What Is Your Vision for Superman?

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I would set it in the 50's and do the classic origin story/Lex showdown. Superman always seems kind of cheesy, so you might as well embrace it.
 
The 50's would work as a setting where people are that optimistic about someone that powerful. We were a lot more innocent then as a country and a lot less frightened. We still believed in heroes in that era and Superman is definitely more suited to that era if you want the world's reaction to be "you get em boy" or "my hero". Not sure if campy is necessary, but that era would sell him better if you are absolutely determined to avoid the issues of how the modern world would react to him.
 
I think most people would react well to Superman but there would be a few who are very scared, maybe an interesting idea for a film would be Lex convincing the government to give him resources to capture this guy who has just shown up and is flying around everywhere. Look at Jeremy Lin, though, the guy came out of nowhere and nobody knows who he is but in a matter of days he becomes a beloved superstar because he has some good games. Imagine how beloved a guy who could fly and saves people would be.
 
shaowebb said:
Superman can be a good guy and optimistic and innocent. I really want that and have mentioned it constantly. However, that doesn't mean the world is that innocent. Thats why he's "Super" man as you put it. The world isn't as innocent and good willed as him and his actions have to set an example to them. He has to be the better man. So show their fear and show him doing his best to stay good and not be brought down by all the fear and paranoia.

No one here seems to listen when I say you can have both.
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okay, I was sleepy as hell last night so I understand you now. for all we know, maybe we'll see something like that seeing as Nolan was sheperding the movie.
 
The big clues we've had about the direction of the film are Nolan saying they finally figured out how to do Superman in a modern context and Snyder saying he is attempting to give a "realistic" depiction of Superman as opposed to the more stylized version of classic Superman and Metropolis. I have a feeling they won't do anything like the training they did in Batman Begins, but Clark won't just become Superman, there is going to be some sort of soul searching and all that.
 
I would make his relation to power and achievement far more problematic.

Consider that Lex Luthor is the American Dream. The man who went through a ruthless struggle for power and ultimately was able to win this struggle. Then there is suddenly this entity that has done absolutely nothing worth a damn (a working class fool!), but gets to claim it's all goodie-goodie because he was born with his powers. Luthor loathes Superman for what he is and what that means for human freedom, like the freedom to do evil in order to succeed, as Luthor has done.

It's that exchange between power and freedom that I would use to make Superman far less likeable (returned to his old 'total dick' mode) in the beginning and create an actual reason for the chess game between him and Luthor. Every other character is just a sideshow to that game.

So basically Red Son, where the game ultimately reaches it highest point in that one note and illustrates directly why Superman is a problem, not a solution.
 
shaowebb said:
Superman can be a good guy and optimistic and innocent. I really want that and have mentioned it constantly. However, that doesn't mean the world is that innocent. Thats why he's "Super" man as you put it. The world isn't as innocent and good willed as him and his actions have to set an example to them. He has to be the better man. So show their fear and show him doing his best to stay good and not be brought down by all the fear and paranoia.

No one here seems to listen when I say you can have both.
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That's because that problem is too common that many people are tired of it.

zoukka said:
Or you can just google "bodybuilder" and we're done here.
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And...? You'd be wrong. Really now. Muscular =/= Bodybuilder.
 
Fuck Superman.

Out of popular superheroes, he's by far my least favorite. Such a stupid character. I don't possess enough suspension of disbelief to tolerate anything he's in. Well, I was into JLA for a while, but that's it.

Who has ever worried about Superman being seriously injured? He's basically unbeatable, and the stupid American comics industry couldn't possibly consider harming his character in any real way. He has no real character flaws; no reason for me to be interested in him personally. Superman is the superhero a five-year old would create. If anyone were to really inject real problems into Superman, it would just seem like a joke, not something I could take seriously.

Reading/watching Superman anything is the equivalent of a vasectomy.

/rant

Sorry guys, just had to get that off my chest.
 
HitokiriNate85 said:
Fuck Superman.

Out of popular superheroes, he's by far my least favorite. Such a stupid character. I don't possess enough suspension of disbelief to tolerate anything he's in. Well, I was into JLA for a while, but that's it.

