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[Shangounchained]

But that 230 gflops figure was GPU related only. There was also the gflops value for Cell which increasingly became part of the graphics rendering.

Cell plus RSX delivered Moreover than 400 gflops.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Got my doubts about next gen console GPUs being weak. But considering how held back current gen GPUs were due to the weak Jaguar cores, even a moderate increase in GPU power will show much better results due more developers able to get the most out of them due to the Ryzen cores (it's all about those draw calls).

 

[Shangounchained]

But then the PS3 was complicated to work with it had bogus architecture compared to ps4s easy and improved architecture, plus the gddr6 pushing in 8gb at 176gb/s than the ps3s 256 mb for CPU and 256 for GPU! So it's easily a 10x leap

 

[michaelius]

People are ridiculus we are still talking about 6+ times faster than base ps4 and 2 times faster than 2 years old Xbox X possibly at lower price point than X was.

 

[shenmue mugen]

Sorry I mixed it up. But my point was that directly comparing PS4 and PS3 GPUs is misleading since the PS3 was really dependent on heavy use of SPEs to really shine graphically.

 

[Shangounchained]

Got my doubts about next gen console GPUs being weak. But considering how held back current gen GPUs were due to the weak Jaguar cores, even a moderate increase in GPU power will show much better results due more developers able to get the most out of them due to the Ryzen cores (it's all about those draw calls).

Problem is nextgen consoles are targeting 4k as base and not 1080p anymore, Lockhart was the 1080p nextgen console which people don't want so if 4k is the target then graphics won't be improved as much because all the computing resources will be used to crunch 4k pixels

 

[Pimpbaa]

Problem is nextgen consoles are targeting 4k as base and not 1080p anymore, Lockhart was the 1080p nextgen console which people don't want so if 4k is the target then graphics won't be improved as much because all the computing resources will be used to crunch 4k pixels

We already have mid gen refresh of consoles that target 4k. They are without a doubt putting better GPUs than what was in the X (which could do RDR2 at true 4k). Better GPUs plus more memory and more memory bandwidth means 4k shouldn't be that much of a problem. More advanced reconstruction techniques (better than what 1st party devs were doing on the Pro) will no doubt be somewhat common next gen as well, for those devs who want to use the GPU for other things besides pushing a native 4k image. It only becomes a problem is if devs doing something silly like targeting 8k.

 

[Shangounchained]

We already have mid gen refresh of consoles that target 4k. They are without a doubt putting better GPUs than what was in the X (which could do RDR2 at true 4k). Better GPUs plus more memory and more memory bandwidth means 4k shouldn't be that much of a problem. More advanced reconstruction techniques (better than what 1st party devs were doing on the Pro) will no doubt be somewhat common next gen as well, for those devs who want to use the GPU for other things besides pushing a native 4k image. It only becomes a problem is if devs doing something silly like targeting 8k.

Were not saying that graphics won't be improved they will be improved it's obvious but not to a big degree if 4k is the target, it won't be a huge leap, I prefer them to target 1080p and have freedom to design games to the max potential of graphics and scale the fidelity down for users who use 4k TVs which is 10 percent of the population either this or Lockhart! Cause it's pointless to target 4k when less than half the users have the tvs

 

[mckmas8808]

It's probably true, and I've been saying as much since the rumored power levels started to appear.

Compared to Xbox One X you're simply not going to get that huge of a jump in graphics. Yes there will be Ray-Tracing hardware, but it remains to be seen what AMD will do for their solution and this is AMDs first generation implementation. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ray-Tracing in the consoles turns out less impressive than even the first generation of RTX, which will be over two years old by the time next-gen consoles launch.

But why would you compare it to the Xbox One X? There isn't one game on planet Earth that's been made with that console only in mind.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Were not saying that graphics won't be improved they will be improved it's obvious but not to a big degree if 4k is the target, it won't be a huge leap, I prefer them to target 1080p and have freedom to design games to the max potential of graphics and scale the fidelity down for users who use 4k TVs which is 10 percent of the population either this or Lockhart! Cause it's pointless to target 4k when less than half the users have the tvs

I think you are underestimating the amount of 4k TVs out there. If it were 10 percent of the gamers out there, the Pro and X wouldn't have existed. Asking for 1080p next gen would have been like asking for 720p this gen. 4K for next gen consoles should be as easy as it was targeting 1080p with the standard PS4. As for Lockhart, that would be a bigger blunder than the standard xbox one this gen if MS are stupid enough to go ahead with it.

 

[Afro Republican]

OP you do realize that the GPU in the Xbox and PS4 were already low-end when they LAUNCHED right?

