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[VanWinkle]

You can be opposed to abortion and still think it's ok to not criminalize choice. My main problem with these ethical dilemmas is when people decide "I don't like this. Therefore I feel like the government should step in and criminalize these choices I don't agree with."

Being Anti abortion is not the same ideal as "I think anyone who chooses abortion should be sent to prison".

It's ok for you to have opinions and it's ok for you to have oppositions to things. But does that mean those things should be criminalized? Should everyone be forced through law to conform to your ethical viewpoint?

Is the party who criminalizes abortion while killing programs that feed children more in the right than the party who lets you make your own choices in life and keeps programs that feed children going?

To your last paragraph, I don't agree with the way the Republican party handles things. They select what they want to care about. I guess my thing is that I'm fine with things that don't harm others even if I'm against the thing itself (like I hate marijuana and the weird tensions it has caused in peoples relationships around me, but I don't think marijuana use should be criminalized). But when it comes to another life, I can't be okay with its legality. You say it's a person's choice in life, and that's because you don't feel that the fetus - in the state it's in - has a choice in the matter. I don't consider terminating a fetus a choice, because I am not for the killing of an innocent life, even it's its only in the pre-birth stages. We just have a fundamental difference in how we see the issue.

Now, granted, I understand that the law says abortion is legal, but I'm just letting you know why even legally I'm against it.

Conservatism seems to also be against contraception. Not to mention that harsher abortion laws would just shift the ordeal into the shady again which is much more endangering for the mother.
Abortion isn't a modern phenomenon. Towards natural causes, the morning after pill is medicine like any other that uses bodily functions to treat a symptom.

Heck you live in a country that still carries out executions.

I don't know if they're AGAINST contraception, but conservatives are definitely wrong (IMO) to not place more emphasis on easy access to birth control, being that they're against abortion. And, ugh, yeah, I really dislike the death penalty.

 

[Antiwhippy]

How do you feel about abortion in cases of rape or non-consensual intercourse?

Also there are too many women's lives who are set back by having kids too early. Do you think they should carry a burden just because they were young and made a mistake?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

What do "conservative values" mean to you?

My niece is giving birth to my granddaughter.

 

[VanWinkle]

How do you feel about abortion in cases of rape or non-consensual intercourse?

I go back and forth on how I feel from a moral standpoint. It's a very hard question that I'm just lucky I don't have to make a decision on.

Also there are too many women's lives who are set back by having kids too early. Do you think they should carry a burden just because they were young and made a mistake?

I don't like anybody having to carry a burden because of a mistake they made, but I can't morally say they should be able to take a life (even if it IS in pre-birth stages) because of that mistake.

Regardless, I hate to have arguments about abortion, so I'll probably just stop before it heats up and anybody gets angry. The two sides of the issue have a fundamental disagreement, where there is nothing one can say that will persuade the other, because the foundation from which we base our argument relies on an understanding that the other person doesn't share.

 

[travisbickle]

Conservative ideas of charity make me sick. Over produce food to the point where something like 30% is thrown away as waste. Then lock access to the food behind monetary exchange so you can feel good about yourself being wealthy enough to afford it and self-righteous in the act of giving it away to the people who can't afford it.

 

[maquiladora]

"Conservative values" tend to involve : racism, sexism, homophobia, greed, anti-science, the unwavering belief in certain brands of magic, the pure hatred of competing brands of magic and just general ignorance.

 

[Freshmaker]

People are uneducated, hateful, bigoted, and racist, if they believe and defend western culture's core values?

Western culture predates Christianity. Greek or Roman core values were sharply different from the core values of Puritanical England. You gotta be more specific in which core values you're talking about.

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

"Conservative values" IMO means trying to live like a privileged family guy in the suburbs with your nose up high. Anyone that does not conform to your standards is beneath you.

As a person with libertarian values, it should not matter what other people think, so long as we can still work together to build/advance society.

 

[Red]

Conservative ideas of charity make me sick. Over produce food to the point where something like 30% is thrown away as waste. Then lock access to the food behind monetary exchange so you can feel good about yourself being wealthy enough to afford it and self-righteous in the act of giving it away to the people who can't afford it.

Not sure if I follow this one. Lots of food is wasted but it's not necessarily locked behind "monetary exchange." Food can be given freely. But in large quantities there can be significant costs involved, for things like shipping and storage. It's not a conservative thing to somehow not want to donate food. In fact, most food drives I've been involved in have been largely conservative. That's one thing I got to hand to them.

 

[theignoramus]

Conservatism strongly appeals to emotions rooted in resentment of a racial, ethnic or religious other and it yearns for the time period when women, gays and minorities meekly accepted what was given to them.

 

[KonradLaw]

To me personally it means catholic worldview. That's it.
But I live in Poland. The "good old days" were socialism/communism here and they were utterly dreadful, so nobody sane is missing them outside of the "I liked it because I was young back them" viewpoint.
And since we're one of the most homogenous countries on the planet, there's no real racial viewpoints either. In fact most of the distinctions between conservative/progressive or left/right doesn't really apply to Poland.

 

[DietRob]

This:

 

[Red]

To me personally it means catholic worldview. That's it.
But I live in Poland. The "good old days" were socialism/communism here and they were utterly dreadful, so nobody sane is missing them outside of the "I liked it because I was young back them" viewpoint.
And since we're one of the most homogenous countries on the planet, there's no real racial viewpoints either. In fact most of the distinctions between conservative/progressive or left/right doesn't really apply to Poland.