Who has ever worried about Superman being seriously injured? He's basically unbeatable, and the stupid American comics industry couldn't possibly consider harming his character in any real way. He has no real character flaws; no reason for me to be interested in him personally. Superman is the superhero a five-year old would create. If anyone were to really inject real problems into Superman, it would just seem like a joke, not something I could take seriously.

Reading/watching Superman anything is the equivalent of a vasectomy.

/rant

Sorry guys, just had to get that off my chest.
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To which I recommend All Star Superman.

And to be honest you pretty much represent the typical opinion of a person who never reads Superman books or never delved into his lore. He has personality, flaws, and he actually has problems.

It's just that many people never seem to write his character properly or are fans of other characters.

Honestly I find him much more interesting that BatSue for the sole fact that Supes is harder to write, and when he is written well, he is soooo much better.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
but you only think of who Superman is because you are standing from the outside reading the story, if you were a person living in that world, would you really give two shits who superman was? no. and nobody would ever think that a powerful man would be "hiding" like he does. a lot people all over the world look alike, it doesn't mean anything.
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Ookami-kun said:
But again, it's not JUST the glasses. It's the posture, the hairdo, the mannerisms, the tone. You'd be surprised how those factors do change a perception of another person. Also note of the human nature NOT to associate famous people to the ones near them.
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I just..... *scratches head*

Say you line up 10, or hell, probably a 100, of your friends and colleagues that you interact with often every day in your social life/work environment, like Louis Lane and her work partners with Clark Kent.

You interact with someone daily, in close quarters--you just don't magically un-recognize him/her just because someday he/she decides to change his/her posture, mannerism, or taking off an article of their clothing (like glasses.) Nothing short of probably plastic surgery or that person altering his/her face significantly can logically make you un-recognize him/her all of sudden... where's the logic in that?

Maybe a surprise or two, like, "It's that really you?" or "Holy shit dude, what happened to your hair?" I can accept that. But for a person that you interact daily on consistent basis? Gets mistaken for completely different individual altogether?

*Scratches head*

And you wonder why Spiderman, Batman, and the other superheroes even bother to wear masks.
 
Okay I have to ask because I just watched All Star Superman. Are we talking about the film or comic? Because the film is forcing so much filler in that its sad and is incredibly campy.

"I'd love to celebrate your birthday Lois but I really have to stop this invasion of reptilian people from taking over the world" is an actual line in it.

He's dying, and instead of focusing on what he means to the world during this film or what his absence will mean to the world when he's gone it wrecks pacing by throwing in one random reptillian invasion, a paranoid Lois trying to kill him angle, Lois gaining super powers only to use them to act a tease and fuck with Superman's affections for shits, the Ultra Sphinx asking the unanswerable question that Superman answers by quoting a car ad, Parasite looking and acting like a blob while the art team has fun turning his mouth into a vagina (not even kidding. You can screen shot it and its not even vague.), Lex Luthor NEVER getting Clark is Superman with him using powers in front of him, Rogue Kryptonians taking over the Earth while he's away populating a planet with Kandor and then them dying and finding love and meaning in mankind, Luthor having Superman's powers, a Solar robot eating the sun only to be eaten by a sun eater whose death makes Superman kill the sun robot who poisons the sun, and then Superman turning into pure energy to fix the sun and dying followed by Luthor repenting and telling a scientist how to replicate Superman by impregnating a woman (obviously hinted to be Lois Lane) with some genetic code for kryptonians?

I'm telling you that movie is shit on pacing due to all the filler. Don't even get me started on how much bullshitian Superman spews in his fortress every two seconds trying to amaze Lois Lane while all the while coming off as a creeper. Please tell me the film is not what you're quoting as so good and the comic is nothing like this. Otherwise I give up on trying to convince you all of how much Superman really IS a 5 year old's hero and on what it'd take to make him compelling on the big screen.
 
shaowebb said:
Okay I have to ask because I just watched All Star Superman. Are we talking about the film or comic? Because the film is forcing so much filler in that its sad and is incredibly campy.

"I'd love to celebrate your birthday Lois but I really have to stop this invasion of reptilian people from taking over the world" is an actual line in it.

