placed a vote down for R_F at one point, then said he'd move it to another target later. Hasn't moved it . There was also that whole "I'm an ordinary town!" claim which was ill advised and kind of odd. It was extremely quick after Squidy's claim, which can read like panic easily. I'm slight scu here, maybe just made some badplays though.

Unmasked Ferret - He played it really cool when pressure was on him. I'm really REALLY bad at judging these types of players. I didn't like him not replying to Squidy earlier, but I'm willing to let it slide for the time being since there are other people I think we should lynch now. If this continues, he moves up my scum list.

Darklighter - That post was weird, so was the second. He isn't really responding to anything in the game at all, just sorta did a lot of hand-waving. That's all I got for him. Not a huge loss if we lynch.

Boo Boo'n - The biggest thing I dislike is he said this to squidy's claim about Trigger/Razmos:
That confidence is gonna gnab you, fella. Throwing out names for the heck of it, then downplaying it by brushing off for later.

He didn't react at all after squidy came back and explained it. This sticks out to me as something to remember. I'm not getting strong town reads here, slight scum.
Karu - I can't remember a single post off the top of my head. Looking back I noticed the whole highlighting debacle (which I'm willing to ignore as a mere format concern). He does mention that the town's plan of attack would likely be to: "Isolate people who seem pretty safe and then choose from the rest, I guess."
Then doesn't post much since.

TL21xx - Went in on Seath then dropped it after he posted once. Something about his reactions to Seath seem very off to me. He moved his vote off Seath the second he said anything, and just pocketed it. For someone who just "wants to get people talking to get more information", that goes against his strategy. After Seath's ordinary claim, he said he started regretting moving it off, only to come back and say he decided it was a newbie mistake. Mainly, I don't see his actions lining up with his words. I'm leaning slight scum here, but only very slightly.

Ty4on - Hasn't really said much. He's one of the more active quiets, but he's real quiet. I'm curious to hear his opinion on Mike_Hawk now, since his vote is on him.

Pop-O-Matic - He's posted some, then said he'll be quiet the rest of this day (did he mean phase?). I don't really read one way or the other on this.

AbsolutBro - Another quiet, though due to personal issues. His fewposts have seemed good to me though, so right now I'm leaning soft town here.

Mike_Hawk689 - He's been quiet, and safe when he did talk. He was more active finally and I liked what he was saying. He voted on Trigger for the ordinary claim, but hand-waved Seath's as an "intentional claim" and seems to believe in Seath's "Master Plan". I'm confused at this discrepency.

Mazre - I don't remember much about the first few days of this phase, but later on he's been playing well. I don't see much that stands out to me right now, I'll go town on him.

Razmos - Radio silence since defending himself from squidy. yeah he was called out for making himself too visible, but this is way too far on the opposite. I want more posts this last 24 hours. Verdict: Neutral, slight scum.

ScraftyDevil - UGH THAT WRITING STYLE. I'm debating immediately posting a translation every time she posts now. That said, nothing she's said has stood out as being scummy, just annoying to read, though it's hard to say. I'm going to have to look past the flavor tomorrow. Slightest of town, maybe neutral on her.

Seath - I... I don't know. Hasn't posted too much until that last slip-up about claiming ordinary. I have a hard time believing it's a master plan personally, and it bothers me he did the same thing after we all attacked Trigger for it earlier. Either way, he's not my target of choice today. I'm willing to bet he'd slip up sometime soon if he is scum.

squidyj - I liked Squidy's ballsiness of calling people out as scum early on. It might have been unfounded, but as far as I can remember he was the first person to call ANYBODY out. That's putting yourself out there, I can't see mafia doing that. That said, POST MORE. Verdict: Town.

Sorian - Sorian gonna Sorian. He's leading conversation, maybe a bit less successfully than in other games, since people are responding less. That said, I don't believe he's scum right now. I see some people think he's scummy for doing this, but I don't. Verdict: Town.

