What the ****ing ****, China? Monkey gets tied and beaten by park employees

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Arcteryx said:
I don't see the point in pointing out these posts. Is it an attempt to "shame"?

People make comments like this ALL the time in threads revolving around America.

Also, it doesn't help that the title in the OP uses that over-generalization as well.
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All comments that generalize the populace in a negative like this kind are bad. But this is a thread about China. Which is I'm asking why China seems to be latest on the 2 minutes of hate list. I point out these posts not to shame but to illustrate my point. The only shame in the equation comes from being unable to own what you are saying. A lot of people seem to make comments like this and perhaps understanding what they are saying may change.
ElectricBlue187 said:
You're really making an equivalence between a stopping a brutal murder and helping a small child that got run over in the road? Nope. Not seeing it.
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As I said earlier, that's the example that came from the top of my head. Should I care to research I am fairly sure I could come up with a more appropriate equivalent event that occurred in the United States or the UK. My point being that tarring an entire populace for a horrible event is foolish, hypocritical and wrong. Yet it seems it's acceptable lately for China because they are the big bad wolf on the block in relation to shifting world power.
 
Jackben said:
Yet it seems it's acceptable lately for China because they are the big bad wolf on the block in relation to shifting world power.
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Or maybe it's just their culture and values are wildly different from ours. I'm sure they think shit we do is weird too. I don't think if Norway or someone was the ascendant world power we'd have lots of "Norway bashing threads".
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Or maybe it's just their culture and values are wildly different from ours. I'm sure they think shit we do is weird too. I don't think if Norway or someone was the ascendant world power we'd have lots of "Norway bashing threads".
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I couldn't say why for sure but I agree that their culture and values being very different from what we have in the West definitely plays a part. What I can say is that as an American who spent several years living in another country, I am appreciative of how people accepted me for who I was going as far as to mention that all Americans might not be as awful as they thought. I'd like to think we can be similarly open minded in not generalizing the behavior of the Chinese based on negative events.
 
Can Crusher said:
Well they eat dog meat in China. They peel the skin off the dogs while they are still alive.

Now, in my country we aren't allowed to do that, so that's one thing that makes me believe they have a terrible way of looking at animals as a society overall. Or there would be certain laws against it.
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You should never watch documentaries about western industrialized animal farming.

Also there is nothing wrong in eating dogs/cats if you are ok with eating pigs who are smarter than those animals.

These comments do not remove the fact that I agree about china and other countries having lax laws about animal care. But that doesn't mean we have to be hypocrites about it. Look at your own country and what's wrong in it. That's something you can actually affect.
 
wsoxfan1214 said:
He was little. Kids don't really know better. These shit heads, however...
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zoukka said:
It is an excuse and a very valid one. Kids will kill and torture animals and if they are brought up proper, they will regret it later and stop doing it. There must be a lot of studies about the matter as well.
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It's strange, but true. It seems to be natural among many kids, unless taught otherwise. Up until the age of 4, my gf's nephew would try to abuse my dog, especially when he thought no one was looking: yank his tail, hold him down, kick or punch him, pull his leg, tease him, etc. Of course whenever my dog got irritated and gave him a very light nip as a warning (no teeth or force), he would run to his parents and lie that my dog bit him. We just had to teach him that this wasn't okay behavior and it's mostly gone away.
 
Jado said:
It's strange, but true. It seems to be natural among many kids, unless taught otherwise. Up until the age of 4, my gf's nephew would try to abuse my dog, especially when he thought no one was looking: yank his tail, hold him down, kick or punch him, pull his leg, tease him, etc. Of course whenever my dog got irritated and gave him a very light nip as a warning (no teeth or force), he would run to his parents and lie that my dog bit him. We just had to teach him that this wasn't okay behavior and it's mostly gone away.
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Yep. I killed a bird when I was very little, but felt horrible afterwards. Cried all day long and tried to think of ways to resurrect the poor fellow. I guess I deserve to die if we believe some people, but that's the human curiosity for you.
 