He's dying, and instead of focusing on what he means to the world during this film or what his absence will mean to the world when he's gone it wrecks pacing by throwing in one random reptillian invasion, a paranoid Lois trying to kill him angle, Lois gaining super powers only to use them to act a tease and fuck with Superman's affections for shits, the Ultra Sphinx asking the unanswerable question that Superman answers by quoting a car ad, Parasite looking and acting like a blob while the art team has fun turning his mouth into a vagina (not even kidding. You can screen shot it and its not even vague.), Lex Luthor NEVER getting Clark is Superman with him using powers in front of him, Rogue Kryptonians taking over the Earth while he's away populating a planet with Kandor and then them dying and finding love and meaning in mankind, Luthor having Superman's powers, a Solar robot eating the sun only to be eaten by a sun eater whose death makes Superman kill the sun robot who poisons the sun, and then Superman turning into pure energy to fix the sun and dying followed by Luthor repenting and telling a scientist how to replicate Superman by impregnating a woman (obviously hinted to be Lois Lane) with some genetic code for kryptonians?

I'm telling you that movie is shit on pacing due to all the filler. Don't even get me started on how much bullshitian Superman spews in his fortress every two seconds trying to amaze Lois Lane while all the while coming off as a creeper. Please tell me the film is not what you're quoting as so good and the comic is nothing like this. Otherwise I give up on trying to convince you all of how much Superman really IS a 5 year old's hero and on what it'd take to make him compelling on the big screen.
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I just looked up the comic series on wikipedia... it's not good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Star_Superman#Plot

Obviously there are massive spoilers at the link for those who haven't read it.
 
Dead Man said:
I just looked up the comic series on wikipedia... it's not good:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Star_Superman#Plot

Obviously there are massive spoilers at the link for those who haven't read it.
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So wait in the comic he...

1.Superman saves the first manned mission to the sun.
2.Superman brews the Super–Elixir.
3.Superman answers the Unanswerable Question.
4.Superman chains the Chronovore.
5.Superman saves Earth from Bizarro–Home.
6.Superman returns from the Underverse.
7.Superman creates Life.
8.Superman liberates Kandor/cures cancer.
9.Superman defeats Solaris.
10.Superman conquers Death.
11.Superman builds an artificial Heart for the Sun.
12.Superman leaves the recipe/formula to make Superman 2.


That...that sounds like just as much garbage as the film I just watched. I liked the Luthor clips so I watched it to see what was up and my God was it bad. This comic sounds even worse. Granted comics can go nuts with filler and action like this because they are staggered out over a longer period of time so pacing works different, but this sounds...ugh. Okay, I'll take the time to read this locally at Books A Million this week and see if there were moments to be had, but if this is the idea of quality and its anything like that film was for "quality" then I give up appealing for sanity.
 
akira28 said:
shaowebb why do you hate Superman? :(
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I hate bad writing and bad plot devices. I'm intrigued by the idea of someone as powerful as Superman, but I am extremely disappointed in how he gets used. Im a fan of his concept but not his execution. There is a lot more potential here than just someone being brave with super powers and who is loved for it. We have a million of those kind of guys, but this guy has potential for the kind of plots that none of those do so why pander with him?

I see a problem like this and it drives me nuts. If I see possible avenues of improvement it eats at me. Its just what I do.
 
shaowebb said:
So wait in the comic he...

1.Superman saves the first manned mission to the sun.
2.Superman brews the Super–Elixir.
3.Superman answers the Unanswerable Question.
4.Superman chains the Chronovore.
5.Superman saves Earth from Bizarro–Home.
6.Superman returns from the Underverse.
7.Superman creates Life.
8.Superman liberates Kandor/cures cancer.
9.Superman defeats Solaris.
10.Superman conquers Death.
11.Superman builds an artificial Heart for the Sun.
12.Superman leaves the recipe/formula to make Superman 2.


That...that sounds like just as much garbage as the film I just watched. I liked the Luthor clips so I watched it to see what was up and my God was it bad. This comic sounds even worse. Granted comics can go nuts with filler and action like this because they are staggered out over a longer period of time so pacing works different, but this sounds...ugh. Okay, I'll take the time to read this locally at Books A Million this week and see if there were moments to be had, but if this is the idea of quality and its anything like that film was for "quality" then I give up appealing for sanity.
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A couple choice passages...

