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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Maybe Shaun White thought the logo they were going to use for promo materials was too close to his logo and asked them not to use it for promotions but didn't require them to go in and change anything already filmed.
Noticed the logo on one of my winter hats looks a lot like the westworld "old" logo lol.
Noticed the logo on one of my winter hats looks a lot like the westworld "old" logo lol.
Cornballer
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- Logline and promo pictures from Episode 5 (please spoiler tag any discussion)
Static Veins
Member
Love the detail that Delores has shed the blue ranch girl dress now she's so far off-loop and gaining more sentience.
They've been showing her like that for a few previews now, including firing backwards while riding a horse. Not sure if it's an HBO-GO thing but I can't wait for her transformation.
More_Badass
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Captain Zyrain
Member
biggersmaller
Banned
That would support a small portion of my larger theory that MiB is the
board representative.
Jack Scofield
Member
While watching the most recent episode, I had a theory that the maze would make the Man in Black killable. It would in essence finally make the world "real" to him.
It doesn't make any sense when you apply critical thinking, but it's the first thing my mind went to. Also, why is the park hologram green in the center? Have we seen this part of the park yet?
It doesn't make any sense when you apply critical thinking, but it's the first thing my mind went to. Also, why is the park hologram green in the center? Have we seen this part of the park yet?
The Delos building is an arcology built into the top of a mesa.
https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/delos-map.jpg
It's worth mentioning one of key characters in William Gibson's Sprawl Trilogy is Angela Mitchell, the daughter of a research scientist. Angela's father experimented on her with a form of organic/electronic technology called "biosoft". She's able to interface with the net without a computer and communicate with sentient AI in the form of visions of voodoo spirits known as Loa. The "biosoft" technology is viewed by some as the next step in human evolution. Angela lived with her father in the Maas Biotek arcology, built into the top of a mesa. She escapes the Mesa with the help of a mercenary who was sent to extract her father because he claimed he wanted to defect to a rival corporation. But her father was lying, his plan was always to get his daughter out (and the information contained in her head.)
https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/delos-map.jpg
It's worth mentioning one of key characters in William Gibson's Sprawl Trilogy is Angela Mitchell, the daughter of a research scientist. Angela's father experimented on her with a form of organic/electronic technology called "biosoft". She's able to interface with the net without a computer and communicate with sentient AI in the form of visions of voodoo spirits known as Loa. The "biosoft" technology is viewed by some as the next step in human evolution. Angela lived with her father in the Maas Biotek arcology, built into the top of a mesa. She escapes the Mesa with the help of a mercenary who was sent to extract her father because he claimed he wanted to defect to a rival corporation. But her father was lying, his plan was always to get his daughter out (and the information contained in her head.)
Captain Zyrain
Member
I figured it was the reverse, that he wanted to somehow become a host. Or somehow digitize himself. Maybe he has something incurable (even in the future) or is just tired of his existence?
Maybe he knows something that will grant the Hosts more freedoms while also getting himself host-a-tized.. or something. It's not very well thought out, but him saying "I'm never leaving again" or whatever he said makes me think he wants to be a part of Westworld.. FOREVER.
The corporation that owns the park.
I think mib is just some rich guy on vacation who may have an important relationship to the WW company/Ford in the real world. It sounds like he's already done every narrative in the park from the mundane to the extreme. I think he's just searching for new content more so than trying to set off something greater.
afternoon delight
Member
Agreed. Sure, he might be involved in the past but I bet his "might say I was born here" reference is the first time he popped his WW cherry in maybe a nice murder rape fantasy being fulfilled? Who knows.
I think a lot of these theories are going to be new smoke monsters of whats it gonna be whats it gonna be whats it gonna be goddamit that was mundane.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If he has a relationship with Ford, then Ford obviously should know what he's up to, or be involved in it too. MiB's activities would be impossible for Ford to not notice, especially if they know each other.
ffejeromdiks
Banned
Can't be a coincidence that the main character's name is two letters from being the same.
Do MiB's actions in WW actually standout though? All the workers seem fairly casual about it. I think everybody has a general expectation for you to rape, fuck, and try to mess up WW. I find myself having to reconsider my own perspective to one in a world where west world could actually exist.
This has never once registered for me. I don't see a problem.
Three letters, out of seven. There's nothing there.
Charles Brandon
Member
If Logan's family own shares in Delos and William marries in...it would kinda make sense that 30 years down the line he might have some part on the board.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Well, if Ford knows about the maze, he should know if someone's getting close to unlocking it. He is the DM, after all.
Also, he'd pay attention to MiB if they know each other. There isn't anything to suggest that they do though.
Go back and watch the two first episodes. It's subtlety alluded to that William is the Man in Black. The themes and dialogue are neatly tied between the two (I can't wait to find out who you really are / You could say I was born here). Either that or the writers are cleverly fucking with us.
This doesn't prove anything regarding the "William = flashback" theory. Regardless of whether that theory is true, Dolores IS experiencing time fuckery in episode 4 when she has flashes of The Church while interacting with the little girl. Are those actual memories, or false implants like Teddy's Wyatt backstory? That's the fuckery Natali is referring to.
Also note that the Church flashbacks are clearly presented as such (we see Dolores react to them as they bubble up to the surface, there's a "flash" cut, etc...), but how genuine they are is left ambiguous. That's an appropriate mystery to give to the audience, since it puts us in Dolores' shoes. Can she trust her memories? Are they actually memories? But there's no question that they at least SEEM to be memories.
Which is completely different from "you thought you were watching one linear story, but you've actually been seeing two indistinguishable time periods!"
Wait, do Logan and William work at Delos?
