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When movie critics are wrong.

EverydayBeast

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xandaca

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Just remembered another movie I am very fond of which critics savaged and got absolutely nowhere at the box office.



Very entertaining movie in the 90s lads-mag, Britpop spirit, starring Robert Carlyle and Jonny Lee Miller (post-Trainspotting) and Liv Tyler at her most gorgeous and doing a surprisingly presentable English accent. It looks great - British genre cinema tends to look very cheap and TV-like, but this bucks the trend by looking more expensive than it actually is thanks to the excellent cinematography - the score by Craig Armstrong is incredible and gleefully anachronistic, and while it's not exactly the most substantial or subtle movie by any stretch of the imagination, not to mention tonally inconsistent and with a weak ending, it is surprisingly evocative at times and an endearingly trashy spin on the period drama. To paraphrase a quote from the trailer, it looks fabulous and is a bloody good laugh.

Fun fact: The movie is directed by Jake Scott, Ridley's son, and written by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade, who would go on to write almost all of the Bond films from The World Is Not Enough onwards (this, I'd argue even as a massive Bond fan, is their best script).

The two best tracks from Craig Armstrong's score:



 

teezzy

Banned
Man, whatever happened to Tom green? He was a star one day and then...he just banished

He got a reboot of his MTV Show before ultimately starting up the first online live talk show literally in his living room. Dude was a pioneer. This was before Joe Rogan started even.



Then he got trolled to death. Yknow old school internet stuff.

Made a funny rap album. Started doing stand-up (i saw him live twice). Made some random music...






Now he has a Youtube channel where he just travels around in a van with his dog, feeding hummingbirds, exploring nature, cooking pizza, visiting his parents, etc. It's neat




Good for him in all honesty. Seems very happy and at peace.

People like to mock Tom Green but he predated Jackass, YouTube, Eric Andre, etc. Guy was ahead of his time and had a surreal sense of humor



I don't see Freddy Got Fingered as some weird trolling effort like everyone else seems to. I hate that RLM take. Dude liked to subvert expectations and always tried new things. He was punk rock in a way most never understood. Super creative dude who blew up and even had a relationship with Drew Barrymore



Tom rules
 
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Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
this is actually chill?

My stance on comic book movies is they all suck except for the first 2 Nolan Batmans, Alita Battle Angel, and both 300 movies. Not sure how much my enjoyment of Alita was derived from low expectations though.
 

LimanimaPT

Member
I think most of the movies nowadays are complete trash and that includes marvel movies.
When I think about movies from the 70s and 80s, a few great titles come to mind and I don't even have to make an effort.

The Godfather
Alien
Deer hunter
Blade Runner
All Stanley Kubrick films
The mission
Once upon a time in the west and america
Poltergeist
Jaws
ET
The Exorcist

Those are all great movies that should rate miles away from 99% of the movies made today.
And I could go on listing movies all day long.
Hollywood isn't the same anymore...
 
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mekes

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The most notable one I can think of was a very long time ago. Home Alone is obviously a fantastic movie and a great success. It was panned by quite a few critics in the UK on release.
 

natjjohn

Member
I think most of the movies nowadays are complete trash and that includes marvel movies.
When I think about movies from the 70s and 80s, a few great titles come to mind and I don't even have to make an effort.

The Godfather
Alien
Deer hunter
Blade Runner
All Stanley Kubrick films
The mission
Once upon a time in the west and america
Poltergeist
Jaws
ET
The Exorcist

Those are all great movies that should rate miles away from 99% of the movies made today.
And I could go on listing movies all day long.
Hollywood isn't the same anymore...

70s and 80s era has a ton of trash movies, you probably just aren’t going back and watching those.

Lots of great movies since then and still today.
 

Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
It was boring pretentious crap that made no sense whatsoever. The beginning was atmospheric and interesting but it soon the movie became nonsense.
It was exploring an idea, not trying to create a self consistent fantasy mechanic. It was more like a live action cartoon and was entirely unpretentious.
 

Konnor

Member
It was exploring an idea, not trying to create a self consistent fantasy mechanic. It was more like a live action cartoon and was entirely unpretentious.

The only point of the movie was the writer's dumb allegory with no regard for consistency, logic or, you know, making the movie interesting; and yes movies like that are always pretentious if you ask me. You could also see the plot twist from a mile away given the subject matter.
 
