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[Agent Dormer]

That the 17" or 20" model?

God, I wish I were rich.

20''.

 

[Laurent]

Is there a Windows 2000 64-Bit Edition? Is there a 64-Bit x86 flavor of Linux?

And I don't hate PC... I just hate Windows! I'm looking for alternatives... like Lindows, or whatever the hell it will be called...

 

[JackFrost2012]

I think having to program for pre-OS X macs in college has prejudiced me against them forever. Between System 7.1 and X were a lot of dire, dire years.

 

[Shogmaster]

Is there a Windows 2000 64-Bit Edition? Is there a 64-Bit x86 flavor of Linux?

And I don't hate PC... I just hate Windows! I'm looking for alternatives... like Lindows, or whatever the hell it will be called...

There are betas of XP 64 available (one for AMD and one for Intel). Linux has had 64bit version for a while too.

No 64 bit version of OSX outside of Cupertino however.....

 

[Agent Dormer]

I think having to program for pre-OS X macs in college has prejudiced me against them forever. Between System 7.1 and X were a lot of dire, dire years.

Actually, I only got my first Mac before I started college (about a year and a half ago) and I'd say it has been the best computing purchase I've made. Then again I've never been big into PC games in the slightest except for some scary years in high school when I played Counter-Strike in a clan. So let go of the prejudice, AV!

 

[Dice]

A Mac fanboy calling a PC guy elitist? X_X

Actually, I am better than you, so I guess that's OK.

As I said earlier, I don't even own a Mac. But I have used them and I do appreciate their design and how they don't screw up like Windows constantly does and the way everything just works so nicely. I didn't even like Mac until OSX, and they have made some really nice improvments since it came out. Only more recently have they really fleshed out enough for me to want one. I'm not a fanboy by any means, but I can appreciate Macs and think they might satisfy where my PC does not.

You however... I said you were being elitist because this is a MAC THREAD and you have come in bashing them to no end and trying to push PC's. You know what kind of person goes into a thread made to discuss a product, bashes what is being appreicated all to hell and praises something else as vastly superior? An elitist fanboy. Of course you seem to take pride in it, but really you ought not to. I don't really see anyone here interested in comparing them and coming to an objective conclusion as to which is superior, you'll only find people defending Macs because you keep making them out to be flashy junk.

I really don't understand your deal. It's a lot of effort and only ends up irritating people. Why be that guy? You don't want to be that guy.

 

[Shogmaster]

As I said earlier, I don't even own a mac. But I have used them and I do appreciate their design and how they don't screw up like Windows constantly does and the way everything just works so nicely. I didn't even like Mac until OSX, and they have made some really nice improvments since it came out. Only more recently have they really fleshed out enough for me to want one. I'm not a fanboy by any means, but I can appreciate macs and think they might satisfy where my PC does not.

You however, I said you were being elitist because this is a MAC THREAD and you have come in bashing them to no end and trying to push PC's. You know what kind of person goes into a thread made to discuss a product, bashes what is being appreicated all to hell and praises something else as vastly superior? An elitist fanboy. Of course you seem to take pride in it, but really you ought not to. I don't really see anyone here interested in comparing them and coming to an objective conclusion as to which is superior, you'll only find people defending Macs because you keep making them out to be flashy junk.

I really don't understand you deal. It's a lot of effort and only ends up irritating people. Why be that guy? You don't want to be that guy.

Hey, I'm not the only guy bashing the new iMac, why pick on me?
Oh yeah, it's because I'm doing the best job.

BTW, I'm GA's resident Mac basher, so I have to do this. It's in my job description. Really!

 

[Dice]

Not the best job, just the biggest one. Other people have made their passing bitter comments, but you are the one who has gone out of their way.

BTW, I'm GA's resident Mac basher, so I have to do this. It's in my job description. Really!

Dude, haters are lame. Don't be that guy.

I'm done, as I said I'm not interested in debating, I just don't understand why someone would bash on Macs so much.

 

[Shogmaster]

Not the best job, just the biggest one. Other people have made their passing bitter comments, but you are the one who has gone out of their way.

Like I said, it's my job here and I take my job seriously! What are you trying to do, get me fired in this economy?

Dude, haters are lame. Don't be that guy.

Hater haters are lame. Don't be THAT guy.

I'm done, as I said I'm not interested in debating, I just don't understand why someone would bash on Macs so much.

Debating? That's been over for while man. I won. And why bash on Macs so much? Because Mac fans make it so damn fun. I love my job.

 

[Agent Dormer]

Debating? That's been over for while man. I won.

I'm sorry, you were asking for that one.

 

[dem]

Mac thread + Shog = A great day

 

[Laurent]

Will this thread get locked?

Faites vos jeux... Rien ne va plus...

 

[Shogmaster]

I'm sorry, you were asking for that one.

It makes a thread that much more "special". LOL

[Mac thread + Shog = A great day

Alas, the fun is pretty much over now. I wonder when the next Mac hardware announcment is? Come on~~ G5 Powerbook!

 

[xsarien]

Like I said, it's my job here and I take my job seriously! What are you trying to do, get me fired in this economy?

We're just trying to be nice about saying that right now, you're trying too hard. The iMac was never, ever a performance-based line. It, like the iBook, is designed for those who want an Apple, but are on a budget.

And yes, I know that's like saying "I want a BMW, but I'm not looking to spend a fortune."