Jackben said:
I couldn't say why for sure but I agree that their culture and values being very different from what we have in the West definitely plays a part. What I can say is that as an American who spent several years living in another country, I am appreciative of how people accepted me for who I was going as far as to mention that all Americans might not be as awful as they thought. I'd like to think we can be similarly open minded in not generalizing the behavior of the Chinese based on negative events.
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how is that open minded exactly? they were generalizing Americans as being awful prior to meeting one, weren't they? Isn't that exactly what you're criticizing people of here?
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
how is that open minded exactly? they were generalizing Americans as being awful prior to meeting one, weren't they? Isn't that exactly what you're criticizing people of here?
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I don't expect everyone to automatically come from a point of being perfectly fair or politically correct in all their speech and action. My point was to illuminate the fact that these generalizations seem fairly common lately, pose the question 'why' and state that I thought it wasn't particularly fair. My personal anecdote at the end meant to illustrate that I am pleased that people are able to make that transformation of thought and hope that other people might too even if we don't all get to have a personal experience to instigate it.
 
Yikes, that's a pretty disturbing video. Wonder if anything will be done about this or will it basically go ignored in China? Would be awful if those guys get to continue working there.
 
Jackben said:
My point was to illuminate the fact that these generalizations seem fairly common lately, pose the question 'why' and state that I thought it wasn't particularly fair.
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first they ignore you
then they ridicule you
then they fight you
then you win
 
Jackben said:
Why is there a trend lately where negative news stories that happen to occur in China suddenly embody the behavior of the entire populace? Like that story about the girl who got hit and run over twice with people walking by where tons of posters compared Chinese citizens to uncaring monsters, as if that couldn't have happened in New York City (Kitty Genovese anyone?).

Be appalled by it all you want, but this kind of shit: is just ridiculous.
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It's not a recent trend. It's been happening for ages. If someone around here starts saying something like, "people of country/race/religion x are all shitheads" then they're inviting a great deal of criticism upon themselves and often a ban as well. However, if they're talking about China? It's somehow okay because, "lol I mean come on guys it's China." Seems borderline racism is accepted by the community when it's about Chinese.

Anyone who has spent time in china/is chinese/knows a lot of awesome chinese people/has half a brain should be fed up with this shit.
 
Feature is just fascinating to watch in this thread. Considering Timedog felt bad about throwing a rock as a kid, what would throwing a rock in his face now even accomplish besides slaking your childish baby bloodlust?
 
We don't really need zoo's. In this day and age we should be able to make awesome robot animals and it would be just as educative for people, especially young kids, as the real thing.

I like to believe most zoo's provide happy and healthy lives for their animals but you just know there is so much shit we don't see behind the scenes and that is why I've never been a big fan of them.
 
criesofthepast said:
We don't really need zoo's. In this day and age we should be able to make awesome robot animals and it would be just as educative for people, especially young kids, as the real thing.

I like to believe most zoo's provide happy and healthy lives for their animals but you just know there is so much shit we don't see behind the scenes and that is why I've never been a big fan of them.
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How do you feel about animal reservations?

Anyway I support well funded zoos that can actually care for the animals they possess properly.
 
The video stuck with me since I first saw it. I tried skimming through it again but I just can't do it... I'm just filled with disgust, sadness, and contempt.

Is there any info on how old is this? I wonder if the monkey is still alive... no creature should have to be subjected to this.
 
zoukka said:
You should never watch documentaries about western industrialized animal farming.

Also there is nothing wrong in eating dogs/cats if you are ok with eating pigs who are smarter than those animals.

These comments do not remove the fact that I agree about china and other countries having lax laws about animal care. But that doesn't mean we have to be hypocrites about it. Look at your own country and what's wrong in it. That's something you can actually affect.
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Don't western countries have laws regarding slaughter methods? I get that China eats dogs, that's their culture, I respect that. But skinning an animal alive is just for lack of a better word, barbaric.
 
"put the empty box thrown on the ground, directly toward Miss Liu, cling to her thighs. In addition there are a few monkeys toward the two male tourists, two male tourists run fast, is not monkey hurt".
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Lol I can't get my head around how they are trying to describe the situation.


Nothing really shocking, monkeys are some of the most vicious wild animals in the world.
If they start attacking humans they should be killed ON THE SPOT period! I mean, they will dismember you alive if they get the chance.

In some chimp sanctuaries, they have high voltage electrified fences so the monkeys won't try to climb over & rip off peoples faces. Once they are shocked, they won't try to go after humans coming near them.
 
Feature said:
In this case yes. These fuckers clearly are just doing it for fun / no reason. So in my eyes they deserve to go trough what they did to this defenseless animal.

Throwing a rock in some defenseless animal's face = throw a rock in your face.
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you definitely sound sane, don't sense any crazy from this post at all.
 