 

[Trogdor1123]

I'd rather them have the load times and things like that be their primary concerns over graphics. 60fps too

 

[Shangounchained]

I think you are underestimating the amount of 4k TVs out there. If it were 10 percent of the gamers out there, the Pro and X wouldn't have existed. Asking for 1080p next gen would have been like asking for 720p this gen. 4K for next gen consoles should be as easy as it was targeting 1080p with the standard PS4. As for Lockhart, that would be a bigger blunder than the standard xbox one this gen if MS are stupid enough to go ahead with it.

People just buy things sometimes regardless of use, I know alot of my friends with a PS4 pro and no 4k TV my blood brother has a Xbox one X without a 4k TV, people will buy a ps5 even if it targeted 8k simply because it's a ps5 same way people buy iPhones each year simply because it's the new thing out there some don't even know how to use the phone!

Sales don't tell the big picture some buy because theyr fans some because it's the new thing some because of its usefulness and it's the usefulness I'm talking about Microsoft advertised that it'll do 8k 120fps that's probably 1 percent of gamers with a 8k TV that even supports 120hz, I'm not saying I don't like it I'm just saying it's not realistic, 1080p though is realistic! Unless people can get a 4ktv at 100$ or unless you force everybody to throw away his 1080p TV it's just bonkers

 

[FranXico]

Is ERA lacking maths?

?

Did they ever know maths?

 

[Pimpbaa]

People just buy things sometimes regardless of use, I know alot of my friends with a PS4 pro and no 4k TV my blood brother has a Xbox one X without a 4k TV, people will buy a ps5 even if it targeted 8k simply because it's a ps5 same way people buy iPhones each year simply because it's the new thing out there some don't even know how to use the phone!

Sales don't tell the big picture some buy because theyr fans some because it's the new thing some because of its usefulness and it's the usefulness I'm talking about Microsoft advertised that it'll do 8k 120fps that's probably 1 percent of gamers with a 8k TV that even supports 120hz, I'm not saying I don't like it I'm just saying it's not realistic, 1080p though is realistic! Unless people can get a 4ktv at 100$ or unless you force everybody to throw away his 1080p TV it's just bonkers

The only thing bonkers is you think that most people that bought the Pro or the X have 1080p TVs. 1080p is dead as far as TVs go. Even the budget ones are 4k. That was true even when the Pro first came out, and now even more so. Every TV you see on stores shelves are 4k. And this is coming from someone who still has 1080p TV.

 

[Shangounchained]

People just buy things sometimes regardless of use, I know alot of my friends with a PS4 pro and no 4k TV my blood brother has a Xbox one X without a 4k TV, people will buy a ps5 even if it targeted 8k simply because it's a ps5 same way people buy iPhones each year simply because it's the new thing out there some don't even know how to use the phone!

The only thing bonkers is you think that most people that bought the Pro or the X have 1080p TVs. 1080p is dead as far as TVs go. Even the budget ones are 4k. That was true even when the Pro first came out, and now even more so. Every TV you see on stores shelves are 4k. And this is coming from someone who still has 1080p TV.

How ironic so u still have a 1080p TV. And think because u see 4ktvs on store shelves then suddenly everybody should have them, your thinking is bonkers my friend? Literally I don't have a 4k TV none of my mates have it and nobody I know and nobody I've visited has a 4ktv, it's simply mob psychology working most people crying for 4k don't even have 4k TVs... They just go with the mob and their ultimate goal is to simply say I bought a ps5 and it can output 4k. This is the harsh reality.

 

[Pimpbaa]

How ironic so u still have a 1080p TV. And think because u see 4ktvs on store shelves then suddenly everybody should have them, your thinking is bonkers my friend? Literally I don't have a 4k TV none of my mates have it and nobody I know and nobody I've visited has a 4ktv, it's simply mob psychology working most people crying for 4k don't even have 4k TVs... They just go with the mob and their ultimate goal is to simply say I bought a ps5 and it can output 4k. This is the harsh reality.

EVERYONE I know has a 4k tv. My parents have a 4k tv and they rarely watch 4k content. 1080p will be about as dead as standard definition CRTs were when last gen really got started. My 1080p TV was already rare when I got back before the Pro came out. Almost all new models were 4k (and that is almost 4 to 5 years now). Now they are ALL 4k. The only people with 1080p displays now are people holding on to 5 year old or more models. Like I said, asking for 1080p next gen would be like asking for 720 this gen, or standard definition for the 360 or PS3. New consoles are rarely aimed at people with outdated equipment (Wii was a rarity).