Setre - Called FIreblend out early mistakenly. That's all I remember, has been REALLY quiet lately. Verdict: Null.

Fireblend - the things that stuck out the most to me were him yelling at Seath for that claim OUT OF NOWHERE (I agree with it), and him pushing Scrafty's allegiance away. Between that and some of his more recent posts, I'm leaning slight town on him.

gryvan - A less active poster in terms of contributing, he's also been responsive to questions. I'm going slight town here, but he's in a swing position.

Royal_Flush - I find him placing a vote on DarkLighter hoping to get him to talk more odd. Not because of the behavior, but because Darklighter has proven himself to not respond to these well. I can't really get a good read on R_F yet. Null for now.


In summary, I have 2 categories of lynch targets. Barring anything super suspicious coming out, I expect these to be pretty close to my lists for phase end.
If we wanna go lynching an inactive player, I'm voting for one of these 3, in descending priority order:
Darklighter - too little activity, what's there is way too high level to be helping much.
Setre - Tried to call out Fireblend early on, then has just been kinda really quiet after, I don't think we lose too much.
StanleyPalmTree - He says he has an excuse, but has posted now. If he hasn't contributed anything by the day's end, he moves up to Setre's spot. If he contributes more, I'll keep him here for the time being.

If we want to toss the dice and vote for someone we think is scum:
Trigger - That claim reads a bit too much like a knee jerk reaction.
Boo Boo'n - Not reacting to Squidy's reasoning stuck out to me as a bit odd. Could be potential scum trying not to overreact.
TL21xx - The inconsistency between his stated strategy and his actions is too out of place to me, strikes me as a bit odd.

I expect to have my vote on one of those 6, unless something else comes up by end of day. It's 24 more hours so that's entirely possible.


For now, I still want Mike_Hawk to answer the question I just asked. So in interest of that:
VOTE: Mike_Hawk689

 

[Coppanuva]

Very early spoiler but may feel late because (as I am doing) they release you out into a world and I don't really give two shits about the main storyline

Yeah it wasn't really a huge deal, first thing I did was try to see if Bethesda included my university in the game. They didn't.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Dear Diary,

Like, gag me with a spoon.

I gave Darklighter like, the benefit of the doubt once he started talking finally but he's still acting like, suuuuuuper weird and only speaking up like, the bare minimum number of times. Both of his votes seem like, totally random and as much as I'd like, think it'd be super if he explained himself I kiiiiiinda doubt that that's gonna like, happen anytime soon. Like, I totally think the best way to make him talk is to make the concequence for silence like, totally nasty but at the same time, he like, seems like the type who doesn't make friends in public so I dunno if his death would be as flange as I'd want it to be.

I was gonna like, put a vote on StanleyPalmtree to see if he knew any good spas in town but he like, showed up while I was off shopping so I guess I'll be able to ask him myself!~

Karu still hasn't said much since he like, votes for me but that's totally fetch because he did it before we like, knew that whoever got the most votes got hella murked. Where you at, dude? I know you probably like, voted for me cuz I'm the prettiest but I'd like, like to know if that vote still stands or not.

And like, oh-em-gee, apparently guy named Seath started talking crazy while I was away! That seems like, totes suspicious but he could just be like, a dag so I'll be sure to like, keep an eye on him.

Anyway, I've like, gotta run, but hopefully things get like, more interesting today.

Love and peace,

Lucy "Scrafty" Diablos

VOTE: Darklighter

 

[Sorian]

Scrafty isn't wrong about Karu, I didn't even put him on my reads list because I remembered nothing about him but he is in the inactive camp with Dark and Stanley.

 

[RetroMG]

Very early spoiler but may feel late because (as I am doing) they release you out into a world and I don't really give two shits about the main storyline

I always kind of feel bad when I play Fallout. I'm like, "Main story? Missing Child? Revenge quest? Screw it, let's build a house!"

I honestly play Fallout more like Minecraft than anything.

