RealityCheque
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Said in a post on a videogame forum. Spectacular.
What`s the point in buying consoles if they take PC like approaches?
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Said in a post on a videogame forum. Spectacular.
RealityCheque
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Also, what overhead? Like RAM usage?
Cue the complaint that "it's hidden in the settings"
derExperte
Member
Browsing through my games on PS4 is nothing like Steam though, it's much more cumbersome. You can't even filter out the games that are not installed in the library view or jump there with a single button press, no folders, no tagging, no pinning, no nothing. The OS itself is fine and reasonably fast but they then decided to make the part where you search for and then start a game as annoying as possible. You've got that nice touchpad, why not use it to navigate the UI more easily?
You're right, Skyrim on PS3 was a flawless experience
Years ago I would have told you that the benefit was that you knew all the games released on it would run, and run well. You wouldn't have to worry about upgrading certain parts of your PC, many which cost as much as a console.
Nowadays tho, I'm not sure anymore, since games released on consoles are horribly unoptimized (Fallout 4, JC3)
Nowadays tho, I'm not sure anymore, since games released on consoles are horribly unoptimized (Fallout 4, JC3)
GhostTrick
Banned
The point being IMO the price point and accessibility for mass market. I think consoles taking the PC approach is good if it leads to more uniformisation in libraries, or platform agnostism. I wouldn't mind if next generation, Sony and Microsoft would sell boxes with dual boot, one booting on their console OS/store front and one other OS to boot PC games.
PS3 was a great step in that direction before all the Geohot hack stuff.
PS3 was a great step in that direction before all the Geohot hack stuff.
It was cinematic.
Moon_frogger
Member
'Other than the obvious and major advantages, why do people like thing?'
lol seriously though.
lol seriously though.
To be fair, Skyrim also does that on 360 and the ps3 port is strait up trash.
I'd like to note that this is the guy that people often accuse of trolling.
I could build you a PC in 4 hours, understanding the PS4 menu on the other hand... I still don't understand what it's doing most of the time. But that's just me lol.
Not any more, thanks to the Steam Controller and it's new features.
Also, what overhead? Like RAM usage?
That's cool. I wasn't aware that they had added those options.
I'm talking about the general overhead that having an all-purpose OS causes. Also the APIs created to interface with different kinds of hardware from different manufacturers. Consoles have an advantage in that the APIs are created to interface with a single piece of hardware.
Gully State
Member
Skyrim has issues on all platforms.
The ease of use gap between a PC and the current consoles is shrinking, but it's still there. Consoles are getting more complicated with updates and installs, while PC gaming is getting easier since those processes are becoming just as automated as they are on consoles. The only real difference left is that consoles are still cheaper and you don't have to download drivers or mess with graphics settings.
I don't even think certification is that big an advantage anymore, not compared to PC. It certainly is an advantage compared to the mobile space which is filled with clones and other absolute dreck. On PC however you have multiple game distributors (not just Steam) promoting the most worthwhile games. Consoles are getting more of the good indie games these days, but it's still not enough. There are still tons of good indies that either don't get released on consoles or still get released on consoles months after PC. A console version of Undertale hasn't even been announced yet.
I don't even think certification is that big an advantage anymore, not compared to PC. It certainly is an advantage compared to the mobile space which is filled with clones and other absolute dreck. On PC however you have multiple game distributors (not just Steam) promoting the most worthwhile games. Consoles are getting more of the good indie games these days, but it's still not enough. There are still tons of good indies that either don't get released on consoles or still get released on consoles months after PC. A console version of Undertale hasn't even been announced yet.
silvermember
Banned
I see.
Shifty Capone1
Member
I figured there was another thread already on this. And t seems to go well with what is being talked about in this thread.
With all this talk, do you think Microsofts next console will just be a PC that will run Win10 with XboxOS auto starting? I don't see why they wouldn't. Then just allow all PCs running Win10 to be Xboxs through the app? Still paying for gold. I guess one problem would be not allowing mouse/keyboard support for games, but I'm sure they could get around that with a steam like big picture mode. This would now allow millions of people to be Xbox owners out of nowhere. And allow PCs to run whatever they want. At this point it seems 90%+ of games run on PC with all its different hardware well. Just have the Xbox app do everything. I feel like this is the next logical step for Microsoft. They have this huge base just sitting there not getting used. Sony would be more or less unable to compete at that point. Why wouldn't developers go with Microsoft (both) with a base that big? I have all consoles (minus the Wii U, but that soon). But to a lot of my friends who only own a PC they would love to buy some of those games to play with the friends who only have an Xbox etc. thoughts?
