TacticalFox88
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Holy Shit, I take back my previous statement. Out of all the bullshit in this thread, THIS one tops them all. :lol :lol :lolBladeoftheImmortal said:
What if the next Halo SP was more like CoD SP?
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beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
make it more like HALF-LIFE.
The Librarian
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The post speaks absolute nonsense. Reach has the best singleplayer campaign out of all the Halos. Take off the nostalgia glasses, man.TacticalFox88 said:
LordPhoque
Banned
Mojo said:
I agree with this. But I wouldn't say it's been like that in previous Halos. This is very specific to Halo Reach.
It's strange because Halo Reach has my favorite Halo's campaign along with CE. But it's also the one that has the least memorable moments. I liked it mainly because of the gameplay and the strategic fights.
John Rabbit
Banned
if the next halo resembles either CoD or Reach i won't be buying it. halo:ce remains the best single-player experience of the entire series for me.
Yeah. Great MP, and the single player campaign was filled with memorable moments. I mean, we did have the Arbiter disaster and the disastrously clipped ending, but otherwise, it had really epic sequences that no other Halo has yet to top. Halo 3 tried but it just felt disappointing. Reach was decent, tbh, but that was it.Mojo said:
I think the critical/fan reception to Halo 2 made Bungie a bit wary against taking huge risks. I didn't like the Arbiter, but the series could have used more of that--more of that attempt to show the other side, to take risks, to gamble a bit.
Advance_Alarm
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Halo combined with R6V style cover system and good AI with setpieces would be the best. Has anyone played Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway? Its a legit like 9.5/10 game but nobody I know has it. Cool cover system, suppression and squad movement combined with FPS and feeling like you are actually doing something.
The Librarian
Banned
Halo 2, at least the Master Chief segments, evolves into a corridor shooter towards the end. I don't know what "memorable moments" you're speaking about, but Halo 3 (and Reach) exceed Halo 2 in all areas except for the story. There isn't one area in Halo 2, aside from the story, that betters Halo 3 or Reach.Dresden said:
It was the same with MP. The only thing Halo 2 had over 3 was the quality of maps. Everything else falls short.
Man. People really need to lay off the nostalgia.Rabbitwork said:
TacticalFox88
Banned
Win.Rabbitwork said:
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
godhandiscen said:
Meh, i never really cared to notice a difference between the two in the first place. They're both shooter FPS. Get a gun, then kill shit.
GillianSeed79
Member
Do the two have to be mutually exclusive?
Why can't there be a cinematic Halo game that still retains its signature enemy AI and relatively open levels?
I'm not saying they should have completely scripted events, but they sure as hell could do a better job spicing things up presentation wise. Even it's just the opening and closing cinematics of a level.
Why can't there be a cinematic Halo game that still retains its signature enemy AI and relatively open levels?
I'm not saying they should have completely scripted events, but they sure as hell could do a better job spicing things up presentation wise. Even it's just the opening and closing cinematics of a level.
Haunted
Member
More FPS games should strive to hit the perfect balance like Crysis or Half-Life do instead of totally committing to one end of the spectrum. CoD is the most popular representation of the genre for the masses at the moment, but its game design, level design and overall gameplay doesn't exactly set the FPS enthusiast's world on fire.
This creates a lot of hybrids, or rather games that could be put into various categories considering what you're looking at, but I digress.
I guess under this classification Halo and CoD would both fall under the not mentioned cutscene-heavy "cinematic shooters" category? Halo being on the emergent and CoD on the scripted end of the gameplay spectrum? Doesn't sound too off.
edit: and for the record, my favourite SP campaigns in their respective series are ODST (haven't played Reach) and CoD 2 (even though it was the beginning of the end in retrospect).
Painkiller and Serious Sam would be a variant on the twitch shooter. Fast paced, arcade are the words that come to mind. Your categories seem a bit messy since they take their definition from gameplay feel (twitch/adventure), level design (open world/maze) and game mode (objective-based)
This creates a lot of hybrids, or rather games that could be put into various categories considering what you're looking at, but I digress.
I guess under this classification Halo and CoD would both fall under the not mentioned cutscene-heavy "cinematic shooters" category? Halo being on the emergent and CoD on the scripted end of the gameplay spectrum? Doesn't sound too off.
I think we're the only two who understood the reference anyway. >_>Neuromancer said:
edit: and for the record, my favourite SP campaigns in their respective series are ODST (haven't played Reach) and CoD 2 (even though it was the beginning of the end in retrospect).
Both series get shat on from a great height by the [modern] classics in the genre, naturally.
Lion Heart
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DennisK4 said:
Heh..compared to what? There isn't much quality FPS franchises on consoles tbh. I liked post 2, I would love a game like Goldeneye, so much fun (stealth missions with silencers = win.
kobashi100
Banned
No thanks!
I hate the scripted SP in COD games. The A.I is a joke!
I hate the scripted SP in COD games. The A.I is a joke!