(Ooh, I should get back into Minecraft. Or Starbound. Would other people play on a Gafia Minecraft/Starbound server?)

*ahem* I mean, back to the game.

 

[Setre]

Off to bed soon but as stated earlier it's vote time:

VOTE: Setre

This is a long shot play. As I stated previously, I feel it's low odds that theres a mafia in our currently small no lynch group of Setre and gryvan. That said if I'm gonna take a long shot I wanna do it early in the game. I'm giving my vote to setre over gryvan as gryvan was the first to declare interest in no lynch, has been quieter of late, and gryvan is new to gafia so he's getting a little day 1 leeway (all such considerations are off come day 2.)

Hello! I'm your long shot play, huh? I like it.

And I just ruined my post by epic GIF exit by forgetting to vote...

I'm joining in with Mazre for the longshot.

VOTE: Setre

Hello to you too! Not much I can say to convince either of you, seeing as how I'm not a persuasive person, other than you're wasting your votes.

Setre: Hasn't participated since yesterday morning (my time). Should be coming back soon hopefully can be convinced to back off No Lynch. Acted on a "soft claim" really strangely. Was pretty defensive about it and that whole not killing anyone thing.

I haven't been convinced yet, friend. In fact here's my vote.

VOTE: No Lynch

As far as Seath goes I don't blame him. I understand his thinking, like he said all everyone is doing is pointing fingers and yelling. But Fireblend and Sorian make good points, now the Mafia knows who not to kill. Maybe Seath will survive long enough to bring them all down though, who knows?

 

[Sorian]

Real talk, I'm going to confuse Seath and Setre at some point, please correct me when that happens.

Setre, you aren't new. Without me having to go back and dig through an old thread, can you tell me if you have always been in the no lynch camp and if not, why you feel differently this time?

 

[Fireblend]

Alright then, it's time for a special edition of Children's Fun Fact Science Corner! We interviewed kids at the local Night Vale elementary school/thought indoctrination center, asking for their opinions on a series of minor local celebrities. Let's see how they responded!

...

Hmmm, wait. I'm now receiving reports that the kids claim to know nothing of this people. Apparently, they're not, in fact, local celebrities at all! This has all been a terrible misunderstanding.

This has been the Children's Fun Fact Science Corner.

StanleyPalmtree - A non-entity due to inactiveness. I've been in a position where real life has prevented me from posting on the first day before, so I can relate, but it's not helpful to town.

UltraJay - Seems to be sticking to safe options and joining others on their thoughts without having many original ones; I predict he's likely to bandwagon, but that's not necessarily a bad thing right now as he seems to be mostly agreeable.

Trigger - I don't feel as strongly about him as others like Sorian or Squidy do (the fact that there's some people onto him also makes me feel like I'm free to focus on other people), but if the posts of his that initially raised suspicion didn't do it for me, his defensive posts since definitely have. I feel like my pressure is better placed elsewhere, but on my watchlist for sure.

Unmasked Ferret - Very passive, very under the radar, it's gonna be a null read from me but not in a good way. He's posted enough that I know he's reading the thread, but not frequently or substantially enough for me to have a clear read.

Darklighter - I currently have my vote on him for reasons that should be pretty clear. If he's not being willfully damaging to town, then he's just ignorant and refusing to hear reason, an even worse scenario. He's blatantly disregarded comments on his post, used his vote as a way to retaliate against votes on him, and asked for PRs to come forward. The only reason I'll be taking my vote off him is because I really believe he can't be part of any group of people that would stop him from acting like that.

Boo Boo'n - Jumped in defense of Darklighter almost on instinct. He's at least a bit more active, but his positions are similarly worrying to Darklighter's. A bit more unsure on him, he comes across as a bit more honest in his newbieness.

Karu - A non-entity. No read.