With all this talk, do you think Microsofts next console will just be a PC that will run Win10 with XboxOS auto starting? I don't see why they wouldn't. Then just allow all PCs running Win10 to be Xboxs through the app? Still paying for gold. I guess one problem would be not allowing mouse/keyboard support for games, but I'm sure they could get around that with a steam like big picture mode. This would now allow millions of people to be Xbox owners out of nowhere. And allow PCs to run whatever they want. At this point it seems 90%+ of games run on PC with all its different hardware well. Just have the Xbox app do everything. I feel like this is the next logical step for Microsoft. They have this huge base just sitting there not getting used. Sony would be more or less unable to compete at that point. Why wouldn't developers go with Microsoft (both) with a base that big? I have all consoles (minus the Wii U, but that soon). But to a lot of my friends who only own a PC they would love to buy some of those games to play with the friends who only have an Xbox etc. thoughts?
That's a problem in its self. I have to pay to put better hardware in my PC in order for it to be quicker. I'm not going to leave a PC on 24/7 on sleep mode cause there's a whole slew of problems associated with that. If I run an intensive program on my computer I can just throw usability out the window and that's not the same with consoles since multi-tasking like browsing the internet on the Gamepad during game or using the Xbox One's Game DVR are all integrated in the OS to be the most efficient. If I have to sit here and research specific parts to make my PC run faster or learn how to modify the game's .ini files or whatever on PC it's taking me longer to actually get to the game. Things like Solid State Drives of course give you better performance but you got to pay the premium price and have the knowledge and no how for it.
And regards to the password thing, who doesn't have a password for your computer? That's your device with the most personal information, why wouldn't you have a password to protect your computer? Also you can have passwords on consoles too it's just way more more common to have passwords on a computer.
inpHilltr8r
Member
Not having to deal with Windows, and the joy that brings.
Yep, that's on paper, and I also think that tweet is talking about performance per watt(?). Either way, what it really comes down to is optimizations. Which is why you see things like this:That's cool. I wasn't aware that they had added those options.
I'm talking about the general overhead that having an all-purpose OS causes. Also the APIs created to interface with different kinds of hardware from different manufacturers. Consoles have an advantage in that the APIs are created to interface with a single piece of hardware.
That's a budget PC, and this is becoming the norm this generation. (with the occasional exception)
tearsintherain
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I own all the platforms but mostly game on ps4. for me its basically just insert and play, and trade-ability. PC games are all now 100% digital so if you buy something its yours forever, with minor exceptions - 2 hour steam refund, 24 hour Origin refund.
With console I buy a new game for $40-50 with best buy GCU, play for 2-5 weeks, then trade it in for $30-40 and keep that credit train rolling forward. I could wait for the same games to come out on PC 2 years later for $10-20, but I'd rather play them asap.
Top studio games tend to be all pretty good nowadays, so it just becomes a matter of personal preference whether you will like it or not. So I'd rather cast my net wide and far and try different games to see what I like than depend on reviews/twitch/MC/etc.
With console I buy a new game for $40-50 with best buy GCU, play for 2-5 weeks, then trade it in for $30-40 and keep that credit train rolling forward. I could wait for the same games to come out on PC 2 years later for $10-20, but I'd rather play them asap.
Top studio games tend to be all pretty good nowadays, so it just becomes a matter of personal preference whether you will like it or not. So I'd rather cast my net wide and far and try different games to see what I like than depend on reviews/twitch/MC/etc.
Head.spawn
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Finaika
Member
What's wrong with Windows?
As someone who primarily plays the PC, my PS4 is just easier and simpler to use. The Witcher 3, for example, was a week-long effort for me to get it working. For others who only play consoles, there's also the price factor. I have found that a $400 PS4 plays games at better settings than a $400 PC unless you go bargain hunting- but then again, that same logic could be applied to a PS4, you could get a cheap PS4 for like $300 if you really wait and watch prices as you would for cheap PC parts. I myself got my PS4 for $400 with TLOU, Madden 16 and MGSV, and this is Canada we are talking about so... yeah. Not to mention said $400 PC would still give you problems that could be avoided with a console.
TheChocolateWar
Member
Then don't use Windows.
biglittleps
Member
Yep, that's on paper, and I also think that tweet is talking about performance per watt(?). Either way, what it really comes down to is optimizations. Which is why you see things like this:
That's a budget PC, and this is becoming the norm this generation. (with the occasional exception)
If you don't code properly and did not optimize by porting from PC then it happens. There are games from Sony first party studio which proves that console hardware is capable of more than its PC counterpart.
inpHilltr8r
Member
I don't, unless I'm being paid to.
We haven't really seen it yet though and probably won't until Uncharted 4 (having played the beta I think it looks great mainly in the character models, but overall it's nothing mindblowing. At least not to the level that I felt Uncharted 2 did during it's time).
