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[Skin]

Drinky if I may, what's your IQ?

 

[Drinky Crow]

Johnny: You're a Nintendo fanboy, and you aren't a developer or hardware expert, by your own admission. You're an easily excitable photographer. How could your claims be anything BUT assumptions -- and phrased assertively, against all reason? You had an agenda, and that's why we have this thread.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Skin, slightly better than that of a dead cactus. When I'm drinking, it drops a bit.

 

[GaimeGuy]

You're a Nintendo fanboy, and you aren't a developer. How could your claims be anything BUT assumptions -- and phrased assertively, against all reason?

Well, your assumptions, being a nintendo-hater, aren't any more credible than his are.

Besides, he's been right on several past occasions.

 

[Monk]

You are stupid if you think that Nintendo are going to show the revolution after this. I mean why keep it a secret if they are going to show it a few days later?

 

[Drinky Crow]

Of course he's been right when he conveys specific information. When he veers into the realm of speculation, on the other hand, he doesn't exactly have the same level of credibility. Stick to established facts -- like the specific images on a demo reel -- and yer fine. Make judgment calls about hardware performance and pass them off as fact in snarky one-liners, and you'll get asked to validate your reasoning. Fair?

 

[mrkgoo]

I'm really only speculating. This could be an articulated overarching strategy by Nintendo. The Revolution COULD be a staggering piece of PS3-caliber hardware in a box 1/3rd of the size. But if it WAS, they coulda shut down Sony in a heartbeat at E3, and been pre-emptively declared the NEXT GEN WINNAR by the geek media. Still: who knows? Nintendo is both surprisingly clever and unfathomably reactionary. In this context, I think past history favors the latter case.

Either way, people are talking about Nintendo. More people are concerned with hating N, than discussing PS3 specs, or wallguy now. No such thing as BAD publicity?

 

[imastalker co.]

You're an easily excitable photographer.

how do you figure? oh that's right, we know each other. silly me, how could i forget? i must have been so excited i forgot or something.

side note: the AIM and PMs asking for secret info have to stop now! i leak what i can, when i can, why can't you guys understand that? i've had to tell some of you guys multiple times. chill out already, you're not gonna get special treatment.

 

[Skin]

Skin, slightly better than that of a dead cactus. When I'm drinking, it drops a bit.

Fair enough.

 

[MVS]

No Paradigm Shift Get?

Sad Panda

 

[Drinky Crow]

 

[Skin]

how do you figure? oh that's why, we know each other. silly me, how could i forget? i must have been so excited i forgot or something.


side note: the AIM and PMs asking for secret info have to stop now! i leak what i can, when i can, why can't you guys understand that? i've had to tell some of you guys multiple times. chill out already, you're not gonna get special treatment.

I'll massage your prostate!

 

[imastalker co.]

Make judgment calls about hardware performance and pass them off as fact in snarky one-liners, and you'll get asked to validate your reasoning. Fair?

this much i learned after todays events. we're square.

doesn't change the fact that i know what i know thoug

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

side note: the AIM and PMs asking for secret info have to stop now! i leak what i can, when i can, why can't you guys understand that?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Vinzer Deling]

Can you confirm that the Rev will be triple chromed?

 

[jetpacks was yes]

how do you figure? oh that's right, we know each other. silly me, how could i forget? i must have been so excited i forgot or something.

side note: the AIM and PMs asking for secret info have to stop now! i leak what i can, when i can, why can't you guys understand that? i've had to tell some of you guys multiple times. chill out already, you're not gonna get special treatment.

Well, can you at least tell us is the revolutionary aspect of the system has been shown yet? That's all I ask...

 

[Drinky Crow]

Square. Believe it or not, your desire to garner Nintendo hype for its desperate fanbase aside, I don't think you've been remotely dishonest. You saw some freaky cool shit; you wanted to run and tell the folks who'd appreciate it the most. I'm actually DEFENDING you here; I'm just trying to make the point that when you speculate in that context, fanboys are gonna read it as fact. These kids take EVERYTHING they can find as ammo for the console wars.

Expectations kill E3 EVERY year. The winners defy them successfully; the losers excuse them.

 

[Hero]

Anybody pissed at Johnny just hyped themselves up.

It doesn't surprise me that Nintendo changed their conference since Sony and the PS3 would destroy almost ANYTHING afterwards.

They're saving their hand.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised either if the last day of E3 they showed off some more stuff.

 

[Dilbert]

Y'know, arguing over whether Johnny intentionally or unintentionally misled people with his "insider info" begs a larger question: Why is leaking ANY information in a public forum considered to be a good thing?