TL21xx - I think Sorian's justification for voting for him is solid. His slip-up could be nothing more than that, but if he was scum, lynching him now would be akin to hitting the jackpot. No reason to push any further since Sorian's already on it. It's worth noting he posted a reads list and I'm inclined to be a bit more trusting of those who do.

Ty4on - Another player that's doing a great job of flying under the radar; posting just enough to not fall in the inactive category, but not enough to produce any clear reads.

Pop-O-Matic - Honestly I haven't been paying attention to him. I know he voted for Scrafty, who is also on my list, because her character seems annoying to him (and I mostly agree though lynching her isn't on the cards for me atm). Other than that a null read.

AbsolutBro - I'm cautious of him. He's posted only a few times but his posts have substance so he comes across as a good player. Like Sorian, if he's scum we don't want to lynch him now because he's being useful. So far, town.

Mazre - Not feeling much one way or another, although I did find it odd that he placed me in his "the rest" category in his reads when I think I've been posting enough to make an impression. That hurt :'(

Razmos - Squidy pointed his finger at him earlier, but that I think told me more about Squidy than it did about Razmos, and I said as much as a response. Other than that he's been inactive since he defended himself from that.

ScraftyDevil - I feel uneasy about her because of her character and how fluffly her posts came across to me during the beginning of the game, but her latest posts make me think she got the message and has started to find a better style-substance ratio that I feel more comfortable with.

Seath - He's high on my scum list. He fucked up last night (IRL) by claiming ordinary town and when confronted tried to cover it up with an obvious "haha it was all a plan!" claim - two not very smart moves in a row. That is enough for me to not trust him one bit.

Mike_Hawk689 - I think he did some damage control on behalf of Seath's claim and subsequent "plan" claim when I called him out that didn't sit right with me (that's why I moved his name down here). Other than that he seemed to be playing quietly but keeping a predictable pace. He's sitting right in the edge of what "flying under the radar" feels like for me. At least I recognize his name.

Coppanuva - Generally helpful. I'd place him with Royal Flush in terms of how much they come across as town to me. Right now I'm not paying much attention to him because he's keeping a nice posting pace and not trying to drive any particular narrative or coming off as manipulative in any way.

squidyj - What happened to Squidy? He was doing so well at the beginning but I can't recall any posts of him yesterday. Leaning town, he was being bold with his finger-pointing, asking good questions and helping push forward. Hope he comes back and goes back to his previous pace.

Sorian - Sorian's gonna Sorian. He's the same player in every game I've played with him. There were some comments on his aggression level being lower than in previous games at the start of the day, but I feel like he's warming up now that the discussion is, too. Similar read to AbsolutBro. Useful, but watch for actions that may be him trying to push a particular narrative. Leaning town.

Setre - Super quiet. No read. Fake edit: He posted right before I did. Thanks! Setre - Another reactionary post to votes against him, and an odd defense of Seath that makes me that much likely to vote for him just because now I'm curious about people soft-defending him.

Fireblend - Just your average bathroom-inhabiting, hovering cat with lovely grownup-kitty spine ridges, and a fur cusp as radiant and sticky as any cat’s has ever been. Awwwww.

gryvan - He's showing his newbieness but that doesn't clear him or give him a pass. In fact I find it disagreeable that he seems to be one of the few players still sitting on a No Lynch vote, but then again that's a common position for first-timers. Sorian seems to trust him on the basis that one if his posts made it seem like he has no team support, but I think that's a risky bet. It's good enough on the short-term though, i guess.

Royal_Flush - Similar thoughts to coppa. Generally helpful, decent activity levels, non-threatening for now. Leaning town.

I hope I didn't miss or confuse anyone. Feedback is appreciated.

 

[RetroMG]

Alright then, it's time for a special edition of Children's Fun Fact Science Corner! We interviewed kids at the local Night Vale elementary school/thought indoctrination center, asking for their opinions on a series of minor local celebrities. Let's see how they responded!

...

Hmmm, wait. I'm now receiving reports that the kids claim to know nothing of this people. Apparently, they're not, in fact, local celebrities at all! This has all been a terrible misunderstanding.

