No I don't think so, she killed new clementine by accident when she relived slicing the MiB. But now she intentionally killed her self and the outlaw guy so they can do stuff inside.
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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More_Badass
Member
I'm assuming MIB planted the picture and gun that night
For the most part yes, though we see her off and on when it flips between the timelines during her scenes.
Operations
Member
Reveries update.
Shy Fingers
Banned
My personal acting award of the year goes to Anthony Hopkins.
"...Goodbye my friend" and the actual remorse he showed walking away. Just ugh. Beautiful
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I thought that was a cover up?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No offense to anyone in this thread but you all ruined the big reveals in the episode for me lol. I think most of the twists were predicted going back to episode 3, it's really quite ridiculous.
Oh well, reading gaf has its drawbacks i supposed.
Oh well, reading gaf has its drawbacks i supposed.
I figured Ford wouldn't make a new one. I thought he was planning on coming back to wipe Bernard's memory later or something but I'm assuming Maeve and crew get to Bernard first.
I don't think this was the first Bernard. I don't think he plans for it to be the last, either.
I'm with the rest remarking on threads like these ruining or dampening the impact of bot big reveals and the unfolding plot and merging storylines. I'm staying out for the next full season. I binged completely blind on Mr. Robot and the experience was better than waiting around for thoroughly dissected theories to come true.
Zoe
Member
William's company is buying a share of the park. If they continue the narrative technique in future seasons, they could show how things have changed in the outside throughout the years.
Why make a new one when he could just repair the old?
I think he's going to be part of Marge's army.
biosnake20
Member
Idk about you guys but the theory talk makes the show more fun for me. A big reveal for me is more about execution than surprise.
Shy Fingers
Banned
Right?! I just hope they keep him on past season 1.
He's so fucking great in this, I'd hate for this show to lose it's current main redeeming quality to me
Zoe
Member
Beta Dolores - secret sessions, kills everyone in the town
William Dolores - town is buried, walking around with her gut sliced open
MiB Dolores - solo trip, town is reconstructed but empty
There are other loops where she has failed, such as when she got shot at her farm in the gut or when she drowned in the river
WonkyPanda
Member
The one thing I don't get is:
how did no one in the real world, like the board, recognize that Bernard looked exactly like Arnold? Surely there'd have to be some record of who Arnold was and what he did with Ford.
Completely agree
they're all hosts and he doesn't look like anythng to them
reelbigtink
Member
We could get young William next season. Anybody, really. All it takes is MiB learning the secret of Arnold's AI and having a young version of himself made with his current memories/thoughts/whatever, so he essentially gets to live forever in his young body. Also they wouldn't have to pay Ed Harris anymore, as I'm sure he an Hopkins cost a fortune.
WonkyPanda
Member
Wait, everyone?!
No one (EDIT: Human) we know in the show knew Arnold beyond Ford, he was working in an underground facility where everyone died before the park was even open, so its easy for Ford to delete and make it impossible to find records of his as Logan even aknowledged, there is no hint that Arnold was a celebrity or someone that people must have had known. Add to that the fact that Bernard was created years after he was murdered and Ford was the oficial face of the park for the investors no one must have really cared about its looks because Bernard was just an employee and Arnold just some guy that worked there.
No one noticed because no one cared to look for it
Zoe
Member
That was following an Arnold session though, probably over of their last.
Unless I'm mixing up her naked session with him.
Edit: I am mixing it up. I agree with Killthee that it occurred during one of the present day recalls.
HighResTomato
Member
So Maeve turned the tables on Fords most advanced host? Her storyline is true shit tier and if it wasn't for Hopkins and Wright this show would be another b tier tv show.
what do you think his new narrative is
Could be during the initial recall in episode 1. Ford could have walked in once the interviews were done and interrogated her alone.
Who on the board would know Arnold? The ones like William that saved the park back then would have no reason to bring it up, while it is clear no one is around anymore that has met Arnold.
Its an interesting question if Ford/Arnold were and are creating life if they can essentially create it at will. Its kind of like slaughterhouse animals, they wouldnt exist if we didnt create them for that purpose. What if he made a billion slightly randomized copies of Bernards mind on a computer, is that creating a billion lives
I took it as such, with the next week series finale I think Ford is closing down loose ends and whats his name was already suspicious of Bernard last week when he brought that he knew about Bernard and Theresa
YesNOnoNOYes
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lots of ford and bernard in this episode. very enjoyable.
lots of ford and bernard in this episode. very enjoyable.
Mr. Mister
Member
Damn great episode. Can tell this is gonna be like Lost and ultimately trash and a big nothing but they've got us all spun up.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
wow....one of the best episodes. Im loving every plotline so far, even Maeve's now. This show is a complete mind fuck.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Damn only 1 more episode.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Arnold died 34 years ago before the park opened to the public. Delos - Logans dad - didn't buy Westworld till 30 years ago (4 years later), so no one would have known Arnold then. And we don't know how many years later the board was established and William took over either (and we even see Logan say "I had no idea who this ARNOLD person is" in this very episode)
Yeah started calling all this shit after talking here and rewatching episodes. Only thing they didn't confirm is MIB = William, and the only thing that could leave a ping of doubt on that is that it is so damn obvious.
So last episode
- how will robot uprising start. What stupid thing will Felix and Sylvester do next
- will ford pay for anything he has done. Can anyone actually hurt him
- how and why did Dolores kill Arnold
- what is the secret Arnold code. Is he a ghost in the machine
- whose controlling the natives. Only ford knows she's dead so is it him?
- hot board lady plan of exporting host... how's that gonna work
- what exactly is the new ford narrative
So even with the obvious MIB twist tons of thing to still see play out
One thing I have to remember to turn my brain off for is how relatively empty this whole base station is. Had a crowd of techs pinning Maeve down, ford and Bernard come in, Bernard freaks out and shows he's a host .......... but no other tech saw it? No camera to record it? It's the same thing that makes the Maeve and Felix scenes so hard to grasp.... you'd think people would see the revealing shit that tends to happen right out in the open
So last episode
- how will robot uprising start. What stupid thing will Felix and Sylvester do next
- will ford pay for anything he has done. Can anyone actually hurt him
- how and why did Dolores kill Arnold
- what is the secret Arnold code. Is he a ghost in the machine
- whose controlling the natives. Only ford knows she's dead so is it him?
- hot board lady plan of exporting host... how's that gonna work
- what exactly is the new ford narrative
So even with the obvious MIB twist tons of thing to still see play out
One thing I have to remember to turn my brain off for is how relatively empty this whole base station is. Had a crowd of techs pinning Maeve down, ford and Bernard come in, Bernard freaks out and shows he's a host .......... but no other tech saw it? No camera to record it? It's the same thing that makes the Maeve and Felix scenes so hard to grasp.... you'd think people would see the revealing shit that tends to happen right out in the open
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I shrug this off as sort of another part of our loose grasp of time within the show. We don't know how many times she's been down since the last episode, could be a few, and if it wasn't Bernard this time maybe it would have been him next
Why would another tech see it? They're not going to just randomly be watching each person in their employ unless something happens to give them reason to check whatever footage they may have. They don't appear to have tons of employees, the overhead you're assuming they have to notice that kind of thing would effectively double their workforce.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
I agree that you have to shut off your brain (just like any other show in history), but yea, that's really nitpicky. Maeve's storyline hasn't really been great for me until now. No one would really confront the boss engineer dealing with a random host even if something looks a bit off.