Protestant population is larger than Catholic in the U.S., and Catholicism has been looked down on in the past.

 

[travisbickle]

Not sure if I follow this one. Lots of food is wasted but it's not necessarily locked behind "monetary exchange." Food can be given freely. But in large quantities there can be significant costs involved, for things like shipping and storage. It's not a conservative thing to somehow not want to donate food. In fact, most food drives I've been involved in have been largely conservative. That's one thing I got to hand to them.

supermarkets waste millions of tonnes of food every year, is that because no one needs it? No it's because we sell food as a commodity at an exchange value in stores.

We live in a capitalist commodity market economy. You need money to buy commodities to feed yourself, if you don't have money you can't feed yourself.

So people without money should starve but we have "moral conservatives" offering charity? Why do they want to keep them alive except give themselves a sense of superiority?

 

[Zelias]

Conservative values?

Fuck the poor
Fuck women
Fuck minorities
Fuck it
Fuck you

It's the Konami of political positions.

And with the exception of traditional families, none of the things listed in the OP are exclusively conservative values.

 

[Red]

supermarkets waste millions of tonnes of food every year, is that because no one needs it? No it's because we sell food as a commodity at an exchange value in stores.

We live in a capitalist commodity market economy. You need money to buy commodities to feed yourself, if you don't have money you can't feed yourself.

So people without money should starve but we have "moral conservatives" offering charity? Why do they want to keep them alive except give themselves a sense of superiority?

Supermarkets waste food because it is cheaper to waste the food than to donate it. There are laws and tax breaks that could make large charitable donations of food more viable, but I don't think there is something in conservative values that impels people to keep the hungry hungry. Food waste is more complicated than that.

In particular what I'm talking about is not the systemic problems facing the poor, which conservatism absolutely has a hand in, but the idea that conservatism precludes charitable giving. That's not true.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

It's sad to see Conservatism politicized so much these days and all the Trump haters paint all Conservatives as "racists, bigots, uneducated, violent, hateful."

To me, conservative values stand for:

- Traditional families, with two-parent households. Now, this is simply one of many ways families can look. I'm not saying any one way is right or wrong. But conservatism advocates for having children, and having two parents share household responsibilities, and having dinner at the family table (and not in front of the TV/computer), and talking to our kids.
- Manners and decorum. A time when etiquette mattered more in society, and children learned how to properly set up the dinner table and greet adults. Swearing was considered indecorous, and popular songs had clean lyrics. People debated with each other with civility, not with insults or profanities.
- Fashion: conservatism often means longer skirts, less cleavage, and a philosophy of "less is more." It encourages showing restraint when it comes to: talking about yourself, displaying yourself, and drawing attention to yourself. It preaches kindness over narcissism.
- Face-to-face interactions: it harkins to a time when we knew our neighbors and made in person visits to our friends, not more impersonal methods of connecting such as over email, text, Facebook, or snapchat.
- Hard work: not that people today do not work hard, but Conservatism focuses on having a good work ethic, and making something of yourself. Contributing something worthwhile to society. Not the consumerist mindset so prevalent today that's mostly about "what am I getting" and "how much more can I buy."

If Conservatism meant ONLY this, then the world might be a little more bearable place to live in. But that kinda of "conservatism" isn't solely seen in Conservative(Right wing) camps. You see that everywhere to different degrees, and in a way, that type of conservatism isn't bad. You can want a traditional family(two parents and children) and be liberal or gay, yet still cherish that structure. You can still honor family values, quality time and live a low tech lifestyle as well. It's not something reserved for Republicans or such.

What constitutes NOW as Conservatism seems to be more an attitude that fears change or different lifestyles, with some odd and stilted nostalgia for "the good old days" in the way where you only cherry pick things you thought were beneficial to society, but turn a blind eye to everything horrible going on back then. When men were MEN and women knew their place. Where everybody lived in a picturesque Norman Rockwell-type of life, with white picket fences, friendly neighbors that greeted each other with a "Howdy!", but only if you were White and Middle Classed(Minorities and the poor need not apply). That sort of "existence" is a fantasy. It's Stepford Wives type of shit. If anything, what concept they have of a "good old days" was built in the misery of others(minorities, women and the poor), they just drone out the suffering and subjugation of many with Saccharin dreams of an illusionary existence.

Interesting thing I've noticed, given Republicans/Right Wingers/Conservatives, they claim to be Christian, follow Jesus's teachings, but are probably the most Darwin-leaning people around(Surely more so than liberals, which many are Atheist). For Republicans/Right-Wingers/Conservatives, it's ALL about survival of the fittest, natural selection and such. Why else do they subscribe to the notion that if you are poor or in bad place, it's your own fault simply because you didn't work hard enough to make something better of yourself? Pull yourself up and out by your bootstraps! By that theory, everybody rich and powerful deserve that power and wealthy simply because they are proven to be superior "humans". How very Christian of them.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Even in the OP's honest attempt, I can see coded language aimed against people's agency, namely oppressed people.

Conservative values means stepping backwards instead of just looking back for a frame of reference, context. That's everything I'm against.

And not just in the US.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

No sex until marriage.

Christian conservatives*

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Conservative values?

Fuck the poor
Fuck women
Fuck minorities
Fuck it
Fuck you

It's the Konami of political positions.

And with the exception of traditional families, none of the things listed in the OP are exclusively conservative values.

And by extension, "Fuck you, I've got mine"