What is Nintendo's position next gen? Irrelevant?

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The Abominable Snowman

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Will 3rd party developers be interested in a Nintendo console ever again?
Will consumers begin buying Nintendo's classic franchises like it's 1985-1998 again?
Will their competitors allow Nintendo to make any kind of significant gain in marketshare?

This isn't a troll topic. This is asking people their opinions. You notice that in every developer interview, they don't talk about Nintendo's upcoming console. That means that they're either not releasing a next console, or it'll be confined to have games from only Nintendo and their close partners.
 
Try to troll in one thread at a time please.

And while we're at it, what's with all these new junior member Nintendo troll threads?

There's like 3 per page now.
 
I think Iwata will announce something never done before.... DS to Revolution connectivity.

Think about it... 3 fucking screens. The possibilities are mind blowing.
 
Never too late for irrevelent P
Still chance they could release something so grand it changes everything for them.
As for 80s, we can only dream of decade like that again.
 
Society said:
Sorta like the current real world?
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Though there's no doubt there's shady stuff going on now, it's not as bad as Nintendo forcing developers and publishers to develop exclusively for the NES if they want to release games on it and forcing pubs and devs to sign over games.
 
Depends on what Nintendo's approach will be. Will they actually aim to compete with the "big boys" like Mr. Reggie says or will they be happy with thier profitable niche like they seem to be doing. I don't mind either way, but they have to decide before next generation starts. Collaborations are good, creating new IP's are good, depending on outside support for exclussive content...no good 'cos it doesn't work.

An aggressive Nintendo would buy Bandai, expand their business to other medium's besides games, improve advertising, focus on improving thier brand image, improve thier representation in the press and at retail/rental stores, create more franchises, do alot more collaborations and cover the holes in thier usual line-ups.

A "casual" Nintendo wouldn't need to compete and just survive on thier own games and fans...of course going this route is less risky, but ultimatly less marketshare/profitable and they would have to do alot of fan service to keep thier fans coming back. This would give them a like NeO*GeO existance which is cool, but they would always be seen as a secondary console maker or simply last place...which gives the impression that they don't matter and will bow out of consoles soon (even if it isn't true).

Either way they have to become more self-reliant...more franchises would need to be made to add to their exclussive line-up and they would have to beef up thier collaborations and in-house developement. I could see Nintendo being a lil' bit of both, but a Nintendo I'd like to see is to clearly define one way or they other what Revolution is gonna be (or at least, aim to be with some bit of success). Realistically, Nintendo will always be seen in a different light then the "big boys", but that doesn't mean that they can't be more accepted by most audiences as a main or secondary console they have to own for Nintendo's own exclussive franchises and/or Revolution's unique abilities.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Though there's no doubt there's shady stuff going on now, it's not as bad as Nintendo forcing developers and publishers to develop exclusively for the NES if they want to release games on it and forcing pubs and devs to sign over games.
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I was not pigeonholing it to games.
 
I'm thinking they're the receiver and Sony won't even give them a reacharound. Or, cowgirl on top of the Pokemon franchise.
 
If they go on with the same attitude : third
If the Revolution is really revolutionary (and not some stupid gimmick like connectivity) they could climb up at the second or even maybe first place O_O.






... add some maybe to the last sentence
 
LakeEarth said:
Third.
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You don't know that. Just because Nintendo is third now doesn't mean that it will be in two years.

After all, in two years, someone like Toyota, General Motors, or Wal-Mart might enter the market, pushing Nintendo down to fourth or fifth place.
 
kpop100 said:
jeez what I said wasn't even a big deal lol...by your reaction you'd think I ate yours maybe.
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I wouldn't say that just for you post here.. but in every other Nintendo thread you have some kind of negetive reply
 
snapty00 said:
You don't know that. Just because Nintendo is third now doesn't mean that it will be in two years.

After all, in two years, someone like Toyota, General Motors, or Wal-Mart might enter the market, pushing Nintendo down to fourth or fifth place.
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EDIT - See below to see how much of an idiot I am!
 
LakeEarth said:
Does it look like they are changing their ways? Getting any more popular? Figuring out that making sequel after sequel of the same licences as they slowly sell less and less isn't the best stratagy they should be going for right now?

I'm a huge Nintendo fan. I actually don't own any system that wasn't Nintendo since the Sega Master System (unless that box under the Christmas Tree is the xbox I think it is), but that doesn't mean I can't take off my fanboy goggles to see how things really are.
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:lol Learn to read.
 
belgurdo said:
Yeah, I dream of near-monopolies and stupid rules enforced on companies and retailers constantly
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Yeah, let's all hope Microsoft's XBox overtakes the Playstation AND Nintendo!!!!~!~!!~!!!~oneoneone

/Shit, wait...
 
Well, the switch to bigger media, and Nintendo supposedly being 3rd party friendly didn't help the GC do any better than the N64, so I don't really know what they can do next gen to insure that their next console does any better.
 
I'd love to think that Nintendo's new hardware will reach out to developers, and not alienate them. I'd love to think Nintendo's marketing will change. I'd love to think its franchises will be fresh and exciting. I'd love to think a lot of things.

My guess is that Nintendo, just like it has for the past two generations, will ignore third-party concerns, marketing, and merely make a system for its games (not even for its fans). It's as if Nintendo merely cares about the novelty of making games and consoles, not selling them.
 
I haven't read through the responses in this thread, but your conclusions regarding developers is ridiculous.

As you put it: "They don't talk about Nintendo's upcoming console. That means that they're either not releasing a next console, or it'll be confined to have games from only Nintendo and their close partners."