Dr. Leo Quintum and his team from P.R.O.J.E.C.T. are exploring the Sun when they are sabotaged by a booby-trapped, genetically enhanced Lex Luthor clone. Superman saves the day, but finds out he has a new power: the ability to project his bioelectric aura. Lex Luthor (used by General Sam Lane to work for the government) has orchestrated this to overwhelm Superman's cells with a massive amount of yellow solar radiation. Dr. Quintum determines that Superman's newly enhanced power is also killing him, and that he has about one year to live.

For his ...For A Day column series, Jimmy Olsen is allowed to "run" P.R.O.J.E.C.T., but the day gets hectic when Superman gets exposed to black kryptonite and becomes evil. In order to save Superman, Jimmy exposes himself to a life-threatening chemical to become a monster called Doomsday. Because evil-Superman becomes weaker the more he commits evil acts, Jimmy uses that to stop and save Superman and himself. As a thank you, P.R.O.J.E.C.T. writes a message from Jimmy on the moon to his girlfriend: Lucy Lane.

I know plot summaries are often dry, but this is ridiculous.
 
Wow, people hating on All Star Superman because he did stuff he'd enjoy to feel fulfilled in his life.

No wonder comic industry is going shit - the readers always assume everything is filler.

That, or you just want your Superman movie to be shitty, repetitive "why do we need Supes" bullshit I always hear about.

Laughing Banana said:
I just..... *scratches head*

Say you line up 10, or hell, probably a 100, of your friends and colleagues that you interact with often every day in your social life/work environment, like Louis Lane and her work partners with Clark Kent.

You interact with someone daily, in close quarters--you just don't magically un-recognize him/her just because someday he/she decides to change his/her posture, mannerism, or taking off an article of their clothing (like glasses.) Nothing short of probably plastic surgery or that person altering his/her face significantly can logically make you un-recognize him/her all of sudden... where's the logic in that?

Maybe a surprise or two, like, "It's that really you?" or "Holy shit dude, what happened to your hair?" I can accept that. But for a person that you interact daily on consistent basis? Gets mistaken for completely different individual altogether?

*Scratches head*

And you wonder why Spiderman, Batman, and the other superheroes even bother to wear masks.
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You're forgetting one aspect.

Superman, in general, has no secret identity. Everyone knows who he is - he is Kal-El, that's why Supes has no mask. That's why people do not need to figure out his secret identity because he pretty much already has a given one. No one knows he has his "normal ego" named Clark - they assume his whole life is Superman because of his Kryptonian history. People chalk up any possible similarity to just coincidence.

And yes, you'd be surprised how mannerisms and such can shape a person. Also notice how it's regularly human for a person not to correlate famous people to the ones close to them because they KNOW them enough not to distinguish them as someone popular?

Really, all it gives is that the audience are too used being, well, audience, that they forget how things like this work.
 
Ookami-kun said:
Wow, people hating on All Star Superman because he did stuff he'd enjoy to feel fulfilled in his life.

No wonder comic industry is going shit - the readers always assume everything is filler.

That, or you just want your Superman movie to be shitty, repetitive "why do we need Supes" bullshit I always hear about.
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I hate things like this:
they are sabotaged by a booby-trapped, genetically enhanced Lex Luthor clone
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In order to save Superman, Jimmy exposes himself to a life-threatening chemical to become a monster called Doomsday. Because evil-Superman becomes weaker the more he commits evil acts, Jimmy uses that to stop and save Superman and himself.
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Just a rubbish plot.
 
make the film set on thanksgiving and superman eats too much turkey etc.. and drinks too much beer so he is too tired to fight crime and metropolis destroys itself.
 
I think more could be shown of his difference from human visually.

I enjoy when artists highlight his "otherness". I really liked what they did with Birthright, he was drawn in the very classic broad look but in a way that made him look totally out of place and alien compared to everyone else. I loved the idea of him having glowing red eyes even when he wasn't using his various visions - like when he is just standing in the shadows, quite intimidating and not of this world. There were also some pretty grotesque facial expression he pulls in that arc as well. I know the lonely god angle was played in Returns but I think it was completely mishandled.
 