Actually, I hadn't thought about Metroid Prime either. They are certainly great games. I guess I just didn't think of them as FPS games even though strictly speaking they are.Haunted said:
Also, Metroid Prime, but I let the "that's not [really] and FPS!" defence count in that case.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
If Metroid Prime was in third person and had the exact same gameplay otherwise, it would not be called a shooter.
You know, the Brutes were very smart in sections of the Halo 3 campaign. A lot of it is the nostalgia of the Elites that makes them better, and a lot of it is the more vicious approach Elites take. If you hide, Elites will flank and sniff you out. Brutes will throw grenades *shrug*HK-47 said:
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
DennisK4 said:
I wanted to just say that the series doesn't play anything like Halo 1 since Halo 2's release, but since this is a CoD thing, I just wanted to use that somehwere.
Goddamn. The whole worshiping of the Halo:CE campaign has to be the biggest mass nostalgia delusions in gaming. I played that game again this year and it has the same ratio of good/bad levels as 2, 3. Everyone always mentions the library but before that you have the first Flood level and that mind numbingly awful makes you want to break your monitor level where you are going through the exact same copy/paste building and bridge over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over it fucking felt like it was never going to end.
Halo has always been at it's best in the open areas and shit in the boring corridor parts (part of why I hate the CoD campaign style). The big difference in Reach is that they made the tighter corridor like combat parts not suck and be somewhat entertaining.
Halo has always been at it's best in the open areas and shit in the boring corridor parts (part of why I hate the CoD campaign style). The big difference in Reach is that they made the tighter corridor like combat parts not suck and be somewhat entertaining.
While we are ranking Halo games:
Best Halo Games (not in any order):
Halo: CE
Halo Reach
Halo 3
Halo 2
Great Halo Games:
Halo ODST
There really is no "bad" Halo game. Saying so just makes you look like a spoiled brat who has never really gotten anything bad in his life and calls something bad relative to something that is slightly better. Halo ODST almost belongs in the category of the other Halo games if they had taken the time to make it into a fully featured Halo game and not just as an expansion to Halo 3 (as an expansion it is amazing but as a full game it is lacking compared to the other Halo games).
I could almost say the same for the COD series, the worst in the series being COD3 and CODWAW but even those aren't terrible games, they are extremely serviceable. But these games shouldn't intermix, what Halo provides is great for Halo and its fans but what COD provides is great for COD and its fans as well.
And Elites > Brutes.
Best Halo Games (not in any order):
Halo: CE
Halo Reach
Halo 3
Halo 2
Great Halo Games:
Halo ODST
There really is no "bad" Halo game. Saying so just makes you look like a spoiled brat who has never really gotten anything bad in his life and calls something bad relative to something that is slightly better. Halo ODST almost belongs in the category of the other Halo games if they had taken the time to make it into a fully featured Halo game and not just as an expansion to Halo 3 (as an expansion it is amazing but as a full game it is lacking compared to the other Halo games).
I could almost say the same for the COD series, the worst in the series being COD3 and CODWAW but even those aren't terrible games, they are extremely serviceable. But these games shouldn't intermix, what Halo provides is great for Halo and its fans but what COD provides is great for COD and its fans as well.
And Elites > Brutes.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Are you kidding me? Reach's entire campaign basically boiled down to "Hold this position" CONSTANTLY! There was some free action, yes. But it was masked with retarded friendly AI that basically does NOTHING to help you at all. Not to mention it has some of the cheapest deaths this side of Ninja Gaiden. With the exception of the Falcon mission (and even then that got old after awhile), I barely had ANY fun with Reach's campaign. The fact that sprint is an "ability" and not a built in game mechanic truly baffles me.Jin34 said:
It's there in some way in the first trilogy, but I do feel it's a lot worse in ODST and Reach.LordPhoque said:
I quite liked the Arbiter, better character than anyone in Reach or ODST. It was different, a lot of people don't like different, but changing things up is one of the most important things in a game for me. Playing alongside Hunters, so good.Dresden said:
I hold the position that you can't have a good multiplayer game without good maps. Halo 2's MP also gave a lot more attention to Objective gametypes (my favourite), since then the mutliplayer has been way too Slayer biased. Invasion is a good idea, but releasing it with only 2 maps is pathetic.Dax01 said:
TacticalFox88 said:
I didn't pay any attention to what they were doing since they are only good as meat shields, the one baffling thing for me is how did the friendly driving AI get so dumb when it was so good before. Halo 1 and 2 had some really, REALLY shitty stages in between really good ones, at times it felt like different developers are making some levels. Halo 3 campaign was better than those 2 but still had the fucking Flood so Reach wins there easily.
Jin34 said:
I replayed it this year and I can say outside of The Library and 343, its still as good as ever. Each of those round style rooms in Assault and Two Betrayals are awesome, and Halo and Silent Cartographer are amazing chapters. 343 gets hurt cause you already know the mystery of what has the Covenant spooked. The build up is killed.