I am constantly amazed at how utterly poor most people are at keeping secrets, and all of the insider (and wannabe-insider) info floated during the runup to E3 is yet another example. Unless authorized by an authority for a specific purpose or strategy, the fact that ANY of you are willing to leak "insider information" is disturbing. Oh, by the way, saying "I know something but I can't tell you" is almost as bad, since now you've made yourself a target for people who are hellbent on figuring out your privileged info. The best way to protect a secret is for people to not even know that you know.

Suffice it to say that in my line of work, that kind of behavior wouldn't just get you fired -- it would land you in jail.

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

...
For now, we don't know much on Revolution. But I'm certain that we will know much more by the end of E3, including the wonders which Johnny said we'd see.

Could be a "behind closed doors" presentation. Reggie said something about this in a recent interview.

 

[bigNman]

Johnny can you please answer me this without sidestepping?

If Nintendo had showed the footage you claim to have seen would it have 'given away' the revolutionary aspect of the system or would it merely have served as a showcase for the systems graphics?

 

[Virgin Wii]

Y'know, arguing over whether Johnny intentionally or unintentionally misled people with his "insider info" begs a larger question: Why is leaking ANY information in a public forum considered to be a good thing?

I am constantly amazed at how utterly poor most people are at keeping secrets, and all of the insider (and wannabe-insider) info floated during the runup to E3 is yet another example. Unless authorized by an authority for a specific purpose or strategy, the fact that ANY of you are willing to leak "insider information" is disturbing. Oh, by the way, saying "I know something but I can't tell you" is almost as bad, since now you've made yourself a target for people who are hellbent on figuring out your privileged info. The best way to protect a secret is for people to not even know that you know.

Suffice it to say that in my line of work, that kind of behavior wouldn't just get you fired -- it would land you in jail.

I don't think he really leaked anything, though. Just trying to steer us in the right direction.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Here's my GUESS on how it played out:

Nintendo had cooked up a little reel of Revolution works-in-progress. They, like most navel-gazing folks in the industry, probably figured that Sony would focus on current gen content and not go balls out with the PS3 hype machine -- that Ken and Kaz would play coy with the PS3 specs and wait to make a concrete announcement at a later date. Hell, I think MOST folks save a few deep insiders expected that, including a few VPs.

Sony drops a big ol' bomb designed to send geeks into a next-gen slather. Reggie and Iwata realize that ANYTHING they run after that is gonna be the CANONICAL comparison between the PS3 and Revolution for the next six-plus months, and that the Revolution will be painted as "a disappointing effort by Nintendo to compete". The traditional spin of "we're about content, not hardware" won't work, because the demo reel belies that strategy; it focused on graphics and audiovisuals, but the presentation and the numbers don't match up in any way that can be conveniently excused.

So they gank the demo reel, extend the DS portion, confine the Rev talk to some teaser images and the product design, and delay the conference by 45 minutes as they get the revised program locked down. To them, it seems perfectly positive and exciting; they've forgotten how fanboy and media expectations work. Now the Revolution remains a mystery-at-large (barring leaks), and the focus is on PS3 versus 360, not PS3 versus 360 versus Revolution -- a match they can't win in the eyes of the larger media narrative.

The new strategy is to wait and create a more Revolution-centric unveiling that emphasizes the new controller and content scheme after the initial PS3 shock has died down and the media is a little more receptive. Plus, it's a better chance to get media coverage sans direct comparisons to Sony's juggernaut.

The mistake they made was anticipating Sony. Sony roared, and it stopped poor Nintendo in their tracks. The conference was a hasty reshuffling, and will probably prove a better media exposure strategy in the long term than going ahead and taking the massive ding.

I still think they shoulda shown the controller, but I *suspect* that in their panic, they cut everything that might give the competition too much information or a perceived edge. Was it wise? As ever: fuck if I know.

Bingo. That's partially what I was trying to say but you stated it much more eloquently.

 

[puck1337]

Look, when are you going to admit to being a viral marketer? This is getting ridiculous.

*slams fist on desk*

I hope to God that you're Federman, because I would love to see the faces on people who fell for Megaton AND the sequel.

 

[Ruas]

So theres going to be a Space World...?

 

[Jeff-DSA]

I feel for you Johnny, I really do.

I had the same thing happen to me as you did on the IGN boards. I have a buddy at NOA that told me things that were "100% surely going to be shown or announced" and they never materialized, but were merely hinted at. Some of it was completely ignored by Nintendo.

I got ran off a forum for getting people excited, I hope they don't do it to you here.

 

[Frank the Great]

The Nintendrones are now going on a rumour that the Revolution will be revealed on Thursday, based on what that Aries guy said at the brokensaints blog.

He predicted backwards compatibility with all previous Nintendo systems, SSB online at launch, and a Square-Enix online game, which all came true.

However, the interesting part is that he also said that Nintendo's press conference would be lame. He said Nintendo would "punk" us all and reveal the Revolution on the 19th.