Don't enjoy Superman much, but I love Superman homages. Sentry, Gladiator, The High, Majestic, Supreme-Alan Moore version, Icon, Hyperion, and Alpha have taken the Superman mythos into interesting places Superman himself could never go.
 
People hating on All-Star Superman after reading the Wiki summary should be ashamed of themselves.

And don't bother with the film. It's not well made.
 
shaowebb is making all kinds of sense on how a film version of Superman should be handled. Unless you ground the film in a world where people react in a realistic fashion to the arrival of - lets face it - a god that has taken up American ideologies, then people will not be able to relate.

Someone mentioned that him doing good deeds would make people love him and then compared that mutal love into adoration for the likes of Soldiers, the Beatles and the Pope. Well you answered it right there - not everyone likes the Pope, they don't like his messages or his stances on things - not everyone likes the Beatle's music or what soldiers do. People get very angry and heated arguing all sides of just these topics, just how would they react to an alien-god-man? If you don't address it the audience shuts down.

It has been said far more eloquently before on this thread but you can't have a living, tangible god doing stuff and just have people reacting with a "Geez wizz, mister!" People need to react realistic, because that is where Superman as a character can be expressed - in his reaction to the reaction.
 
What's gaf's opinion on Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow"? I just ordered it based on a friend's opinion. I don't really care for supes.
 
One very important part of Superman to me is that he is, in fact, too good to be true. The power of a god, and a paragon of good and genuinely kind to boot? Yeah, like that'll happen, yet there he is, in all his primary colored goodness and big red S on his chest. He even wears a cape. The ideal made flesh. That is Superman. No grittyness, no fear, and no muted colors. That should be the thread that ties any Superman movie together. Superman just IS. He's a force of nature, yet gentle and polite. How people react to him changes him as much as people getting angry at plate tectonics changes continental drift. That is not at all. He's alien, not just in his physiology, but in his way of thinking, too. And that is worth seeing people respond to. Both those that admire him and those that see him as an annoyance or are jealous of him. (Lex Luthor would be part of the latter two of course.)

But to really pull off a Superman reboot, well, everyone knows the origin of Superman, so let's not start with that. Let's go in media res, with the first public appearance of Superman. Something big, an out of control train is good, basically something big, public and where Superman has to get his hands dirty to save the situation. Pictures are taken, the press nicknames this outrageous man "Superman". I'd go with a plane in trouble, but we've seen that. Twice. So we spend the first part of the movie having Superman be Super, and see how Metropolis begins to trust him, and how Philanthropist Businessman (officially) Luthor gets increasingly annoyed at being dethroned as the city's darling. But he's smart enough to know that moving directly against Superman would make him the most hated man in Metropolis, so he doesn't... yet. Superman, thanks to also being Clark Kent, ends up doing in interview with Lois Lane and here we reveal the Krypton backstory. Why? To set up the villain, of course.

Perhaps half a year after Superman appeared, another visitor from Krypton arrives: Brainiac. Going with the idea of a Kryptonian AI from the animated series, he offers new technology to humankind, to uplift them to a spacefaring species, you know, the standard cover story for hostile aliens playing it covert. Of course, he doesn't call himself Brainiac, but his manner of speaking gets him that nickname from the press. Then he shows his true colors, as he prepares to absorb all the information on Earth and delete the original. The public is naturally terrified, and rumors begin to spread that Superman might just have been an agent sent to lull humanity into trusting aliens. Superman faces off against Brainiac, big choreographed fight scene happens, and in the end, Superman defeat Brainiac (who it's perfectly fine to kill on-screen as he's a robot) and pieces of Brainiac's spaceship fall just outside Metropolis. Superman is triumphant, but as the movie ends, we see Luthor has found his agenda: "Humanity first!", where he can attack Superman without attacking Superman directly. Brainiac is proof that aliens are a danger, and humanity should take care of itself first. And are those LexCorp trucks doing the cleanup of Brainiac's spaceship wreck? Roll credits.