Bloodborne has FPS issues and doesn't look that fantastic to begin with, The Order looks incredible but most of the game is non-playable and playspaces are very constrained, so there's an obvious sacrifice there. Until Dawn is very nice as well but also constantly runs below 30. Infamous Second Son I would say is around the same level as AC Syndicate, although the world is so barren that I assume that's how they keep the frame rate in check. Driveclub looks good even though I don't think it's as crazy graphically as people think it is.
CadetMahoney
Member
if you have download huge mandatory patches then it's an "equalizer" in my eyes, probably worse overall.
Gunmonkey36
Member
Because I want to pay Sony or Microsoft to play online multiplayer. They deserve it.
Because mouse and keyboards are "hard" to use....
Because I can't be bothered to actually learn about the hardware I'm using...learning is terrible...I just want my content now and I don't want to understand technology at all...learning is for nerds and I'm afraid to google the problems I'm facing
Because I'd like to watch all my games install at a much slower speed than they would on my PC... more time to think of all the fun I'm gonna have.
Because I enjoy long loading times... Again I need time to think about how much fun I'm gonna have
Because I enjoy a cinematic 24fps experience. Movie quality directly translates to the video game medium for my eyes. I have special eyes.
Because I don't understand what PC specs mean and everyone keeps telling me I need to download more RAM...Why can't my potato 1000 run this game that says it requires a potato 3000? They are both clearly Potatoes.
Because spending more than $400 makes my insides feel funny...How am I supposed to pay for my sneaks, booze, new iphone, beats, and cigs if I put money into a computer?
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Okay all sweeping generalizations and jokes aside there are very clear reasons why people choose to console game.
Consoles have a lower investment buy in resulting in more of ones social circle having access to it.
Likewise the technological knowledge required to turn on and use a console is significantly less than dealing with a PC(not that either is terribly hard). This again allows for more of ones social circle to participate in the gaming.
Obvious other reasons are Nintendo titles and other exclusives.
TL
R; Ease of use, cheap entry price, greater social involvement,particular IP interest.
Because mouse and keyboards are "hard" to use....
Because I can't be bothered to actually learn about the hardware I'm using...learning is terrible...I just want my content now and I don't want to understand technology at all...learning is for nerds and I'm afraid to google the problems I'm facing
Because I'd like to watch all my games install at a much slower speed than they would on my PC... more time to think of all the fun I'm gonna have.
Because I enjoy long loading times... Again I need time to think about how much fun I'm gonna have
Because I enjoy a cinematic 24fps experience. Movie quality directly translates to the video game medium for my eyes. I have special eyes.
Because I don't understand what PC specs mean and everyone keeps telling me I need to download more RAM...Why can't my potato 1000 run this game that says it requires a potato 3000? They are both clearly Potatoes.
Because spending more than $400 makes my insides feel funny...How am I supposed to pay for my sneaks, booze, new iphone, beats, and cigs if I put money into a computer?
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Okay all sweeping generalizations and jokes aside there are very clear reasons why people choose to console game.
Consoles have a lower investment buy in resulting in more of ones social circle having access to it.
Likewise the technological knowledge required to turn on and use a console is significantly less than dealing with a PC(not that either is terribly hard). This again allows for more of ones social circle to participate in the gaming.
Obvious other reasons are Nintendo titles and other exclusives.
TL
R; Ease of use, cheap entry price, greater social involvement,particular IP interest.Can't wait for the inevitable PC vs Console thread that happens tomorrow. See everyone there
VincentMatts
Member
Before you bought a console because it was easy to use (easily accessible), no stress (didnt need to fuck around with with settings), games worked (didnt need 20 gig day 1 patches).
Now Everything that made consoles great is slowly going away. Were getting everything that i hated about PC, plus i pay a shit ton more for my games.
Theyre killing what made consoles great and honestly, i think in the long run, if things keep going this way, consoles will just become even more like PC/console hybrids but with none of the PC advantages.
Theres nothing good about this imo.
Now Everything that made consoles great is slowly going away. Were getting everything that i hated about PC, plus i pay a shit ton more for my games.
Theyre killing what made consoles great and honestly, i think in the long run, if things keep going this way, consoles will just become even more like PC/console hybrids but with none of the PC advantages.
Theres nothing good about this imo.
I have a very hard time believing that consoles will move to changable hardware. Seems like a nightmare logistically and would be counter to the point of having consoles in the first place.
I think when people say moving towards PCthay it just means using more PC style GPUs and CPUs.
I think when people say moving towards PCthay it just means using more PC style GPUs and CPUs.
Arondight
Member
I will say I like the downloading and sharing features on my PS4 much better than PC. I prefer gaming on my PC though due to the ease of swithing in and out of programs but exclusives is pretty much the biggest reason I got consoles.
