More_Badass
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Ford is standing next to a host replica of his supposed father in that picture
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TheWrathOfSean
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Anyone catch the blurry Yul Brenner in the background when Bernard goes downstairs?
After today's episode, doesn't that just imply that Arnold could be his father? Not that Ford or Arnold don't exist.
Man, this show is moving at a breakneck speed. So glad this isn't like Lost where you had to slog through 24 episodes a season.
Yep, that's what I thought of as well. I'd say Arnold is the ghost in the machine playing 3D chess with Robert. Not sure how the corporate espionage plot ties into this though...
Yep, that's what I thought of as well. I'd say Arnold is the ghost in the machine playing 3D chess with Robert. Not sure how the corporate espionage plot ties into this though...
me. same sfx from the movie too
The thing I don't get though is that we saw Elsie change her stats and update her build so why didn't she notice the changes?
Exactly.
After this episode we don't know that Ford is standing next to Arnold.
We know that Ford is standing next to one of the original hosts who was made to look like his father.
Yeah but if Ford is Arnold, why does he act like he doesn't know anything about Arnold's voice talking to the hosts? He's been taken aback by that multiple times now, most recently when talking to robot kid (who he would have no reason to lie to).
Maybe Ford is a host duplicate of Arnold. You know, now that they've established the idea of creating hosts based on the image of real people.
Yeah bottom line for me regardless if it's true or not I am a fan, especially now that the out of park stuff is finally moving forward.
Yeah, I'll admit I was wrong about the old mechanical hosts. That's a point for the two timelines team. However it adds a new wrinkle too, in that 80-ish hosts in the park are STILL the old mechanical style, apparently including Dolores.
So, if in the future we see William open up a host and find mechanic bits inside, we still won't know what time period we're seeing.
By the way, I was practically yelling at the screen when Maeve was watching the welcome video on the wall. If they had included a logo in there we might have been able to finally put this theory to bed!
Curt Baboon
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I'm starting to think the hosts have some programming where they cannot process certain information unless Ford or Arnold wants them to, like stuff in pictures. For example, Abernathy freaks the fuck out when he sees the picture of the woman in Time Square, while Dolores just looks at it and says "doesn't look like anything to me" as if she can't see what he's seeing.
This could mean that the picture Ford showed Bernard of him and "Arnold" doesn't look at all like what we saw. The man in the middle is actually the host version we saw of Ford's father tonight, and the gap in the far right is where Arnold is. We don't see it because Bernard cannot see it either, since he's also a host and most likely was modeled after Arnold himself. Something in Bernard's programming makes it so that he can't process the full picture and find out that he's a host too.
This could mean that the picture Ford showed Bernard of him and "Arnold" doesn't look at all like what we saw. The man in the middle is actually the host version we saw of Ford's father tonight, and the gap in the far right is where Arnold is. We don't see it because Bernard cannot see it either, since he's also a host and most likely was modeled after Arnold himself. Something in Bernard's programming makes it so that he can't process the full picture and find out that he's a host too.
FreddieQuell
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I'm starting to think the hosts have some programming where they cannot process certain information unless Ford or Arnold wants them to, like stuff in pictures. For example, Abernathy freaks the fuck out when he sees the picture of the woman in Time Square, while Dolores just looks at it and says "doesn't look like anything to me" as if she can't see what he's seeing.
This could mean that the picture Ford showed Bernard of him and "Arnold" doesn't look at all like what we saw. The man in the middle is actually the host version we saw of Ford's father tonight, and the gap in the far right is where Arnold is. We don't see it because Bernard cannot see it either, since he's also a host and most likely was modeled after Arnold himself. Something in Bernard's programming makes it so that he can't process the full picture and find out that he's a host too.
Yeah, Ford and that host are oddly off center in the photo.
I'm starting to buy into the Bernard is a host version of Arnold theory. Would make sense that if the picture is of Ford, host Ford Sr, and Arnold that host Arnold/Bernard might not be able to process Arnold and not be able to see him in the photo.
While I have no interest in trying to untangle the Arnold mystery it is show confirmed that hosts are programmed not to register certain things, Logan and William even argue about it when William thinks Dolores understands their coversation out of character which hosts are not supposed to be able to do.I'm starting to think the hosts have some programming where they cannot process certain information unless Ford or Arnold wants them to, like stuff in pictures. For example, Abernathy freaks the fuck out when he sees the picture of the woman in Time Square, while Dolores just looks at it and says "doesn't look like anything to me" as if she can't see what he's seeing.
This could mean that the picture Ford showed Bernard of him and "Arnold" doesn't look at all like what we saw. The man in the middle is actually the host version we saw of Ford's father tonight, and the gap in the far right is where Arnold is. We don't see it because Bernard cannot see it either, since he's also a host and most likely was modeled after Arnold himself. Something in Bernard's programming makes it so that he can't process the full picture and find out that he's a host too.
Another example would be MIB telling teddy about how they used to be beautiful and how he opened one up and teddy just looks like a ditz listening but not actually registering a thing he says.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Totally agree... Piano version of "No surprises" in the first episode or was it the second? Was fine, but when I hear Motion pic. Soundtrack again. It's too much man, too much.