 

[Shangounchained]

EVERYONE I know has a 4k tv. My parents have a 4k tv and they rarely watch 4k content. 1080p will be about as dead as standard definition CRTs were when last gen really got started. My 1080p TV was already rare when I got back before the Pro came out. Almost all new models were 4k (and that is almost 4 to 5 years now). Now they are ALL 4k. The only people with 1080p displays now are people holding on to 5 year old or more models. Like I said, asking for 1080p next gen would be like asking for 720 this gen, or standard definition for the 360 or PS3. New consoles are rarely aimed at people with outdated equipment (Wii was a rarity).

Not everybody is a rich gamer and 1080p isn't outdated it's simply a standard norm, digital foundry guys even prefer CRTs to 4ktvs so not everything new is a must.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Not everybody is a rich gamer and 1080p isn't outdated it's simply a standard norm, digital foundry guys even prefer CRTs to 4ktvs so not everything new is a must.

This isn't 2012. Budget TVs are 4k now nor are they even remotely new. You don't have to be rich to own one. My parents paid less for their 60 inch 4k tv than I did my 55 inch 1080 tv a few year before.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I think he just phrased it badly.... he probably means that CPU and loading will be the most significant jump forward, that is partly due to how gimped the PS4 and Xbox One cpus were this gen.

The GPU's this generation were quite capable and showed in the progress made throughout the past few years. The new GPU's are still a significant jump but not quite as dramatic as the CPU.

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[VFXVeteran]

So came across the below info on Era that only CPU & SSD would be the true leap and that next gen consoles won't see a significant leap in GPU. what are your thoughts GAF?

This is nothing new. I said that over and over too. "Next-gen consoles weakest link will be the GPU".. "My sources tell me performance between 1080 and 1080Ti performance", etc.. etc..

People can wish for 2080Ti all day long. It's completely unrealistic and isn't happening.

 

[Bolivar687]

Well... the reality is that the jump in mid-high end performance you on the PC side hasn't been significant in the last 4-5 years either and we know that consoles now use customised PC parts from AMD. I think the next gen consoles will be looking at something like a custom 5700 XT with a sprinkling of raytracing support.

Native 4k at high/ultra settings at decent framerates is still a problem for the vast majority of the GPUs on the market, and then when you add raytracing to the mix things look even less respectable from a performance standpoint.

This is why I laugh when people talk about the next generation of HDMI on consoles and 4k @ 120fps. What gpu on the market today is capable of doing so in modern AA/AAA games? That's right, none. So Microsoft and Sony will throw all these buzzwords out there like they usually do - 8k, 4k, ray tracing, 120fps, etc, etc. But the harsh reality is the fact that you won't see any of the above in combination and you will be lucky to see any of them in their purest form.

If they want to push raytracing then games will not be native 4k, never mind 8k (say hello to the next generation of checkerboard rendering solutions) and you will be looking at 30fps.

There's a reason why the current sweet spot for most PC gamers is 1440p @60-144Hz rather than 4k @30-60hz. Even those with the best hardware you can have often shoot for that former resolution and refresh rate combo over the latter. It's quite simply a much better overall gaming experience.

The CPU's in consoles were always going to be the area where they stand to gain the most moving to next gen. Things have steadily progressed there in the last 5 years and it comes at a time when AMD are having the biggest resurgence they have ever had from a CPU standpoint. The CPU's in the current generation of consoles are also a joke and are typically outpaced by current generation mobile phone CPU's from the likes of snapdragon.

^ Post of the thread right here.

Before I bought my last monitor, I was looking at putting together a 4K upgrade and it just didn't make any sense. I totally agree that 1440p, high refresh, and adaptive sync are really where you want to be. It's so absurd to me that these console manufacturers were chasing 4K on their mid-gen refresh, and leaning on all sorts of crazy dynamic resolution and framerate swings to do it. I guess I can't argue that it kept the demand going.

I think the new consoles will be a really sweet transition, but no one should realistically expect the kind of leaps of previous generations.

 

[wordslaughter]

There will still be a large jump in graphics simply due to the jump in base hardware.

It will also depend on how much demand there is for native 4k. That alone will eat up the majority of the extra power next gen affords.

Also after RDR2 its hard not to notice that its lighting is superior to any examples of RTX ray tracing I've seen ( minus reflections ). But I'm sure as time passes developers will discover new methods of raytracting that look better AND use less resources. Can't help but feel like RTX raytracing is needlessly demanding to pseudo justify their pricey RTX lineup.

If anything, next gen CPU and GPU power will be more balanced than they were this gen.

 

[brap]

Boy I can't wait to play the same games that look slightly better!!!

 

[Ten_Fold]

Since games are made with base models in mind, the jump will be nice.