This has been the Children's Fun Fact Science Corner.

...

[ANNOYED GLARE]

 

[Fireblend]

As far as Seath goes I don't blame him. I understand his thinking, like he said all everyone is doing is pointing fingers and yelling. But Fireblend and Sorian make good points, now the Mafia knows who not to kill. Maybe Seath will survive long enough to bring them all down though, who knows?

I was going to pair this with your read in my previous post, but I think a separate post is more appropriate because it applies to more people than just you:

Here's a tip: yelling and pointing fingers is what the game's about for now. I feel like a broken record saying this, but the more you do, the more info you'll be leaving town when you get killed. This isn't about surviving 'til the end, this is about providing the most information you can, even after you have to stop posting. In fact, surviving until the end is a sign that Mafia considers you non-threatening and a bad player that won't be able to win the game. And I say that as someone who has played through 2 end-of-game days

This game is about providing and controlling information. No one is going to single-handedly win if the players who came before didn't leave valuable information, or if they can't handle and interpret hat information properly. There is "surviving long enough to bring (the scum team) down".

 

[Fireblend]

...

[ANNOYED GLARE]

Pff, at least I write my own material.

 

[Warxard]

I have to stay confident in these kinds of games, Sorian. As confident as a mullet-topped Jean Claude Van Damme

 

[Sorian]

...

[ANNOYED GLARE]

Pff, at least I write my own material.

Oh damn! Do we get a mod kill day one? Stay tuned!

I have to stay confident in these kinds of games, Sorian. As confident as a mullet-topped Jean Claude Van Damme

I appreciate that you keep trying to poke the bear. As silly as it sounds, I doubt mafia would keep doing this, I already moved on from you little one but you keep following me. Not particularly amazing evidence but it tells me some things.

 

[RetroMG]

Oh damn! Do we get a mod kill day one? Stay tuned!

As satisfying as it would be, it's not worth the effort for mild annoyance.

 

[Fireblend]

Oh damn! Do we get a mod kill day one? Stay tuned!

I'm feeling genuinely bad about that post D: I got caught in the excitement of the moment and turned all meanie. Sorry Retro

 

[Sorian]

As satisfying as it would be, it's not worth the effort for mild annoyance.

No effort at all. Here I'll start you off

MODKILL: Fireblend[/highlight ]

All you have to do is remove the space and then copy and paste from your word document or spreadsheet. Easy peasy.

Spoiler

Don't actually do this, I'm being facetious

 

[RetroMG]

I'm feeling genuinely bad about that post D: I got caught in the excitement of the moment and turned all meanie. Sorry Retro

No worries, I wasn't really annoyed. It was funny.

 

[RetroMG]

MODKILL: Sorian

Did I do it right?

Spoiler

BTW, Scrafty turned me on to epic Undertale covers and remixes, so, you know, the Weather's taken care of for the rest of the game.

 

[roytheone]

As satisfying as it would be, it's not worth the effort for mild annoyance.

Always be lynching Modkilling Fireblend!

 

[Setre]

(Ooh, I should get back into Minecraft. Or Starbound. Would other people play on a Gafia Minecraft/Starbound server?)

Is there still a GAF server for Starbound?

Real talk, I'm going to confuse Seath and Setre at some point, please correct me when that happens.

Setre, you aren't new. Without me having to go back and dig through an old thread, can you tell me if you have always been in the no lynch camp and if not, why you feel differently this time?

S'alright, I'm already confused!

Yes, in Star Wars I was against voting someone out on the first day. I even tried to get people to use an RNG style system but was shot down. I did end up voting on the first day though and didn't hold to my not wanting to vote for someone. But a lot of shit happened in Star Wars on the first day, so that's my defense.

Setre - Super quiet. No read. Fake edit: He posted right before I did. Thanks! Setre - Another reactionary post to votes against him, and an odd defense of Seath that makes me that much likely to vote for him just because now I'm curious about people soft-defending him.