The followup film would draw in a more terrestrial plot, perhaps drawing from "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" where Superman gets challenged by some upstart heroes on his no-killing policy. Basically turn the PR idea upside down, people aren't complaining that Superman is scary, but that he's not scary enough. But who could possibly be behind these superpowered humans? Luthor, who else? If Superman stoops to their level, he can maul Superman's PR easily, and if he doesn't, well he has a backup plan. The movie would end with Luthor putting the finishing touches on his latest creation: Doomsday. I know Lex didn't create Doomsday in the comics, but if Lex is to be a danger to Superman, he has to be as smart as Superman is strong.

And then it'd end with "The Death and Return of Superman". Superman fights Doomsday, "dies", and we get to see how the world reacts to suddenly NOT having Superman around. Of course, Superman isn't dead, and when he returns, Luthor snaps. Cue green and purple power armor and Superman finally being able to fight Luthor. Of course, Luthor can't win when fighting Superman, even if he should put up a good show. And we end it with Luthor going to jail, Superman flying high in the sky above Metropolis, sun at his back, and flying into the camera with his chest, leaving the Superman shield logo on the screen. The end.

This became a lot longer than I had planned... But the idea basically is to set Superman up to be Superman, and build up Lex Luthor as the smartest villain on Earth by playing up some other villains. You could also use Darkseid, but if Brainiac is there, we have enough alien villains.

And when I say Superman has to be Superman, I do mean the too good to be true nice guy with the power of a god. And the costume is supposed to be flashy, not muted.
 
I think Superman should be considered an outsider or freak by those who dislike him but it would be strange if people actually believed he was an alien when he looks exactly like a human. That's why I feel that Kryptonians should be descendants of humans who learned how to become superpowered through absorbing the energy of the sun. They eventually ended up destroying each other and the Earth, and the survivors discovered Krypton. The diguise thing isn't perfectly realistic but everyone has kind of accepted it, seeing as how it doesn't really change much of anything if Superman is found out to be Clark anyways.
 
So guys, I'm working on a Superman art. But I've got two version and I'm not sure which version I want to go with.

The first one is a play on the classic Action Comics of Superman holding up the car. But it's Superman holding up the World, all triumphant like. And the second one is a back view of Superman struggling with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Which one do you think is a better interpretation of Superman?

Also, I'm gonna put it on a t-shirt since there's really no Superman t-shirts that I like.
 
First 1-50 run of JLA Superman is my favorite. All those characters are so good, but it's superman who leads a team to do what he can't do alone. It shows he has limitations with out coming up with silly ways to hamper his skills.

I also really enjoy the Superman who beat Dominus. It's one of the rare arcs I've never seen collected, but it touches on many parts of the Superman story.
 
I always liked the idea that Superman was constantly in control of himself and his powers and if he ever really lets loose it is going to cause cataclysmic collateral damage. So even when he is fighting villains he is keeping himself in check. And when he really goes all out you can tell:

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Animated series Superman is powerful enough to do the character justice, yet vulnerable enough to make his conflicts interesting. He's idealistic enough to try and talk villains down and let them take the first shot, but smart enough to know when he has to put someone down. He's initially a wholesome goody two shoes due to his small town upbringing, but gets increasingly jaded and paranoid as the series progresses, sometimes to the point of snapping.

Basically I want a Superman that embraces the fantastical aspects of the character, without making him invincible. A paragon of virtue with a bristling frustration just under the surface that no matter how hard he tries and how noble an example he conveys, the world will always fall short of perfection. But he keeps at it anyway, because he's Superman. If you're going to put Luthor in it, give him something to do; full on diabolical super villain. But the story has to end, even if it's a sequel, with Darkseid, as he is Superman's conceptual opposite.
 
And stay away from the origin. Everyone knows the story. Unless it has something interesting to say about the character or ties directly into the current villain, Donnor's version still holds up incredibly well.
 
I've always wanted to read/write a story about someone with superman's level of powers trying to exist in a world that to him is basically made of cardboard and everyone else is basically about as resilient as tissue paper to him.