Jackben said:
That absolutely could have happened in NYC or another city or place in the United States, that's just the only example I had off the top of my head. Devil's advocate: the case of the girl getting run over and passed up in the street is probably not as clear cut as what we see in the security camera footage.

My point in bringing it up isn't to tar as much as ask why we feel it's okay to generalize one society because we don't understand or feel threatened by. Holding up these actions as examples of an entire populace is ridiculous. The kind of behavior required for these actions are human weaknesses you can find in many societies.
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Oh, I think it is. Multiple people walked by and left a toddler to bleed out. It wasn't like it was a busy road where they would have been endangering themselves. Nobody called the emergency services until her mother found her and lets not forget the second vehicle that ran her over. That video is exactly as bad as it looks.
 
CitizenCope said:
Damn humans suck.
This cartoon tells you everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU
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The video has some merit to it like the industrial crowding, obsession with consumerism, and carelessness toward nature but it's partly vegan hippie garbage. You're crazy if you think I as a human need to feel bad for killing animals to feed me and clothe me. You're crazy if you think that we can feed America without mass producing animals like cows solely for food. When you're at the top of the food chain you make the rules, and animals certainly don't hold back from eating their prey or making their tools, so I don't agree with making a pansy out of my species for the sake of lesser creatures, because the rest of the animal kingdom sure doesn't. However, do not interpret this as having anything to do with wildlife conservation or environmental sustainability. I'm all for that. I think we should protect the earth's species but I'm not about to feel guilty for eating a chicken strip.
 
Des0lar said:
Because people will not see the reason animals should be treated like humans. We living in the West have it ingrained since our childhood that you should treat animals with respect and harming animals is not only frowned upon but also punished by law.

In most Asian countries they are just catching up to us regarding human rights issues like child labour. And for most people, accepting that a child has rights is something completely new. You can't change everything at once, people will not accept too many sudden changes.
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Absolutely. America did not have these rights overnight. Before these issues were ingrained into our childhoods and punished by law, we had years and years of, *not that*.
Our righteousness (so to speak) comes from a very dark history.
 
The Lamp said:
You're crazy if you think I as a human need to feel bad for killing animals to feed me and clothe me.
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Well, it is completely unnecessary to eat and wear animal products for survival. And animals are treated inhumanely at factory farms. It's logical for someone to say that if you hate this video you should hate the treatment of animals that go into the food that you eat, or even that you should not kill animals for food at all, being that it is unnecessary.

The Lamp said:
You're crazy if you think that we can feed America without mass producing animals like cows solely for food.
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It would be quite simple to feed America without mass producing animals. Do you realize how many calories of plant food are taken in by the animals that we eat before they are killed? It's not a economical system.

The Lamp said:
When you're at the top of the food chain you make the rules, and animals certainly don't hold back from eating their prey or making their tools, so I don't agree with making a pansy out of my species for the sake of lesser creatures, because the rest of the animal kingdom sure doesn't.
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The rest of the carnivorous animal kingdom doesn't have rational thought mixed with the ability to survive without eating meat. Comparing humans to wild animals is very disingenuous.

I eat meat, btw. I just don't feel the need to rationalize doing so.
 
Jesus why did I watch that, and the full clip?

Seriously guys if I was walking past that I'm not sure I'd be able to control myself against these fucking halfwits. Un-fucking-believable that trash like these call themselves human beings.

What's the damn point of a zoo if the animals are treated like this? And no it's not something Chinese people should be despised for, it's something this retarded group should be hated for. I hope they get what they justly deserve. Motherfuckers. (Sorry for the language folks)
 
They tore that thing up.

I couldn't give a blue rip for animal rights (they don't have any), but that was still pretty brutal.
 
The Lamp said:
You're crazy if you think that we can feed America without mass producing animals like cows solely for food.
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Wow you just make shit up and tell it like it's some kind of general truth.

From: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/660S.long

The use of land and energy resources devoted to an average meat-based diet compared with a lactoovovegetarian (plant-based) diet is analyzed in this report. In both diets, the daily quantity of calories consumed are kept constant at about 3533 kcal per person. The meat-based food system requires more energy, land, and water resources than the lactoovovegetarian diet. In this limited sense, the lactoovovegetarian diet is more sustainable than the average American meat-based diet.
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People like you are so much a part of the problem, it's not even funny.
 
Poor little fella. :( I was hoping the OP didn't watch the whole thing, and that at the end, the other monkeys ripped their faces off. Fucking bunch of pussies. I hope someone somewhere gives them what is coming to them.
 
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