Happy to oblige and make myself look even more suspicious.

Just wanted to defend Seath because I can see where he's coming from. That's all. You can read into if you like.

I was going to pair this with your read in my previous post, but I think a separate post is more appropriate because it applies to more people than just you:

Here's a tip: yelling and pointing fingers is what the game's about for now. I feel like a broken record saying this, but the more you do, the more info you'll be leaving town when you get killed. This isn't about surviving 'til the end, this is about providing the most information you can, even after you have to stop posting. In fact, surviving until the end is a sign that Mafia considers you non-threatening and a bad player that won't be able to win the game. And I say that as someone who has played through 2 end-of-game days

This game is about providing and controlling information. No one is going to single-handedly win if the players who came before didn't leave valuable information, or if they can't handle and interpret hat information properly. There is "surviving long enough to bring (the scum team) down".

I understand that, and maybe this is just my own stupidity, but I don't see that we've learned anything from pointing and yelling. Everyone is holding their cards to close to their chest. But again I come from Star Wars and that game was cray cray, so maybe this is how a regular Mafia game goes.

 

[Fireblend]

Spoiler

BTW, Scrafty turned me on to epic Undertale covers and remixes, so, you know, the Weather's taken care of for the rest of the game.

I want to correct my previous Scrafty read. She's pretty alright.

Spoiler

I'm kidding. My read stands.

 

[Sorian]

MODKILL: Sorian

Did I do it right?

Spoiler

BTW, Scrafty turned me on to epic Undertale covers and remixes, so, you know, the Weather's taken care of for the rest of the game.

Oh man!

Can't go back on it now!

Spoiler

Go back on it now pls

Spoiler

When do we get an awesome megalovania remix?

 

[RetroMG]

Oh man!

Can't go back on it now!

Spoiler

Go back on it now pls

Spoiler

When do we get an awesome megalovania remix?

It only counts if I'm recording it. So it totally counts doesn't count.

Spoiler

I'm sure this isn't what you mean, but I'm listening to an awesome slow piano version of Megalovania right now that someone wrote lyrics to about Sans confronting the protagonist at the end of a Genocide path. But we should probably take any further discussion of this to Outer Gafia so we stop derailing the game.

 

[AbsolutBro]

In fact it almost sounds like he wants PRs to come forward "so we can have a substantial conversation". I don't see my vote moving anytime soon.

If this is Darklighter's first game, it's not really an uncommon sentiment. Lots of players, early on, really want concrete evidence and hard proof. It's only after playing a few times that you really fully realize that there will rarely be hard evidence, and when there is it's usually very short lived. It's pretty much the same reason that people tend to go No Lynch when they start playing, but after awhile realize that lynching someone day 1 is the way to go.

Fake edit: I just looked at recent posts below the reply box and apparently you all have added a page before/while I was typing this. Posting it anyway.

 

[Sorian]

If this is Darklighter's first game, it's not really an uncommon sentiment. Lots of players, early on, really want concrete evidence and hard proof. It's only after playing a few times that you really fully realize that there will rarely be hard evidence, and when there is it's usually very short lived. It's pretty much the same reason that people tend to go No Lynch when they start playing, but after awhile realize that lynching someone day 1 is the way to go.

Fake edit: I just looked at recent posts below the reply box and apparently you all have added a page before/while I was typing this. Posting it anyway.

I agree with you completely but then Setre is a vet and is still in no lynch camp. It at least seems characteristic so while I do think he is wrong, I can't really say it is scummy.

 

[AbsolutBro]

Also Retro: if you like Starbound/Minecraft/Terraria you should try Nom Nom Galaxy. It's basically starbound/terraria, but mission based so the games don't drag on super long.