I imagine an adolescence (I'll assume that's when his powers manifest, cause a super powered baby just wouldn't work) where the first time he he threw a fit at his dad he destroyed something. If he doesn't flinch at a bullet hitting him then something like bumping a table means he doesn't stub his toe but completely destroys a table. Maybe he tried to save a pet when he was young and accidentally killed it by moving too quickly (car approaching, dog is running across the street. He tries to catch and move the dog while moving at 200+ miles per hour to intercept the animal. Dog dies.) I envision a man who completely avoids all contact with living creatures if possible. Every move is deliberate. I'd like to see him as an OCD recluse who only becomes superman cause he can't handle the pressure of living in a world that is so weak and volatile. He only becomes involved in huge problem like wars, genocide, science, and experimentation. I imagine him as a physicist or doctor (in his desire to understand why people are so fragile).

Add to that involuntary muscle actions that humans can't really control. How dense and pressurized does his body have to be to actually withstand the g forces his body endures. What about the first time he jerked off as an adolescent. Did he blow a hole in the ceiling? Are his sperm super? Do they travel super fast? Is the entire city of smallville littered with microscopic holes? What are the chances that a single super sperm might be able to actually penetrate a womans body and find an ovulating egg (it would have to be a single sperm since multiple sperm would just swarm and destroy a normal egg). That leaves room for a few immaculate conceptions in smallville. (Hat tip to man of steel woman of kleenex by Larry Niven)
 
Yoritomo said:
I've always wanted to read/write a story about someone with superman's level of powers trying to exist in a world that to him is basically made of cardboard and everyone else is basically about as resilient as tissue paper to him.

I imagine an adolescence (I'll assume that's when his powers manifest, cause a super powered baby just wouldn't work) where the first time he he threw a fit at his dad he destroyed something. If he doesn't flinch at a bullet hitting him then something like bumping a table means he doesn't stub his toe but completely destroys a table. Maybe he tried to save a pet when he was young and accidentally killed it by moving too quickly (car approaching, dog is running across the street. He tries to catch and move the dog while moving at 200+ miles per hour to intercept the animal. Dog dies.) I envision a man who completely avoids all contact with living creatures if possible. Every move is deliberate. I'd like to see him as an OCD recluse who only becomes superman cause he can't handle the pressure of living in a world that is so weak and volatile. He only becomes involved in huge problem like wars, genocide, science, and experimentation. I imagine him as a physicist or doctor (in his desire to understand why people are so fragile).

Add to that involuntary muscle actions that humans can't really control. How dense and pressurized does his body have to be to actually withstand the g forces his body endures. What about the first time he jerked off as an adolescent. Did he blow a hole in the ceiling? Are his sperm super? Do they travel super fast? Is the entire city of smallville littered with microscopic holes? What are the chances that a single super sperm might be able to actually penetrate a womans body and find an ovulating egg (it would have to be a single sperm since multiple sperm would just swarm and destroy a normal egg). That leaves room for a few immaculate conceptions in smallville. (Hat tip to man of steel woman of kleenex by Larry Niven)
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Yoritomo said:
Add to that involuntary muscle actions that humans can't really control. How dense and pressurized does his body have to be to actually withstand the g forces his body endures. What about the first time he jerked off as an adolescent. Did he blow a hole in the ceiling? Are his sperm super? Do they travel super fast? Is the entire city of smallville littered with microscopic holes? What are the chances that a single super sperm might be able to actually penetrate a womans body and find an ovulating egg (it would have to be a single sperm since multiple sperm would just swarm and destroy a normal egg). That leaves room for a few immaculate conceptions in smallville. (Hat tip to man of steel woman of kleenex by Larry Niven)
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The boy Clark finds a dead bird on his window, he had left it open the night before. He holds the bird and he's surprised that he can all of a sudden hear its beating heart. As the sun rises the heart beats slow down and the bird peacefully dies.
 
Maybe Superman should be a pacifist who learns he needs to fight in order to protect life:

"NO! NOOOOOOOOO!!! [smashes a car in anger; both pause, shocked] I will not sacrifice Metropolis. We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. Braniac destroys Krypton, and we fall back. He assimilates entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, and no farther! And I will make him pay for what he's done!"
 
Slayven said:
Irredeemable, basely what would happen if Superman snaps from the pressure of being perfect but unable to make perfect decisions.

The Plutonian sunk Singapore after the Singaporean PM lied to him.
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This looks fascinating. I think I need to pick up the first trade of this. I also need to get the second trade of Starman now that I remember.
 
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