What Is Your Vision for Superman?

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Essentially ageing, Alex Ross Superman, maybe Jon Hamm with some bulk on him.

Tone down the campy stuff and religious overtones but essentially have the idealistic 50's Golden Age superman dealing with the cynicism of the modern world that grew out of the man of tomorrow.

Maybe do away with the whole "Supehero civil war" as thats too many characters for a feature, just make it about him, Batman, Wonderwomen and some others reigning in a new breed of vigilante / power.
 
Log4Girlz said:
Ahahahaha. Dude, the guy has tree-trunks for arms in nearly every modern version I've seen.
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Erm not really. Go look up Alex's Ross art for the definite build. Even the DCAU version doesn't portray him as too buff. He is muscular, but not on the scale of Ronnie Coleman or Lee Priest. Hell, not even Arnold prime.
 
Ookami-kun said:
Erm not really. Go look up Alex's Ross art for the definite build. Even the DCAU version doesn't portray him as too buff. He is muscular, but not on the scale of Ronnie Coleman or Lee Priest. Hell, not even Arnold prime.
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This is the first image I see when I go to DC's superman section.

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I'd say that's an extreme bodybuilder look.
 
zoukka said:
This is the first image I see when I go to DC's superman section.

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I'd say that's an extreme bodybuilder look.
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Nah, go look up on the Ronnie Coleman video or even look for Lee Priest - those are bodybuilders. He is just a muscular athlete.
 
what do I want?

- make a sci-fi movie not a superhero movie.
- make superman global. Get him in other countries.
- no more bumbling Clark.
- krypton, show Jor-Els falling out with Zod.
- plant the seeds for darksied.
- innovate with the flying cinamatography.

Or just turn birthright into a film.
 
Superman goes to a twin earth where his twin brothers pod landed. The brother went the dark route and has taken over the twin earth as a ruler. Our earth is his next conquest.
 
An idea I had for a sequel to my first superman movie would be about a war in Metropolis between two criminal organizations, one of them controlled by Lex and the other controlled by an unknown figure. Both sides have ambitions to dominate the world and Clark Kent explores one organization while Superman deals with the other. The major plot twist is that Braniac is actually the head of the other organization. When he tried to reach Earth, he accidentally landed thousands of years before Clark did and his ship broke down from the toll that time travel can take on a ship. Ever since then he has been gaining followers to do his bidding and trying to build himself back up. I have a lot to things to still work out, but the gist of it is Superman trying to navigate between two organizations and Luthor's megalomania while ultimately being duped by Braniac who is the larger enemy working behind the scenes.
 
Here's a basic schematic to work from

Superman is a Kryptonian
Kryptonians are super-advanced version of humans
Superman is physically AND mentally superior

For some reason most comics forget the last part, pretending that people like Lex Luthor and Batman could be on his level, without a superhuman intellect.

The struggle Superman faces is making sure justice works without getting angry and calling people names and beating them up

Slayven said:
Something that involves Superboy Prime. Such a fun villain.
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TV Movie with Superboy-Prime beating the hell out of Tom Welling Clark Kent, complaining that Lois & Clark was a better show
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
sorry, I don't see it. it makes for an interesting film... for a while. but I'm pretty sure that if someone is working their asses off trying to make the world a better place most normal will come around and like the guy. but I seriously do not want to see Superman get nerfed. there is no need for that. plenty of stories where we can have both the super and the man.
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I think there are some reasons why Clark's disguise could work but to most people they only buy into it because it is a comic book. How I would handle it is to acknowledge the possible short comings of the Clark disguise. Like one of Superman's friends says "wow you really think that would work, what do you think we live in a comic book universe"?Then we can just move on.
 
I'm torn. On the one hand I love Morrison and Quitely's interpretation of a completely relaxed guy going about fixing and saving the world with an inquisitive interest.

On the other hand, the sheer pressure of his responsibility would harden him, he'd always be distant, and stern. He would be optimistic, but only when it concerns what he can change using his own abilities.
 
From wikipedia:

"In the original Siegel and Shuster stories, Superman's personality is rough and aggressive. The character was seen stepping in to attack and terrorize wife beaters, profiteers, a lynch mob and gangsters, with rather rough edges and a looser moral code than audiences may be used to today. Later writers have softened the character and instilled a sense of idealism and moral code of conduct. Although not as cold-blooded as the early Batman, the Superman featured in the comics of the 1930s is unconcerned about the harm his strength may cause, tossing villainous characters in such a manner that fatalities would presumably occur, although these were seldom shown explicitly on the page"
 
I basically want Homeland, expect the main character is a Superman that was tortured with kryponite and turned...or maybe he wasnt?!
 