We don't know but it's suggested strongly that they have a connection. William is engaged to Logan's sister, and they both work together. Logan makes multiple references to his interest in the park being partly business. His family's business in particular. So Logan's family (and by extension William) either has a stake in Delos, or they have a stake in another company that owns part of Westworld. Multiple companies might be a bit too confusing, so it's probably Delos.
Ford is leading him into his new Wyatt storyline (that the mib thinks is the maze - and maybe it is) as a park veteran it makes sense they would want him to beta test it.
Jinfash
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I think someone answered this question, but I can't seem find the answer:
For those who are still clinging to the Willam = MiB theory, how do you guys explain the part where a Delos analyst declared Dolores as deviating too far from her loop, so far that she reached Las Mudas?
I understand the bit about Ford's narrative-construction making the guest confirmation (William in present day) more difficult and leaves some room for interpretation, but what about flagging her for behavior, only to have the guy in the scene (security?) trying to persuade to go back to the ranch?
For those who are still clinging to the Willam = MiB theory, how do you guys explain the part where a Delos analyst declared Dolores as deviating too far from her loop, so far that she reached Las Mudas?
I understand the bit about Ford's narrative-construction making the guest confirmation (William in present day) more difficult and leaves some room for interpretation, but what about flagging her for behavior, only to have the guy in the scene (security?) trying to persuade to go back to the ranch?
Admiral Woofington
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Why do they keep hurting my poor teddie god dammit lol.
Finally caught up.
Finally caught up.
Maybe none of it's real and this is just Teddy's purgatory or hell.
DorkLord54
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While I still don't believe William=MiB, I do think that the portions with William are flashbacks to Dolores' previous off-loop moments, especially since we've seen that Maeve has gone off-loop in the past before, but her constant memory wipes make her forget each time she remembers seeing the employees.
So, what you're saying is, he's looking for the Heart of Westworld, and needs a Scottish bloke to pull the cork at its centre?
So, what you're saying is, he's looking for the Heart of Westworld, and needs a Scottish bloke to pull the cork at its centre?
Discotheque
Banned
it's odd casting if the theory comes to pass for sure. i like the guy they cast as William but he has NONE of the edge or intensity Ed Harris has always had.
like i'll buy it for the story's sake but it would be poor casting if it's true. I don't believe in the theory all that much though.
Might have been mentioned on the show but if they did I missed it. So when exactly is the robot's memory wiped? I was assuming every day since every day seems to be the same but some / most guests are definitely staying longer than a day and some stories obviously only can play out over the course of a few days so... how exactly does that work?
It's when their story lines ends which seems different for each hosts.
We see the sherif come for her from her pov and her scenes aren't a reliable pov cause she's glitching. Even in that scene one second she sees no one at the fountain, then Lawrences daughter appears out of nowhere, then the sherif appears and the girl disappears, and then she begins having flashes of a different loop where she visits her grave at the buried church.
I'm not saying William = MiB, but her sense of time is all out of whack. Pair that up with the line from HQ about them not knowing if she's with anybody and no confirmation from their end that William is with her after the sherif scene leaves the door open for the sherif scene to just be a red herring. It could have happened 30 years ago and the guy HQ is sending now might be someone completely different that hasn't reached her yet.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Really, the only support for time distortion is that the 3 groups (Delos, MiB and the two executives) haven't interacted with one another.
What if this was just a traditional "3 disparate groups have their own story before later being woven into one" and everyone put on their "Lost" hats and went out of their mind with wild theories?
And btw who is the yellow king?? (/true detective)
I'm not against the theory, and I kind of like it too. Just playing devil's advocate.
What if this was just a traditional "3 disparate groups have their own story before later being woven into one" and everyone put on their "Lost" hats and went out of their mind with wild theories?
And btw who is the yellow king?? (/true detective)
I'm not against the theory, and I kind of like it too. Just playing devil's advocate.
Isn't that part of the point? MiB wasn't always this way. Something in the park made him this way. He was "born" there. Before that he was someone else. Possibly someone less intense and edgy.
Discotheque
Banned
i get what you mean, but the person should at least have the potential of one day being that mean looking. i don't see that in the McPoyle brother at all really.
it's maybe asking too much but someone who could flip the switch from being unassuming to stone cold would have been ideal. oh well, aint that big an issue. the actor is fine otherwise.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Delos indirectly interacted with MiB when they authorized his bomb. Delos also indirectly interacted with the two executives when they sent that guy to take back Dolores.
Chuckie
Member
Delores. That is two. Although I agree with you that there's probably nothing there.
It's Dolores.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well there it is.
They didn't though. The directly interacted with MiB multiple times (even viewing him on their tablets). MiB's interaction with the present narrative is 100% confirmed. It's not in doubt. He also interacts with Hector, Teddy, and numerous other hosts we know are part of the present storylines in Westworld.
No one has directly interacted with William and Logan other than Dolores. There is a host sent to bring her home... back to the farm. But the Delos control room conversation was about Dolores alone with no confirmation of other guests with her, and the instruction was to flag it with Behavioral to recover her and do a diagnostic, not "send a host to bring her back on loop" so it's not explicit that the events are related. If there is a single scene of the current control room actually acknowledging William and Logan, the theory is dead. That has't happened yet. It's a low bar.
No doubt MiB exist on the same timeframe as current Ford, Bernard, security guy, that chick, etc.
William, on the other hand, is weird.
Now I'm not part of the William=MiB camp. I'm still not convince there's any substantial evidence that can back this up.
But one thing I found strange is that I've yet seen William interact with any of the present day characters. Besides his friend, did he ever have any interaction with non-host? park employees?
Also, does anyone remember whether William have any interaction with Maeve? I'm asking this because based on her "memory" she was not always a prostitute.
So even if William is not MiB...I think it's still possible his scene are part of the past and not the present. But maybe he'll run into other character later.