Good thread so far imo. Just adding my worthless opinion to whats been somewhat discussed so far...
- "Insiders" left before October 2017. Whether that was people officially associated with companies or people posting anonymously. Can't blame them. Companies didn't want to be associated with this toxic community. And people didn't want to be dog piled or worse for saying something "we" didn't like. Gaf had some truly shitty people. Wiling to attempt destroying someones life with fucked up justification.
- We had a good number of bullshitters here as well. Lots of people pretending (IMO) to be members of oppressed groups. Constantly punching their keyboards about "PRIVILEGE" and "POWER" when in reality everyone in Gaf was in the privileged class. If you have access to Video Games, home Internet and Computer access, Smart Phones, 3 Hots and a Cot... then you are incredibly privileged. You are easily in the top 10% of all privileged people in the world. Most of the world doesn't have access to all of those things. Could you have said that on Old Gaf, NO! Why? (next point)
- Where Gaf really fucked up (Again IMO) is giving certain groups ultimate protection from criticism, allowing those groups to determine what was offensive and rule breaking based on how they felt (remember "shut up and listen"? more on that below). And then giving them the freedom to attack certain groups. Unfair fight where one person was allowed to throw punches and it was an unwritten rule for the other to do the same.Shut up and listen and discussion board don't go together. It started the beginning of the end.
- It started the transition from a "discussion" board to a "statement" board. But we kept up the illusion that we were a discussion board. We did so through fucked up justifications like changing the definition of racism for example. Or calling opposition childish insults that had a ton of venom behind it. We went from a site that welcomed all, that said we didn't tolerate hate to a site that allowed certain groups to preach their hate because they got it rough in life.
- The numbers for the ultra left grew in Gaf. Slowly started to push out people who didn't see it their way. They had some Mods who sided with that narrative. Also started to push it. And before we knew it, the site was held hostage by this group. And then the rest of the site had to tip toe around them... even the non comprised Mods. Because we all knew they would throw a hissy fit and tear up the site. And we were all still feeling sorry for the OMG oppressed groups here too. Shit hit the fan like it was inevitably going to.
- I look at Gaf like this : We threw a party. Everyone came and got shit faced. Tore up the house and yard. Got noise complaints. All the party folk left. We are left to clean up the mess. And clean up we will. It will be better than before we threw the first party. Hopefully we learn the lessons so we have a better second party.
- Is the NeoGaf name holding us back? I don't think so personally. I do realize that there are people who still think NeoGaf is what it once was. Even people who are aware of Oct 2017. But I say that is only like 10% of the issue.
- Discussion boards are a niche thing. Sure plenty are "looking" for one and they'd love to be a member and share their comments. But they aren't interested in hearing the opposition. So they are really looking for statement boards... agreement boards. Boards that will allow them to say their opinion and weed out anyone who disagrees.
- I said this once months ago, but big thanks to
@EviLore for keeping this site going. I wouldn't have done that if I were you. I would have sold the site when you were offered millions for it. I know you take the bulk of the hate and insults towards the site.
- Thank you staff for all your tireless thankless work you do so we can talk about RDR2 Horse Balls and argue resolution importance. I do not envy your job or title here, but I am thankful for your work.
- Thank you to all Neogaf posters here. Yes even you reading this right now. We may agree and disagree and like or dislike certain topics, but you are a huge part of why this site rocks! I appreciate you even when I think you say something dumb as dog shit.
- Off Topic, I may lose Bryce Harper if he doesn't resign. But we have Juan Soto!