A film that focuses more on Clark and the relationship between him and Lois. You never get a good sense of why they like each other. Explore the duality between Superman and Clark.
 
LevelNth said:
I find it funny that some people still don't realize part of the whole point of Superman is that he is overpowered.
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Does there really need to be a point to Superman? I know there are some themes and ideas that will always be connected with him: superpowers, immigrant story, etc. but beyond that I think he works because people can project onto him whatever they want to see. I think a Superman story shouldn't stick to any conventions, just build an interesting story first.
 
Didn't we already have this thread?

Anyway, I'll restate my answer, which is also the correct answer. :P

SUPERMAN, directed by Paul Verhoeven, written by Ed Neuemeier.

Earth's governments threaten Supes with deportation unless he goes to 'liberate' the people of Apokalips. Think 'War on Terror' with Darkseid as Saddam/Osama, LexCorp as Halliburton/oil companies and Supes as the dupe who just wants to do what is right. Featuring lots of commercials and news reports a la STARSHIP TROOPERS and ROBOCOP.
 
I'd do a sequel to Returns. Returns had it's problems, but I think Singer et al could have made a fantastic sequel. Here was my idea from a couple years ago.

Oozer3993 said:
They could make a fuck awesome sequel to SR, but unfortunately it's looking like they're going to reboot. I've been refining my take on a SR sequel since I last posted it. Here goes V 2.0:

Act 1: Braniac (the Kryptonian super-computer version from TAS) picks up readings of Kryptonite from the huge chunk of it Supes tossed into space and heads to Earth to investigate. At first he claims to come here only to share his knowledge with us and learn about us. Superman is all psyched to meet a piece of his homeworld and learn more about it from some one who knows everything until they meet and Brainiac, having gathered everything he desires, tries to kill him. A super powered fight ensues around the Fortress of Solitude, ending in a stalemate with both badly injured.

Act 2: Lex, sensing an opportunity, offers to help Brainiac repair himself and lets him know that Supes has a kid. Lex also takes this time to secretly have his scientists study Brainiac's robotic body. Meanwhile the Daily Planet is trying to get a leg up on coverage of the new alien hero. Thinking Superman's view on the guy and knowledge of their planet would get them the most readers, they send Lois to interview him. Superman and Lois being thrust together again starts to gnaw at Richard.

Act 3: Newly repaired Brainiac kidnaps the kid to use as leverage to get Supes to let him destroy the planet. Richard shows up, wanting to help in any way he can to rescue what he thinks is his kid, only to see him display a super power. This, combined with years of watching Lois pine for Superman tips him over the edge. Superman refuses to let Earth be destroyed, so Braniac decides to start the destruction by killing the kid. Superman goes nuts (or as nuts as Supes will go) upon seeing his son, the only other living Kryptonian, about to be killed by the only other piece of his homeworld. He attacks Brainiac and frees the kid. Then starts the epic fight we've all wanted to see on screen for years. They get tossed through buildings, start throwing vehicles at each other and unleash a bunch of powers on each other. You could go really crazy with this and have it take place at a bunch places around the world, maybe have it end with Supes impaling Brainiac on the Space Needle of something. Of course Superman eventually emerges victorious. Richard, now knowing the kid, who he was beginning to feel was his only connection to Lois, isn't his, has had enough and splits with Lois. End with a scene showing Luthor talking to his techs who inform him that while they can pretty closely replicate parts of Brainiac's body (with a kryptonite power source), they can't duplicate the AI. They'll need a human brain. Queue the credits. Have a stinger after the credits showing Lex approaching Richard, asking if he'd be interested in his new project to eliminate Superman: Project Metallo.
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And it turns out that wasn't far off from what Bryan Singer was planning for a Returns sequel.
 
my vision would be to bring a villian unknown to superman. that unknown villian knows something that superman doesnt know. this villian comes from other planet ( though its not revealed by him or her). Kryptonian? Saiyan? Other? This could lead to another plot. Different powers. Epic battles. Villian can transform to power up.
Clark Kent should have a different love interest. A young, beautiful woman in a relationship with Clark. She cares for Clark.
Those are my 2 main points. It should focus on the action more, especially on the battle scenes.
 
I don't have a whole lot of time to get into this, but attempts at making Superman relatable by giving him tons of problems and making him an outsider/outcast from society are pretty much what I don't want to see. What I do want to see is Superman dealing with larger-than-life villains and doing the kinds of things that only Superman can do, all while being totally happy and well-adjusted and loving the life he leads. Sure, he needs obstacles to overcome; but at the end of the day he's Superman and you should envy him... not pity him.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
I don't have a whole lot of time to get into this, but attempts at making Superman relatable by giving him tons of problems and making him an outsider/outcast from society are pretty much what I don't want to see. What I do want to see is Superman dealing with larger-than-life villains and doing the kinds of things that only Superman can do, all while being totally happy and well-adjusted and loving the life he leads. Sure, he needs obstacles to overcome; but at the end of the day he's Superman and you should envy him... not pity him.
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I just want a movie where he punches someone.
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
I'm good. We already got All-Star Superman. Just send it to a studio and we're done here.