The reason they don't talk about Revolution is because developers don't know anything yet. Nintendo has yet to tell many developers what it's all about. EA, for example, has said they have seen PS3 and Xbox 2 dev kits, but are waiting on Nintendo Revolution ones. So just because a developer doesn't mention Nintendo, it doesn't mean they aren't going to develop for them. It doesn't mean they will either, but you get my point. Stay focused on this generation for a little while longer, the Cube and PS2 still have a good 2 years and Xbox with another year left in it.
 
Miburou said:
Well, the switch to bigger media, and Nintendo supposedly being 3rd party friendly didn't help the GC do any better than the N64, so I don't really know what they can do next gen to insure that their next console does any better.
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How about a console that isn't presented as a purple lunch box, for starters? Honestly, image is vital, and that's one glaring error that Nintendo didn't correct from the N64 generation (and if anything allowed to continue to slip).

missAran said:
My guess is that Nintendo will...merely make a system for its games (not even for its fans). It's as if Nintendo merely cares about the novelty of making games and consoles, not selling them.
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There is no rolleyes big enough...

Gaia Theory said:
The reason they don't talk about Revolution is because developers don't know anything yet. Nintendo has yet to tell many developers what it's all about. EA, for example, has said they have seen PS3 and Xbox 2 dev kits, but are waiting on Nintendo Revolution ones. So just because a developer doesn't mention Nintendo, it doesn't mean they aren't going to develop for them. It doesn't mean they will either, but you get my point. Stay focused on this generation for a little while longer, the Cube and PS2 still have a good 2 years and Xbox with another year left in it.
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Words of wisdom.

krypt0nian said:
The real question is "Will the Snowman ever make it to Member status w/o being banned for trolling?"
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:lol
 
Honestly,in my opinion the only way I see them becoming very serious about improving their console marketshare problems would be if their handhed market took a massive hit. It'd send a HUGE wakeup call to them that profits would soon become very low. Where at that point they would make drastic changes to all of their gaming sectors.

Massive advertising,mature contetnt by 3rd partys,and by their own development houses,aimed soley at the PlayStation and Xbox Live crowds,and the key factor-consistency in all these areas over a long term timespan. Ofcourse its easier said than done,because Sony and Microsoft are already pumping more money into the same blueprints. But still you can't argue with success,they have to do these things otherwise their console market is going to continue to evaporate.
 
krypt0nian said:
The real question is "Will the Snowman ever make it to Member status w/o being banned for trolling?"
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Dude, you take gaming too seriously. I've seen your responces thread-to-thread (Not necessarily to me) and I understand you may be a rabid Nintendo fan, your posts speak for themselves, but you sink to stupid means to get your point across. Chill out. For someone 'so happy about the DS' you should be spending more time with it and not Damage Controlling.

GaiaTheory said:
The reason they don't talk about Revolution is because developers don't know anything yet. Nintendo has yet to tell many developers what it's all about. EA, for example, has said they have seen PS3 and Xbox 2 dev kits, but are waiting on Nintendo Revolution ones. So just because a developer doesn't mention Nintendo, it doesn't mean they aren't going to develop for them. It doesn't mean they will either, but you get my point. Stay focused on this generation for a little while longer, the Cube and PS2 still have a good 2 years and Xbox with another year left in it.
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But when EA or Activision or Take Two or the NPD group make predictions about next generation, they always keep the Nintendo mentions to a minimum. There's always little or zero mention about the Revolution. I wasn't just talking about developers with upcoming games and choosing where their project will end up. I understand why they barely mention the Gamecube as it is, because of third party sales, but it is a little telling how a lot of PRs and company statements just write-off Nintendo. It's a bit saddening too. Even last year, before the PS3 nor Xbox Next were given specifications, they garnered attention in those statements. The NPD group made a whole report on current market trends and how they'll carry into the next generation, and made no mention to the Revolution.
 
Nintendo's position will be whatever they make it. They have 6 billion dollars, and franchises that will sell hardware if done correctly and in a timely fashion. If their hardware isn't too fucked up, and they approach the right developers, things could go well. This industry is still immature enough that a few games can make all the difference.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Dude, you take gaming too seriously. I've seen your responces thread-to-thread (Not necessarily to me) and I understand you may be a rabid Nintendo fan, your posts speak for themselves, but you sink to stupid means to get your point across. Chill out. For someone 'so happy about the DS' you should be spending more time with it and not Damage Controlling.
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TAS gets pissed because he's called a troll, and TAS calls krypt0nian "a rabid Nintendo fan" as if that'll calm things. I love it.
 
this is kewl, I so missed ign, cause i didnt want to by insider (more liek outsider loll) but now i can get it fo free!
 
human5892 said:
There is no rolleyes big enough...
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If you're denying how Nintendo ignores its players and the video game user-game in general, you have another thing coming. It isolates developers, markets poorly, and really leaves gamers out to dry. I'm not denying that Nintendo has made some of the best games this generation, but this feat doesn't justify its obvious mistakes.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
Dude, you take gaming too seriously. I've seen your responces thread-to-thread (Not necessarily to me) and I understand you may be a rabid Nintendo fan, your posts speak for themselves, but you sink to stupid means to get your point across. Chill out. For someone 'so happy about the DS' you should be spending more time with it and not Damage Controlling.
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...because its cooler to constantly troll Nintendo posts? oh ok...you've convinced me.

Oh and only idiots and surfers call each other "dude" and I didn't catch the surf report today.
 
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