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Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
The only point of the movie was the writer's dumb allegory with no regard for consistency, logic or, you know, making the movie interesting; and yes movies like that are always pretentious if you ask me. You could also see the plot twist from a mile away given the subject matter.
Allegory to what?
Actually, don't tell me what you think the allegory was. I don't care about allegories. I watched the movie and enjoyed the narrative it conveyed. If there was supposed to be some secret ghost meaning I didn't look for it, don't care about it, am not interested in it and don't want to know what it was or what anyone has interpreted it to be.

The idea of splitting souls and using them to control people is interesting. The idea that it wouldn't work is interesting. The idea that if you made copies of people by splitting their soul, that the copy would be flawed is interesting. The idea that a person and their copy would be supernaturally bonded and forced to have equivalent experiences is interesting. Us explored that, and it was a fun exploration.

I think maybe you're trying to pile baggage onto it that is unrelated to what it actually is.
 

intbal

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Critics didn't like it. I loved it. (So did most non-critics)
I've been waiting fifteen years for a good blu-ray of this. Finally comes out May 10th.
 

natjjohn

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Critics didn't like it. I loved it. (So did most non-critics)
I've been waiting fifteen years for a good blu-ray of this. Finally comes out May 10th.

Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas never for a second look like anything other than thoroughly unhappy movie stars stuck in a humid climate and a doomed production.
 

pauljeremiah

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I'll defend Ghost in the Shell until the day I die. Amazing visuals, great soundtrack, Scarlett Johansson, script is okay but it's the atmosphere that gets me every time.

Grossly underrated.

I think the biggest issue with GITS is the script. It tried to blend the original film and both seasons of Stand Alone Complex into one film. If the script was just more focused it could have been great. I would have preferred if they adapted one of the Stand Alone Complex novels by Junichi Fujisaku like The Lost Memory or Revenge Of The Cold Machine.
 

Zeroing

Banned
V from vendetta is over rated, overly emotional with some characters having absurd reactions that nobody in the real world would had! and the film looks very mediocre most of the time. What saved that movie was the matrix hype and Hugo and Natalie performances!
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I must be in the minority, here's some movies I thought were terrible.

LA Confidential. Boring as hell
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Indy Crystal Skull. Laughably bad. Harrison Ford clearly over the hill and can barely act by this point.
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Star Trek IV. Never really liked ST to begin with, but thought Star Trek II with Ricardo M was great. Even as a kid I liked it. But #4 was awful. Futuristic whales or some shit, modern day setting, tons of jokes. Saw it in the theatres with brothers. Even my bro who loves ST thought it was corny. Still got good ratings.
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Boyhood. If you want the strongest sleep inducing medicine not in pill form, watch this borefest. I don't know if the channel still exists, but there used to be this House of Commons TV channel showing politicians talking at Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the camera never moved. Back then all the good cable TV channels went up to about 30 (MuchMusic was 29 and TSN was 30), but this channel was all the way out there like channel 51. If I had a choice, I watch that TV channel.
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thefool

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I have a hard time discerning the concept of wrong applied to film criticism, but there has been cases where the social consensus has shifted tremendously with years. Vertigo is a clear case of that, Hitchcock was the most popular filmmaker at the time and the film reception was lukewarm, both by audiences and critics. Today is widely considered one of the greatest films of all time.
 

Shubh_C63

Member
Yeah an adult with a job, responsibilities, and not enough time to watch hundreds of movies of unknown quality. That said you shouldn't be taking a critics word as gospel, but even a negative review can tell you that you will like the movie if you understand the reviews context.
Frankly I just see the directors name, Writers name, and few mins of the trailer.
It is enough to know if the movie is worth watching and almost 90% of the time I have not been wrong.

I can't apologize to this movie enough. Even I trashed it back in 2013.
Watching it again few years back and holy shit the action-music sequences were out of this world.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I watched The Batman last night and I don't know what to say.
Robert Pattinson was fine and so was Jeffrey Wright.
All the other characters was just bad and mediocre and did not represent the characters they was supposed to be well, they're probably the worse versions of those characters and that's including versions from the Adam West TV Show
The few Action sequences was good but everything else was boring and the film was way too long and seemed even longer.
I thought this was supposed to be TDK meets Se7en which are both long films too but don't feel like it.
but it's not even close being good as just one of them.

I had HMV's 4K Deluxe Steelbook Edition pre-ordered but I just cancelled it.
I doubt I ever watch it again.
 
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Davey Cakes

Member
I also didn't like The Batman as much as everyone else, but that's not really an issue with critics. It's hard to find anybody who wouldn't give that movie at least a 9/10. I wasn't as enamored with it as I wanted to be, unfortunately. Perhaps my opinion will change on a rewatch years down the road.

The critics were definitely right about Batman vs. Superman though. What a steaming pile.
 
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