Actually, they said in this last episodes that there are numerous satellite offices such as that one.
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Actually, they said in this last episodes that there are numerous satellite offices such as that one.
Kor of Memory
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Are you sure? I thought one of them had windows and the other didn't.
Not the same room, also who says it's Bernard and not arnold?
tearsintherain
Member
It appears to be the same room, due to the presence of the chair. Most people at this point however think the interview scenes with Dolores are 30 years ago, and its Arnold doing the interviews to get to the bottom of consciousness. At some point Arnold goes away, and Bernard is created by Ford with Arnold's appearance.
Bernard/Arnold interviewing Dolores, notice the chair
http://i.imgur.com/vF0EEjH.jpg
Last episode, right before someone gets... retired. Same chair it seems.
http://i.imgur.com/sQCTAdp.png
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bernard isnt interviewing her. Arnold is. Bernard = Arnold 30 years ago.
Bernard cant see the door because Bernard is a robot Ford created to have Arnold's look alike work for him like a little bitch.
Arnold was human and started a rebellion by asking Delores to find the center of the maze 30 years ago.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
For posterity:
L+SD ratings
Episode 1: 1.96 million
Episode 2: 1.50 million
Episode 3: 2.10 million
Episode 4: 1.70 million
Episode 5: 1.50 million
Episode 6: 1.60 million
Episode 7: 1.74 million
L+SD ratings
Episode 1: 1.96 million
Episode 2: 1.50 million
Episode 3: 2.10 million
Episode 4: 1.70 million
Episode 5: 1.50 million
Episode 6: 1.60 million
Episode 7: 1.74 million
Is that high? I don't know what you would call high in the US.
Chiaroscuro
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Not exactly. Arnold died at least 5 years before Dolores took the trip with Willian. That trip is triggered by the bicameral mind of her, hearing Arnold's commands. But Dolores was also present at Arnold's death 5 years before (as Ford said). Who knows how many trips did Dolores made before and after Willian?
But for sure if our theories are right, Arnold interviewing Dolres is 34-35 years ago.
forgeforsaken
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Which host used Bernard's phrase about loss where he asked if that was written or improv? Wasn't that Dolores? It seemed our first clue he was a host. If it was Dolores doesn't that imply the interviews are in the present?
Oh wow, it's actually gaining viewers, that's awesome.
MiamiWesker
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The bicameral mind thing is interesting. First you believe you hear the voice of god, Dolores hears a voice which we assume is Arnold early on. That tells her to shoot, it tells her to remember and so on. Next step of the bicameral mind is that they realize the voices in their head are their own. Later on dolores stops hearing "Arnold" and instead sees herself and she has discussions with herself. She is moving through the steps.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
They're high-ish for HBO in 2016.
How does this compare to typical ratings for Game of Thrones?
Cornballer
Member
GoT averaged about 7-8 million during S6 under this metric. Total audience for a given episode is around 23+ million for GoT (S6) versus about 12 million for Westworld (S1). The Westworld S1 numbers are slightly better than GoT S1 numbers.
That bodes well for Westworld Season 5.
MiamiWesker
Member
WW would have to become a pop culture event to do that. It has a lot of work to do.
They're off to a good start. I have a feeling "What door?" and "That doesn't look like anything to me" have already entered the pop culture lexicon.
This show is incredible smart. They didn't dumb it down but instead pushed it to above mind-blowing. I think the show will receive a ton of love when all is revealed and everyone's jaws are on the floor.
William is the Man in Black. It was not that well hidden. They fooled everyone with actually showing Arnold (all the scenes with Dolores in the basement). That scene with Ford showing the picture of Arnold to Bernard is crazy in retrospect. It was Bernard not being able to see Arnold next to Ford and the dad replica.
Dolores is the true mystery though. The picture that made her dad go crazy has Dolores in it, but she couldn't see that in the same way Bernard couldn't. So she's based on a real person. Someone related to Ford because he questions her if she can remember the man that he used to be. Husband? Father?
For the end I'm leaning towards that Arnold is alive as a real person. Ford is mighty but he was only the apprentice. Arnold is the master.
William is the Man in Black. It was not that well hidden. They fooled everyone with actually showing Arnold (all the scenes with Dolores in the basement). That scene with Ford showing the picture of Arnold to Bernard is crazy in retrospect. It was Bernard not being able to see Arnold next to Ford and the dad replica.
Dolores is the true mystery though. The picture that made her dad go crazy has Dolores in it, but she couldn't see that in the same way Bernard couldn't. So she's based on a real person. Someone related to Ford because he questions her if she can remember the man that he used to be. Husband? Father?
For the end I'm leaning towards that Arnold is alive as a real person. Ford is mighty but he was only the apprentice. Arnold is the master.
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Ooooh shit that's a crazy idea. If that's true that is brilliant.
More_Badass
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We saw the picture without any hosts around, when they show the clean-up crew bagging it in the pilot
ajfoucault
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Excellent series. Such sharp and witty writing work.