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Agreed. Superman is at his most interesting when he's old and been dealing with his legacy and his impact on Earth. I don't really care about him figuring out how to balance his superhero life and his alter ego, or his romance with Lois. I like the big, long view, sci-fi type stuff.
 
Slayven said:
I just want a movie where he punches someone.
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This needs to be put into a film at some point:

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That's the kind of thing I want to do in my Superman films. Epic one on one battles with punches being thrown and people getting shot with eye beams and Superman getting the crap kicked out of him. Of course this scene is much more than that because of the history between Darkseid and Superman and what he says at the end.
 
FairyD said:
A film that focuses more on Clark and the relationship between him and Lois. You never get a good sense of why they like each other. Explore the duality between Superman and Clark.
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She's a cynical 'modern woman' who fell for an honest and ultimately rock solid All-American farmboy from the midwest who was in love with her for like 15 years.

She's also the no-nonsense, snarky, intelligent, in your face type who doesn't run from danger when there's a story, who also happens to be supermodel gorgeous.

It's not hard to see why they like each other. Plus they've both had chances with others, but he went for the one woman who made it the most difficult for him, and she went for the true blue male with old fashioned values.
 
Slayven said:
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Oh my God YES. Irredeemable is one of the BEST interpretations of an all powerful being ever. The difference is this guy gets tired of the pettiness of those he saves since one of his powers is he is a powerful telepath and can't turn off hearing everyone's thoughts when they are directed at himself. This guy is likely more powerful than Superman how he is written and he goes completely insane and starts to wreck the world.

People go on and on about why didn't you save this person. The real answer is because he was busy saving someoen else. That scene was part of his revenge on the world. He sank singapore and when they begged him not to he forced them to choose only 10 to survive and said "Now you know what it feels like" then killed the rest.

Seriously Irredeemable is one of the most vivid portrayals of the Superman problem ever and they take it as far as they can go with what happens if that person did lose it. Go read this NOW.
 
shaowebb said:
Seriously Irredeemable is one of the most vivid portrayals of the Superman problem ever and they take it as far as they can go with what happens if that person did lose it. Go read this NOW.
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"...the Superman...problem..." Bailiff, slap this man in irons and take him to his cell. I've heard enough.


(remember we want Siegel and Shuster, not Friedrich Nietzsche.)
 
The idea of who Superman saves and who he doesn't has never really interested me because I never liked the idea of Superman as an all powerful character. He has super strength and speed but he can't be anywhere he wants to be in an instant so he just helps the people of Metropolis whenever they need it because he is close by. Other than that Clark should only become Superman to deal with extreme dangerous threats: super villains, giant robots, and other similarly daunting creatures. Also you have a little bit of comic book suspension of reality, obviously superheroes can't work in real life.
 
apana said:
The idea of who Superman saves and who he doesn't has never really interested me because I never liked the idea of Superman as an all powerful character. He has super strength and speed but he can't be anywhere he wants to be in an instant so he just helps the people of Metropolis whenver they need it because he is close by. Other than that Superman should only become Superman to deal with extreme dangerous threats: super villains, giant robots, and other similarly daunting creatures. Also you have a little bit of comic book suspension of reality, obviously superheroes can't work in real life.
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You can always solve that problem by having multiple robot Supermans that were made by Superman.

Worked in the silver age.
 
- Superman's powers nerfed down to the point where he's completely wiped out by the plane scene in Superman Returns, for instance. That's about the right level. He's not indestructable either (I'm thinking Fleischer cartoons level of vulnerability).
- Clark Kent is the "real" identity of Superman, Superman is the facade he puts on
- Clark is a fairly successful reporter, not a bumbling idiot who just has a job because Superman is his source.
- A lot of the movie would Lois/Clark doing investigations in all sorts of locations (I'm thinking Indiana Jones/Tin Tin type adventure serial stuff), with cliffhangers and Clark trying to get out the situation without revealing he's got super powers.
 
Maybe Superman's flaw is that he's too powerful?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl_5UwS57X8

Sort of a Great power, great risk of hurting people.