On top of this, there were 4 teaser clips that played on nintendo.com leading up to the PC. I didn't see them, but this is the description of Ronn from the blog:

Right before the pressconference, there were four short clips on the Nintendo.com website which would be activated when trying to click on something. It showed some people in discussion on how they would fill in their E3 showing. So they got to talk about the pressconference on tuesday and some party on wednesday, and then they still got something planned for thursday and friday which they wouldn’t elaborate about, saying we “have to wait”. One of the clips also showed Reggie saying: “don’t make me do it! I’ll take your name.” and the last one showing a frowning WTF?!-like face.

Thursday is the 19th. Something could be up.

I personally believe that this is all bullshit, and Megaton 2.0, but hey, it's a possibility.

 

[Odysseus]

What Can I Say?

You can start with nothing. I don't even know why people are still trying to ask you stuff in this thread.

It is all so pathetic.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Thursday is the 19th. Something could be up.

Could be. Might be the controller, at least. I still can't fathom why they didn't show it. Maybe they'd show the case as a teaser, and leak the rest out over the course of E3. Reggie's a showman, after all. At any rate, we'll see.

 

[PC Gaijin]

1 guy, not several. $10.

So it was you :lol. And several people came forward with stories of being scammed by you, not just one. And the original scam was $20 :lol. Dude, you should just deny it all rather than trying to minimize it by saying "oh, it was only one guy and for only $10".

And anyone getting worked up over being disappointed by Nintendo's conference due to anything that Johnny Nighttrain said has only themselves to blame. I haven't followed everything he has claimed leading up to E3, but has he ever given real specifics on anything? Everything I've seen him post was so intentionally vague that if Nintendo revealed anything close to what he said he could claim validation. If not he could always fall back on his many "take this with a grain of salt guys, this source has always been on the money in the past but you never know, now I'm not saying 100% this will happen, blah blah blah". Most of his stuff sounded like what anyone could gather from speculation in forums across the net.

 

[heidern]

To them, it seems perfectly positive and exciting; they've forgotten how fanboy and media expectations work. Now the Revolution remains a mystery-at-large (barring leaks), and the focus is on PS3 versus 360, not PS3 versus 360 versus Revolution -- a match they can't win in the eyes of the larger media narrative.

But this is why it's so perfect. Fact is, Sony have utterly kicked the shit out of Microsoft and xenon. Their system will be(is being) hyped as being far more powerful, they have the next-gen media format, they have the established franchises, they have the backwards compatibility, they are the market leader the 800 pound gorilla. All Microsoft have is a headstart that is less than 6 months, and will be worth maybe 4-5 million, which will be down to 1-2 million with a month or so.

The focus has gone from ps3-360-revolution, to ps3-360. If Sony are declared as the inevitible victor, it leaves room to come in as the only opposition. In 3 months time, if Nintendo come in with the Revolution having comparable power to the 360 or more, but with added features like built-in wi-fi, backwards compatibility and the revolution itself, they could make themselves the viable opposition. The focus could then be ps3 vs rev with Microsoft being the outsider.

 

[MrPing1000]

If Nintendo punk'd us all that would be some serious funny stuff :lol

I'll believe it when i see it though

ps I love gaf threads like this show that we can have a pretty damn civilised conversation piece

 

[etiolate]

If Rev games looked better than the 360 ones then I'd think they would show them still. Sony isn't the only company they are competing with.

 

[fortified_concept]

I can't say that I'm not a little disappointed that they didn't show anything but Reggie did mention several times that this E3 would not be Revolution's coming out party.

If you just stop to think about it for a minute it was actually a very wise move not to show anything. No matter what they showed they weren't going to top Sony. That much is clear. By tossing their hat into the ring at this point in time it would create a 3 way race from here on out.

Things can get muddled quickly in a three way race. If Nintendo shows the Revolution and the games don't look that much better or even worse than those on the X360 then MS becomes a viable #2 console for many people (with PS3 being #1 for most) and they will buy one at launch with plans to buy a PS3 when it comes out.

By not showing the Revolution, Nintendo avoided having its debut overshadowed by Sony and left many people in limbo about buying an X360 at or near launch. Unlike Sony, MS has yet to close the deal next-gen with many people and IMO Nintendo knows this. Its best for them to stay out of it and let Sony spend all of its energy chipping away at the X360 over the next few months while they spend time preparing their software. If they wait until they are ready and make a good first impression they have a clear shot at being a solid #2 the next time around.

And Nighttrain.... I hope that everything you said does in fact happen. You've been right in the past so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

What he said...

 

[Frank the Great]

Imagine how brilliant it would be if out of nowhere Nintendo has Revolution games playable on the show floor with graphics rivaling PS3. EVERYONE, all gamers, all media, would be talking about it, and wanting to learn more about the system and its innovative features.

This way it wouldn't get overshadowed by the PS3's unveiling. Pretty smart, if true.