 

[Trigger]

Some of my scattered reads:

Sorian, Coppa, Fireblend - I'm leaning town here. I'm going to group them together for now because they've been contributing to the conversation well enough. I don't think scum would be so quick to point out mistakes that could hurt town. It'd be smarter to just let all the randomness fly. I suppose on the flip side one or more of them could be scum using Day 1 to set themselves up as trustworthy.

Seath- His posts make me feel confident in saying he's town. I don't see his posting as some highly clever scum tactic. He's not helping town, but I don't think it's worth lynching him today.

AbsolutBro, Royal Flush - Null reads for me right now. I'm not particularly suspicious of them, but they haven't given me many reasons to feel confident that they are town.

Scrafty - I feel like she's purposely flying under the radar. I can't really tell if the somewhat flippant response to questioning is a part of the persona. I definitely don't think she's ordinary town.

Karu, StanleyPalmtree - I genuinely forgot that they were playing until I checked the OP for a list of members. Whereas I'm not very suspicious of AbsolutBro and Flush, I think there's still reason to be suspicious of them.

gryvan, Setre - I understand their logic, but fully disagree. No lynching on the first day doesn't help us in any significant way. If either one make's it to Day 2 I expect to see more from them. We can't be reactive forever. Not lynching Day 1 and then not being helpful past that is definitely scummy.

squidyj- Very aggressive and put me on the defensive. If nothing else it was a great way of prodding us into action. I can't say that clears him of suspicion though.

Boo Boo'n - I don't really understand his logic. I've been read and reread his posts, but I'm not sure what his angle is.

TL21xx- He's been on the defensive. His responses don't read like scum to me at all.

Pop - Middle of the road poster who hasn't rubbed me the wrong way. Leaning towards town for now.

Mike_Hawk689 - Very safe posting. Not necessarily rocking the boat. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was a mafia member trying to stay in the middle of the road.

Darklight- Scummy. Very scummy, but I can't really tell if that's because he is mafia or if he's just chosen a reckless strategy that would hurt town.

Ty4on- I just can't get a enough of a read on him.

Mazre - My gut says gun shy town. He's not putting pressure on anyone and his posts have been just as safe as Mike and UltraJay's have been.

Razmos - Squidy paired us together. I can see his logic for it. I don't think he's said much of anything outside of defending himself though.

UltraJay- Seems like an eager newbie ready to play the game. Comes off a little impressionable, but from a meta-perspective I could say that about all newbies. I'll say town for now since he's been actively trying to start conversation.

Unmasked_Ferret - He's been more on the defensive than anything. I lean town for now.

I think Dark is more of a liability for town going forward. I don't think it helps us to keep him around.

Vote: darklighter

 

[Sorian]

Just a general reminder, there are 6 votes on Darklighter, this game is still huge so it's 12 for the day to end. We are no where close to that number obviously but since the bandwagon is becoming strong, I figured it was worth mentioning.

 

[Coppanuva]

Translated:

I gave Darklighter the benefit of the doubt once he started talking finally but he's still acting weird and only speaking up the bare minimum number of times. Both of his votes seem totally random and as much as I'd like, think it'd be super if he explained himself. I doubt that that's gonna happen anytime soon. I think the best way to make him talk is to make a concequence for silence. At the same time, he seems like the type who doesn't make friends in public so I dunno if his death would be as flange [Useful? I have no idea what this means] as I'd want it to be.

I was gonna put a vote on StanleyPalmtree [some nonsense about a spa, I assume this meant to ask him a question, Scrafty doesn't specify].

Karu still hasn't said much since voted for me but that's totally [BS?, not sure what "fetch" means] because he did it before we knew that whoever got the most votes got [killed]. Where you at? I know you probably voted for me cuz I'm the prettiest but I'd like, like to know if that vote still stands or not.

Apparently Seath started talking crazy while I was away! That seems suspicious but he could just be a dag [No clue, I'm assuming it's not Directed Acyclic Graph, which is the only dag I know, so...] so I'll be sure to keep an eye on him.