He's a guy who if he punched a normal guy with even a hundreth of his full power would turn them into hamburger. His fights with people who can actually go throw down with him cause massive collateral damage, endangering anyone nearby. If he used his full speed in a city, the sonic boom would blow out every window nearby.

there was a scene from Superman returns that could have been done that way: When he's stopping that bank robbery, and a guy turns a machine gun on him. Sure, it was never going to scratch superman, but the bullets could easily ricochet off him and hurt someone else.

Spend the movie showing how he has to touch the world with kid glove on the whole time. Maybe a scene where he has to sit and evaluate a situation with his powers, and analyze it like Robert Downey in the last Sherlock holmes movie.

" Three men in the office with machine guns. Two hostages. Come in through the wall? No, its load bearing, i could bring the whole building down. Front door? They'd shoot, high chance of ricochet hitting the hostages or them. Not possible to melt them all with my heat vision in time. Superhearing reveals their heartbeats are raised. They're scared, they know i'm out here. Leave the scene, let things cool down, and let the police negotiators handle this? Unlikely to succeed without aid. ::Looks into one of their wallets with X-ray vision and sees a drivers license:: Name XX, lives at XX. Picture of older woman, likely mother. Find mother, have her call into the room, hope this can defuse the situation."

The end of the movie he finally gets to cut loose and fight a villain who he doesn't have to hold back on.

Showing him as a person who has to think very carefully before he does anything, and not just some dumb brute who goes SUPERMAN SMASH! all the time. It would be an interesting characterization, at least I think.

So many recommendations for All star superman. I've never read it, but now i'm thinking of picking it up.
 
akira28 said:
"...the Superman...problem..." Bailiff, slap this man in irons and take him to his cell. I've heard enough.


(remember we want Siegel and Shuster, not Friedrich Nietzsche.)
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Whatever guy. If you can't admit that someone that powerful is unnerving to the populous and going to require a reaction from everyone in power on earth then your just being a delusional fan with no scope of realism. It doesn't matter that he's a hero and does good things for everyone. You still have to plan for worst case scenarios if you're in power and if you don't control him you have to have a plan in case he loses control either from lashing out, losing it, or from being controlled through some means of blackmail or other stimuli.

Blah blah blah hes a good guy and not a problem at all is just childish. Grown ups are required to take precautions like this. Irredeemable is a comic that illustrates the worst case scenario that the world would have to consider being possible if such a man ever existed. Blind optimism doesn't mean folks wouldn't have to prepare and consider this possibility no matter how unlikely it may be in the case of this particular Superman. It just comes with it so quit pretending the real world could do any less.

You can still make a movie that has all your mindless punching things and cheering from grateful people who were saved and still tackle the real issues surrounding the existence of a Superman. I'm tired of this argument ...its like no one who wants super heroic beloved Superman in a movie can admit you can have both that Superman AND what I am saying illustrated in the same film. Ignoring what I say makes your movie dull and lifeless. Its just violent. Use what I say and you get your violence, but you also gain meaning to his actions and victories. Its part of why All Star Superman is so memorable. It makes you consider the worth of the man from everyone's perspective.

So "yes"...the Superman Problem. That problem is what do you do if a man like that lost control or ever turned against you? No matter how unlikely the scenario based on the man this problem EXISTS if the man exists. You have to think of how the world would react to this question because they would all have to no matter what Superman does.
 
Why wouldn't Superman be a good guy? He essentially grew up knowing nothing of his Kryptonian past. He's just a farmboy who found out he had superpowers. I like Superman's innocence, he's one of the few characters that held onto it for a while.

The whole "he's an alien and the world should be scared" angle is no doubt interesting, but realize it's a very modern take on the character that results from our current political and cultural climate. It contrasts with my view of Supes, who always seemed like a character who embodied what people should strive to be; just damn good people that help each other regardless.

Superman's optimism is what should set him apart. He should be the man that inspires the world to be better. Hence Super-man.
 
Superman can be a good guy and optimistic and innocent. I really want that and have mentioned it constantly. However, that doesn't mean the world is that innocent. Thats why he's "Super" man as you put it. The world isn't as innocent and good willed as him and his actions have to set an example to them. He has to be the better man. So show their fear and show him doing his best to stay good and not be brought down by all the fear and paranoia.

No one here seems to listen when I say you can have both.
 
U n i o n 0015 said:
Why wouldn't Superman be a good guy? He essentially grew up knowing nothing of his Kryptonian past. He's just a farmboy who found out he had superpowers. I like Superman's innocence, he's one of the few characters that held onto it for a while.

The whole "he's an alien and the world should be scared" angle is no doubt interesting, but realize it's a very modern take on the character that results from our current political and cultural climate. It contrasts with my view of Supes, who always seemed like a character who embodied what people should strive to be; just damn good people that help each other regardless.

Superman's optimism is what should set him apart. He should be the man that inspires the world to be better. Hence Super-man.
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