 

[TheQueen'sOwn]

Thank you!
You're now officially signed up for daily Nintendo E3 updates.

Also, if you're attending E3, please stop by the Nintendo Booth to see what the future of gaming will bring!


Now would Nintendo use the word future to talk about solely a year's worth of games? Damn it... I'm really reaching here =(

 

[mCACGj]

Imagine how brilliant it would be if out of nowhere Nintendo has Revolution games playable on the show floor with graphics rivaling PS3. EVERYONE, all gamers, all media, would be talking about it, and wanting to learn more about the system and its innovative features.

This way it wouldn't get overshadowed by the PS3's unveiling. Pretty smart, if true.

That would be quite ingenious actually, and it would actually turn the tables and put the momentum on Nintendo's side. Chances of happening though? Probably 1%.

I hope you're right Johnny, and I still believe you.

 

[MarkMacD]

cough cough :bullshit: cough

 

[God's Hand]

So Mark, was there footage or wasn't there of Revolution titles? You of all people would know this. I guess you saying bullshit probably means it's all... just that.

 

[shpankey]

i'm sorry, but nintendo fans are so fricken gullible. as long as they bring good news for Ninty, they will believe anyone who spreads it.

johnny, just stfu till you can say something concrete. enough already. breaking all these hearts by building them up with bullshit expectations of PS3 levels when Nintendo themselves have claimed only to have 2-3 times the power of GCN and have also publicly stated it's not about hardware power for them anymore.

So it was you :lol. And several people came forward with stories of being scammed by you, not just one. And the original scam was $20 :lol. Dude, you should just deny it all rather than trying to minimize it by saying "oh, it was only one guy and for only $10".

:lol damn, what an ass :lol

 

[Slurpy]

That would be quite ingenious actually, and it would actually turn the tables and put the momentum on Nintendo's side. Chances of happening though? Probably 1%.

I hope you're right Johnny, and I still believe you.

Imagine, in some alternate reality, this coming true.

But alas.

 

[Shaheed79]

It's all good Johnny I'm not too worried about it. Its not like they showed their cards and their cards sucked they just didn't show anything. But I will say that continuing to bother with Crystal Chronicles license for the Rev is a big mistake. Either get real Square support or none at all.

 

[Yamauchi]

The internet makes you stupid.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

He should charge you dolts $10 a secret.

 

[Shaheed79]

The Nintendrones are now going on a rumour that the Revolution will be revealed on Thursday, based on what that Aries guy said at the brokensaints blog.

He predicted backwards compatibility with all previous Nintendo systems, SSB online at launch, and a Square-Enix online game, which all came true.

However, the interesting part is that he also said that Nintendo's press conference would be lame. He said Nintendo would "punk" us all and reveal the Revolution on the 19th.

On top of this, there were 4 teaser clips that played on nintendo.com leading up to the PC. I didn't see them, but this is the description of Ronn from the blog:



Thursday is the 19th. Something could be up.

I personally believe that this is all bullshit, and Megaton 2.0, but hey, it's a possibility.

Yeah I did notice how just about everything this guy said came true but I didn't want to set myself up for this guy. We are all so underwhelmed that if anything happens with Nintendo during the rest of E3 on the Revolution front it will be very unexpected. Lol it is kind of funny how many people pledged to give up on Nintendo forever after that conference including myself. I'll forgive them eventually as more information is released and as long as the Revolution isn't marginally underpowered.

 

[GG-Duo]

good posts by Drinky. bravo.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Yeah I did notice how just about everything this guy said came true but I didn't want to set myself up for this guy. We are all so underwhelmed that if anything happens with Nintendo during the rest of E3 on the Revolution front it will be very unexpected. Lol it is kind of funny how many people pledged to give up on Nintendo forever after that conference including myself. I'll forgive them eventually as more information is released and as long as the Revolution isn't marginally underpowered.

It's not just what he said. The video on Nintendo.com specifically spoke about a presentation on thursday (the 19th, if you aren't keeping track of dates).

 

[akascream]

Chill out guys. Wait till they show the helmet.


In the meantime, I want battalion wars already. Talk about holy Nintendo sex.

 

[Madrin]

I could have sworn Aries was almost unanimously declared a fraud a little while ago, but I suppose it was just Matt C. and some GAF members voicing opinions. Aries's claims coming true is intriguing. I'm not, however, going to get my hopes up for anything more at this E3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the rest of the expo consist of attendents playing games? When would Nintendo have an opportunity to reveal anything new?

 

[Jonnyram]

I can't find it now because search is gone, but remember that thread where a Nintendo magazine listed a bunch of games to be shown at E3. It included stuff like Mario & Luigi 2, Metroid Dread, Touch Golf, Nintendo Tetris etc? Since that actually turned out to be true, does that mean Nights actually IS in dev for Revolution? Can anyone else locate that thread easily so we can check it?