VOTE: Darklighter

What the hell is this. Also, character bs aside Scrafty, what's your argument against Karu's vote? From what I could tell you think it's because he "voted before we knew that whomever got the most votes got killed", which is just plain bullshit. Even as a character that is clearly outlined in the rules and it's a stupid way to argue against it. Is this your fancy way of saying that it shouldn't count because it was from the RNG?

Either way, I'd still like Karu to explain himself, and let us know if that vote still counts.

 

[Fireblend]

Just a general reminder, there are 6 votes on Darklighter, this game is still huge so it's 12 for the day to end. We are no where close to that number obviously but since the bandwagon is becoming strong, I figured it was worth mentioning.

Who has their vote on Dark? I'm only really worried if inactive people vote for him only to not come back and create potential trouble if we decide on another direction later. I already said that I think Seath's claim has generated enough discussion around it for his flip to be potentially useful. Plus if mafia's inevitably going to take him off their NK list, we might as well deny that play.

 

[Coppanuva]

Translated:

Oh, and for the sake of transparency: I'm planning to post a "translated" version of Scrafty's posts (or at least keep my own copies of them). If you all would prefer I not, I won't post them. For the most part this is going to simply be them stripped of flavor with a rough interpretation for when they go way hidden in meaning. If it's more than just deleting a word, or it's some weird word (like dag), I'll replace it with something in [hard brackets] to signify that's my interpretation of it. For the most part, it's deleting a lot of words like "Like"

 

[Mike_Hawk689]

Hey Mike_Hawk, what's up with the different reaction between Seath and Trigger's claims?



Here you say you don't believe it was an accident and think it's a fake claim as a townie.



Here you say you won't let it slide because Trigger didn't "defend" it? Whats up with that? What makes you willing to let Seath's slide, but not Trigger's?

Spoiler

Also edited the part out that might have spoiled part of Fallout 4 for me

First of all let me address the most important part of that post. Yooooo my bad on the spoiler lol didnt think about it. Like sorian said it's a pretty early one so it won't change much.

Regarding seath and trigger, to be honest I would vote for both but I don't have the power to do so. I won't let seath slide but I'm intrigued with what he has under his sleeve.

 

[Mike_Hawk689]

Oh, and for the sake of transparency: I'm planning to post a "translated" version of Scrafty's posts (or at least keep my own copies of them). If you all would prefer I not, I won't post them. For the most part this is going to simply be them stripped of flavor with a rough interpretation for when they go way hidden in meaning. If it's more than just deleting a word, or it's some weird word (like dag), I'll replace it with something in [hard brackets] to signify that's my interpretation of it. For the most part, it's deleting a lot of words like "Like"

Keep doing them please

 

[Mike_Hawk689]

Who has their vote on Dark? I'm only really worried if inactive people vote for him only to not come back and create potential trouble if we decide on another direction later. I already said that I think Seath's claim has generated enough discussion around it for his flip to be potentially useful. Plus if mafia's inevitably going to take him off their NK list, we might as well deny that play.

fireblend
royal_flush
unmasked ferret
ultrajay
scraftydevil
trigger

So far none of the low end posters voted for Dark. Inb4 bandwagon

 

[Sorian]

Who has their vote on Dark? I'm only really worried if inactive people vote for him only to not come back and create potential trouble if we decide on another direction later. I already said that I think Seath's claim has generated enough discussion around it for his flip to be potentially useful. Plus if mafia's inevitably going to take him off their NK list, we might as well deny that play.

From the voting tool:

darklighter (6)
scraftydevil 136 (447)
coppanuva 280 (298)
fireblend 450
royal_flush 454
unmasked ferret 541
ultrajay 544
scraftydevil 568
trigger 592

Although Seath is ridiculous, I don't see the worth of voting for him at this time. He is a policy lynch and I get that and would be willing to back it if I had to but we aren't going to learn anything from that voting record and it's not as beneficial as voting out someone completely inactive since Seath is around enough to post at least.