I'm not reading any posts or theories, just dropping in to say that the GAF Collective analysis of this show is spot on. I really want to read and contribute to the episode discussions, but the theory-crafting in here has been too good, including the major reveals so far. It's uncanny.
Ok, back to covering my ears and eyes until next Sunday.
Ok, back to covering my ears and eyes until next Sunday.
Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one a little turned off by the random swearing from Tessa's character. Even the scene where Theresa meets her felt awkward as fuck. I mean, I guess you could interpret it as an act of dominance to just stand there naked in front of her, as well as her general demeanor towards Theresa afterwards, but it just felt somewhat forced. Maybe it's partly because stuff like that is far easier to stand out when a lot of the other scenes are on their A-game.
Since that house is off the grid, it may be that in the past even Ford did not know about the location so it may have been Arnold's hide out. Also I think it is mentioned that they have multiple diagnostic sites that can be configured the same and I'm thinking that the events in the interview sequences could predate William and Logan's arrival. Alternatively it's all in her head.
Doesn't look like anything to me...
Zelenogorsk
Banned
On the next episode of Westworld...
Good ratings.
Waiting until 2018 is actually a blessing in disguise for this show, allows more people to catch up on the show and in turn driving the anticipation towards season 2 through the roof, and more time for the writers to make a kickass season.
Waiting until 2018 is actually a blessing in disguise for this show, allows more people to catch up on the show and in turn driving the anticipation towards season 2 through the roof, and more time for the writers to make a kickass season.
Hale is a _verrrry_ Michael Crichton-esque character. He wrote a character in Airframe who is almost exactly the same. His writing often became super cynical when it comes to corporate behavior (espionage, betrayal, unscrupulous and immoral people) as someone previously mentioned in this thread.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Plus, tbh this show was slow to get started. The first 2 or 3 episodes were pretty meandering and you have to really like the world building aspect to enjoy them, I thought.
Being able to watch the whole season won't make those episodes feel like that so much/
Cornballer
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Once something has aired, it's fair game for discussion and speculation. Only spoilers (i.e. information about future episodes) from trailers, interviews, and other sources need to be tagged.
To answer your question:
She noted in one of her interviews this week that she's finished with the show as of Ep 7.
Oh wow. Thanks! Will be interesting to see how that's swept away.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
More_Badass
Member
If it does shift to a more cyberpunk tone with the Delos megacorp and the hosts out in the world, HBO could present it as the competition against Netflix's Altered CarbonOr it ends up killing all the show's momentum!
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I would imagine HBO would want to keep the western setting for at least another season or two to get a better return on their investment.
Rewatching Ep. 2 and something stood out. When MiB is sitting with Lawrence and threatening his family (ultimately killing his wife), he says (paraphrased) "you and I have been through a lot, we fought off Ghost Nation braves...etc". And then we actually see that in episode 7 when William and Lazo fight Ghost Nation after the train. Further confirmation that William = MiB.
Rewatching Ep. 3, which has several Bernard/Dolores scenes, and I'm now absolutely convinced that Bernard is Arnold or at least a clone of him and that all "Bernard"/Dolores scenes are in the past as Arnold. Dolores is clothed, they're in a satellite hub, and Arnold is mulling over reverting Dolores but can't bring himself to do it. From here, it's clear that Arnold dies and Dolores almost destroys the park. Also, the "Bernard" scene with his wife is actually Arnold in the past.
I love this show so much.
Rewatching Ep. 3, which has several Bernard/Dolores scenes, and I'm now absolutely convinced that Bernard is Arnold or at least a clone of him and that all "Bernard"/Dolores scenes are in the past as Arnold. Dolores is clothed, they're in a satellite hub, and Arnold is mulling over reverting Dolores but can't bring himself to do it. From here, it's clear that Arnold dies and Dolores almost destroys the park. Also, the "Bernard" scene with his wife is actually Arnold in the past.
I love this show so much.
Jack Scofield
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My dumb nitpicky complaint for this episode: when the hazmat suits guys took the prostitute, EVERYONE around was a host. You're telling me there wasn't a single guest at the entrance to Westworld?
I'M DONE WITH THIS POS!
I'M DONE WITH THIS POS!
Not really. I love this show.
Or it ends up killing all the show's momentum!
It'll depend on how they'll handle the season finale.
If it ends with a mind blowing cliffhanger not a cheap one the anticipation will be through the roof, and they can let that gestate for awhile.
Plus this is isnt like GOT where there were book spoilers from season 1 onwards and people had a vague idea where the show was going to go. Westworld is uncharted territory since day 1, even if it borrows themes and ideas from the movie, the show is its own beast, that works in Westworld's favor.
this phrase is going to be a nice thing to sneak into conversations to see if people are watchers
For those who don't know, the average total audience for this show is 11.7 million (when you add in HBO Go streams, DVR, etc.). So while the live Nielsen ratings might look low, the show is actually doing really well.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
It's a weird inconsistency since when they were collecting the hosts after the saloon heist, the employees were in costume.
CreepingFear
Member
I really hope we see the Roman or Space themed theme parks in future seasons.