Jinfash
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This is Marge's stats screen before the butchers attempted to make the alterations (i.e. Narrative and Elsie's logged sessions?):
As soon as they hacked in this is what they said in a state of surprise: "some of her attributes have already been changed. Paranoia, self-preservation. Fuck! Someone's already been altering her in an unlogged session. Someone with a fuck-ton more privileges than us."
I personally wouldn't consider Elsie or narrative having a "fuck-ton" more privileges than those two, enough to freak them out that much.
Woo-Fu
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You forgot the dog.
If Ford is a host he is a host that won't show up on scan(new or old) because otherwise he would have been detected any of a bazillion times since he arrived. The entire complex is full of host-creation/manipulation/monitoring equipment, after all.
I think my question is why are the underlevels abandoned? Why do they still have power? Why are perfectly fine desktop computers left down there, attached to the network? It has the appearance of something abandoned 30m ago due to some disaster.
Lol Commando Teddy.
They were quaking in their boots last ep when Elsie came down to visit.
They were quaking in their boots last ep when Elsie came down to visit.
Shogmaster
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And Arnold took the picture. Dun dun DUUUUNNNNNN~
Arnold is Ford's older brother is my guess. Arnold built that first gen family clone of HIS and Robert's family, not just Robert's. That older boy Ford was petting for a while was young Arnold.
Maintenance
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Episode was ok but it was like those movies where if someone was smart 90% of the plot wouldn't have happened.
Horror movie cliche, dumb employees, etc.
That Arnold part with Hopkins was good, same with Teddy mowing down those guys (even though the way he and MIB got out was so weak).
Horror movie cliche, dumb employees, etc.
That Arnold part with Hopkins was good, same with Teddy mowing down those guys (even though the way he and MIB got out was so weak).
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
So, the first gen hosts are indistinguishable on the outside from modern hosts, which lends credibility to the two timelines thing. Dolores is also one of them.
Jinfash
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Curt Baboon
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What's up with Wild Bill, though? He's super shitty and supposedly he was the second host in the park, right?
More_Badass
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Second host they built, doesn't mean he was the second host in the park
He's just in disrepair
I'm guessing that Ford doesn't exactly do proper maintenance on Wild Bill. He said himself that he maintains and occasionally modifies the five unregistered hosts.
Curt Baboon
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That makes sense. Always found it weird they would allow that dude into the park.
This show suffers from the occasional poor writing, doesn't it. I fail to see any reason why those two numbskulls are catering to Maeve's every whim. Kind of a lazy way for her to reach sentience too, but whatever. And then there's the Elsie stuff. That shit could not have been more telegraphed.
killer rin
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Elsie, No!
Damn, I can't wait for next week. I'm just absolutely loving the pace everything is going at where everything is just slowly going to hell
Damn, I can't wait for next week. I'm just absolutely loving the pace everything is going at where everything is just slowly going to hell
MiamiWesker
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I just saw the movie yesterday and randomly this is the episode where they tie in the movie with the show, insane timing.
It wasn't just Yul Brenner or the music, the room Bernard enters is the butcher room from the movie, complete with the exact same dogs and animal robot parts left on the operating table when everyone died.
So is this an Easter egg or is the movie canon now. I guess it's an Easter egg but man everything is so calculated and this seems so self serving.
You guys keep blowing my mind with what you uncover. That damn photo. Isn't there a scene where they show the past and we see Arnold?
It wasn't just Yul Brenner or the music, the room Bernard enters is the butcher room from the movie, complete with the exact same dogs and animal robot parts left on the operating table when everyone died.
So is this an Easter egg or is the movie canon now. I guess it's an Easter egg but man everything is so calculated and this seems so self serving.
You guys keep blowing my mind with what you uncover. That damn photo. Isn't there a scene where they show the past and we see Arnold?
Elsie's stuff bugged me in that it was largely for me a "Why the hell are you still there!" thing.
I mean personally, if you stumbled across an internal conspiracy, you should at least suspect that the one you're investigating may come and return to the place they're doing their stuff...
Shogmaster
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I now also buy into two timelines as well. I just don't buy into William = MiB.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No, the flashback scene only showed young cgi Ford.
I laughed when she heard the noise and called out "Bernard...?". What a dummy.
MiamiWesker
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So they showed Arnold.
I don't quite believe that yet. What if the photo shows that Arnold is Ford's dad and this robot is just modeled after him.
Jinfash
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He simply never received the same amount of updates. Dolores on the other hand is a favorite. Stubbs states in the first episode: "You know why she's special? She's been repaired so many times she's practically new. Don't let that fool you. She's the oldest host in the park."
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Rentahamster
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I have similar feelings now, as well, but I'm totally not onboard the two timelines thing yet. What also is a point in favor of the two timelines theory is that the girl Sizemore was hitting on at the pool is the representative, not William and Logan.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
So they showed Arnold.
I don't quite believe that yet. What if the photo shows that Arnold is Ford's dad and this robot is just modeled after him.
XD
More_Badass
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Jinfash
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Good point. First host built was... Arnold!
Here's an interesting article on AI I read a while back.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
The real question is, will Maeve grow even beyond level 20? Because why wouldn't she.
SwiftDeath
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Certainly looks that way
Very right side of the photo doesn't seem to match the rest of the photo. Red line area shows break points where the photo doesn't mesh right