One of the things that's both good and bad about PC is the method of control. I mean, for SP games, it's great when I switch between mouse and keyboard/controllers but there are times and experiences where controllers feel much better but in any MP online experiences, you're basically inhibiting yourself when playing that most times end up being me ignoring the controller option and sticking to keyboard and mouse despite being less comfortable. Controllers aren't great for aiming and at times wish there was a better method of control, but they feel nice to hold for long durations and on consoles, at least you know you're on the same playing field even though you know you can't access more accurate controls.
One of the things that's both good and bad about PC is the method of control. I mean, for SP games, it's great when I switch between mouse and keyboard/controllers but there are times and experiences where controllers feel much better but in any MP online experiences, you're basically inhibiting yourself when playing that most times end up being me ignoring the controller option and sticking to keyboard and mouse despite being less comfortable. Controllers aren't great for aiming and at times wish there was a better method of control, but they feel nice to hold for long durations and on consoles, at least you know you're on the same playing field even though you know you can't access more accurate controls.
poet at play
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I choose Playstation because it's where my favourite series is - Yakuza.
Whatever else I play on it, (mostly Immersive Simulations & Euro RPG's's), is gravy.
For everything else in life, I use a Macbook.
I've found my techno-serenity.
Whatever else I play on it, (mostly Immersive Simulations & Euro RPG's's), is gravy.
For everything else in life, I use a Macbook.
I've found my techno-serenity.
Um... YOU'RE GETTING THOSE LOWER SETTINGS ON CONSOLES
It's already happening. It's been happening since launch. It will continue to happen!
That's cool. I wasn't aware that they had added those options.
I'm talking about the general overhead that having an all-purpose OS causes. Also the APIs created to interface with different kinds of hardware from different manufacturers. Consoles have an advantage in that the APIs are created to interface with a single piece of hardware.
Sorry buddy but none of that's really true anymore. Heck I think with the full DX12 feature set (or stuff like Mantle and Vulkan) PCs ahead of the game here. You're coding through APIs on both PCs and consoles. You're locked out of 1.5 cores and 3GB of ram on consoles as well, and they have to share theirs!
The Xbox One is basically a Windows 8 PC running a customized Hyper-V through which the DX11-like API interacts. Oh, and they've slightly customized the Windows Media Center/Store/etc interfaces to make it console-like. And they're even planning to upgrade it to Windows 10 soon. You're buying a mid-low range PC with locked down games and extra fees. It's not a dissimilar story for the PS4 but replace Windows with BSD and another API.
There are forums to help you. And if you're primarily using the PC for gaming (not to do your taxes - you likely already have a machine for that) you can simply allow it to boot into a local user without a password. My machine, with an SSD, is in Windows within 6 seconds (modern UEFI BIOSes make it even quicker) and Steam and Origin load within another 10. From a cold boot. That's faster than any of my consoles can and will ever be. And if you're not sure of the parts to pick, there is a nice community here (and elsewhere) that are very helpful. And if you're not good with placing lego blocks, most computer stores will do it for you for an extra fee (here in Canada most charge 30-50 bucks). There are unfortunately still a lot of misconceptions with PC gaming and while I'm not singling you out with that statement, a lot of these misconceptions read like PC gaming a decade ago.
how else am I supposed to tell console players that their way of entertainment is wrong tho
Price,ease of use, guarantee that all games for that console will work on that console.
zero shift
Banned
I don't understand the "simplicity" argument.
Xbox One OS and event he PS4 OS are far more complicated and cumbersome to use than Steam or GOG Galaxy and are much more cumbersome to use to boot.
The reason I purchase consoles is if they offer significant unique experiences I can't get on the PC. Nintendo consoles do this well with their quirky games and various experimental designs.
Xbox One OS and event he PS4 OS are far more complicated and cumbersome to use than Steam or GOG Galaxy and are much more cumbersome to use to boot.
The reason I purchase consoles is if they offer significant unique experiences I can't get on the PC. Nintendo consoles do this well with their quirky games and various experimental designs.
Ricerocket
Member
This, I don't get it either, and now it seems common knowledge (atleast on X1) to add an external HD and buy a $150 controller... definitely doesn't seem like it's due to price to grab a console over a PC.
TouchMyBox
Member
Unless you're still playing snes or something, that's not true in the slightest, but yeah PC Gamers still need to be a bit more savvy and deal with a bit more shit than console gamers though. It would be nice if steamos improves and helps out with that or something similar.
For a long time I never would have understood this argument. And then Windows 10 happened.
TouchMyBox
Member
Windows still has a shit filesystem, but yeah everything else is pretty nice now. I'm pretty sure wddm is some kind of sorcery.
I am saying precisely the opposite. My gaming time is diminished when forced updates on computers at work wreak havoc and need to be corrected. It is the first time in my life that I have started to take anything that Mac enthusiasts say seriously.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Exclusives, if there weren't any I would be PC only.