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Deleted member 21120
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Yeah, that was the game-changer. At that point, you had no idea what was about to happen. Someone besides you was fighting the Covenant which hadn't happened.HK-47 said:
The Librarian
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There were plenty of good maps in Halo 3:Mojo said:
-Valhalla
-The Pit
-Guardian
-Avalanche
-Ghost Town
-Heretic
-Citadel
-Assembly
-Cold Storage
-Longshore
-Rat's Nest
If you're saying that, then you didn't play the game. Yeah, there are a lot of those encounters, but they most certainly did not make up the majority of the game. I say it's around 35% at most.TacticalFox88 said:
You're forgetting Keyes. The former half of Halo: CE is unquestionably better than the latter half. While Reach may not achieve the highs of Halo: CE, it is far more consistent in quality and offers the player a lot more in variety in encounters and downplays the repetitive level design.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Halo just needs to lose the retarded looking/speaking aliens and replace them with something... like, I dunno, menacing? Not even that really, just dudes who don't look dumb.
molekiller
Banned
For me CoD SP is like a regular action movie. I get through it on normal difficulty once to watch the story and that's it. I pass on getting frustrated by modded counter strike aimbots in higher difficulties.
On the other side, I 've run through Reach's campaign on heroic and legendary, and soon legendary coop, did the same on Halo 3.
Comparing CoD SP with Halo is like comparing the gameplay depth of Heavy Rain vs. Civilization.
For me the best CoD campaign is the first one, every level was like a Band of Brothers episode, even though, there already was, at least that I remember, an infinite respawn point at the last level.
On the other side, I 've run through Reach's campaign on heroic and legendary, and soon legendary coop, did the same on Halo 3.
Comparing CoD SP with Halo is like comparing the gameplay depth of Heavy Rain vs. Civilization.
For me the best CoD campaign is the first one, every level was like a Band of Brothers episode, even though, there already was, at least that I remember, an infinite respawn point at the last level.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
I really liked in ODST how you take control of multiple characters. I'd like to see that squad aspect again - have them all fight their own individual battles in real-time across the planet, and then converge for a huge stand-off. This structure was the absolute best aspect of the game.
I was actually expecting this to be expanded in Halo: Reach but instead you only played as Noble 6. It would have been cooler to take control of all the members of Noble team, pushing the Covenant invasion back in different battles simultaneously. Reach was a bit of a wasted opportunity in that regard: it crept back into the typical point A to point B slog, once again finding some holy grail item
that would make it all better again, and just in general focused too much on super secret, tide-turning objectives rather than just straight up war.
Reach also shared another problem that Halo 2 and 3 had - it focused too much on 'micro' level corridor shooting, and not as much on the 'macro' level epic battles. I really would like to see stuff like this turned into actual gameplay and made the norm for the entire game. Also, going back in time to old Halo games, I would like to see this (yes, I know it's CG, but the final game had very little this exciting) and this made into actual gameplay.
The Halo universe is very broad. It is amazing how you could, in theory, make a hundred stories out of it, but I feel that sometimes they focus too much on the small details and not enough on just balls-to-the-wall action. I would really love to see a Reach 2 that does just this.
I was actually expecting this to be expanded in Halo: Reach but instead you only played as Noble 6. It would have been cooler to take control of all the members of Noble team, pushing the Covenant invasion back in different battles simultaneously. Reach was a bit of a wasted opportunity in that regard: it crept back into the typical point A to point B slog, once again finding some holy grail item
Cortana AI
Reach also shared another problem that Halo 2 and 3 had - it focused too much on 'micro' level corridor shooting, and not as much on the 'macro' level epic battles. I really would like to see stuff like this turned into actual gameplay and made the norm for the entire game. Also, going back in time to old Halo games, I would like to see this (yes, I know it's CG, but the final game had very little this exciting) and this made into actual gameplay.
The Halo universe is very broad. It is amazing how you could, in theory, make a hundred stories out of it, but I feel that sometimes they focus too much on the small details and not enough on just balls-to-the-wall action. I would really love to see a Reach 2 that does just this.
The Librarian
Banned
Technical limitations, probably.I NEED SCISSORS said:
The Librarian
Banned
*shrugs* I see it as your loss. I'd rather play a game that has superior gameplay (a more balanced sandbox really) on a bad map than a game with a very unbalanced sandbox on a good map.Mojo said:
Let Halo be Halo and let CoD be CoD. I enjoy both BECAUSE they are different. If I wanted to play a CoD clone, then I'd play MoH.
I remember back after Halo3 launched there was someone complaining about being matched up with players ranked near the same as him, complained about there being power weapons, and complained about the starting weapons being the same for everyone. I told the guy to stop playing Halo and go to CoD because that's obviously what he wanted.
I remember back after Halo3 launched there was someone complaining about being matched up with players ranked near the same as him, complained about there being power weapons, and complained about the starting weapons being the same for everyone. I told the guy to stop playing Halo and go to CoD because that's obviously what he wanted.