Understand that not everyone buys a computer for its guts, but for what it will enable them to do. For some people, like your graphic design buddies, the Mac is the better, overall solution. For you it's (obviously) different. Live and let live, why is it so critical to you if other people like and appreciate Macs?

 

[Agent Dormer]

Alas, the fun is pretty much over now. I wonder when the next Mac hardware announcment is? Come on~~ G5 Powerbook!

I'm really thinking late 2005, or early 2006. Sorry. :|

 

[Shogmaster]

I'm really thinking late 2005, or early 2006. Sorry. :|

Yeah... looking at the new iMac, I don't think the G5 Powerbook is close at all.....

 

[crumbs]

The articulating arm iMac was more interesting than this, but Time magazine will still go nuts over it.

 

[Dice]

Like I said, it's my job here and I take my job seriously! What are you trying to do, get me fired in this economy?

Debating? That's been over for while man. I won.

How can you "win" if no one got into a competition with you? No one here has even tried to bring up all the qualities of the Mac and why a person would think it is better.

Hater haters are lame. Don't be THAT guy.

 

[Shogmaster]

Uh oh... I think Dice's true colors are showing. He seems genuinely miffed about my Mac bashing. I think he's a Mac user despite his neutrality claim.

 

[SteveMeister]

It's a really nice design, but they crippled it with a crappy GeForce FX5200. They should have put at least a Radeon 9600 in there, in the 20" model if not the 17". I'd seriously consider getting a 20" model to replace my 1.6GHz G5 PowerMac if not for the damned graphics card.

 

[Shogmaster]

It's a really nice design, but they crippled it with a crappy GeForce FX5200. They should have put at least a Radeon 9600 in there, in the 20" model if not the 17". I'd seriously consider getting a 20" model to replace my 1.6GHz G5 PowerMac if not for the damned graphics card.

Forget the video card, what the hell's up with the FSB being only 600Mhz?!? To me this is more evidence that the dual procs of the PowerMacs are just unnecessary marketing gimmick for the most part since Apple felt that there was a need to further distance the performance of the iMac with the PowerMac than the SMP by itself.

 

[FortNinety]

Even though it's pretty expensive, it's actually not that bad. When you consider the 20 inch iMac costs $1,900 and the same size Apple Cinema Display is $1.300, you're getting a G5 system for just $600 which is a fairly decent deal. Plus anyone who's used Apple's Cinema Displays can attest to how awesome they are (they easily blow away every other LCD monitor on the market and are actually worth the high cost).

But once again, Apple had a chance to really grab a good share of the mid range market and once again, sorta dropped the ball (it's nice looking, but it's still pretty expensive, and much cheaper computers are still faster is most people's eyes). At least they have the portable mp3 market cornered...

 

[Agent Dormer]

Plus anyone who's used Apple's Cinema Displays can attest to how awesome they are (they easily blow away every other LCD monitor on the market and are actually worth the high cost).

Agreed.

 

[Shogmaster]

Apple's displays (including the new ones) are not any more special than the ones sold by the OEMS that make it for them. Just cost more.

 

[Laurent]

Apple's displays (including the new ones) are not any more special than the ones sold by the OEMS that make it for them. Just cost more.

And Safari sucks. It's a cheaper version of Konqueror with a brushed-metal look and a Google search toolbar built in, that they stole from somewhere else... iChat sucks; a pale copy of AIM. The new Finder sucks; once again, they just added the brushed-metal look. iTunes sucks; Real's Harmony is much better and cheaper. Apple sucks.

 

[SteveMeister]

And Safari sucks. It's a cheaper version of Konqueror with a brushed-metal look and a Google search toolbar built in, that they stole from somewhere else... iChat sucks; a pale copy of AIM. The new Finder sucks; once again, they just added the brushed-metal look. iTunes sucks; Real's Harmony is much better and cheaper. Apple sucks.

This is by far the most informed post I've read so far in this thread. Bravo.


edit: oh wait, no it's not.

 

[Shogmaster]

And Safari sucks. It's a cheaper version of Konqueror with a brushed-metal look and a Google search toolbar built in, that they stole from somewhere else... iChat sucks; a pale copy of AIM. The new Finder sucks; once again, they just added the brushed-metal look. iTunes sucks; Real's Harmony is much better and cheaper. Apple sucks.

Hey, I never said Apple "sucks", but if you say so.

 

[Slurpy]

That looks fucking awesome.

I'm a sucker for apple design.

 

[Mustang]

JUST WAIT FOR LONGHORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, I'm not the only guy bashing the new iMac, why pick on me?

You just troll the best Shog.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Somewhat off-topic, but does the indexing "feature" in XP actually work? i've searched the database for things i know i have on my computer, and i'm pretty sure were indexed, but it doesn't find them. If Jaguar was available for PCs, the search feature alone would be one of the biggest draws for me.

 

[capslock]

Somewhat off-topic, but does the indexing "feature" in XP actually work? i've searched the database for things i know i have on my computer, and i'm pretty sure were indexed, but it doesn't find them. If Jaguar was available for PCs, the search feature alone would be one of the biggest draws for me.

Indexing is a feature of NTFS, not of just the XP OS (which sucks compared to Win 2k btw), it's basically an indexing of the files of a harddrive for faster searching, it affects harddrive performance however, I always keep it unchecked....not that I would install NTFS in the first place unless I had to, because of the massive performance hit.

 

[demon]

Indexing is a feature of NTFS, not of just the XP OS (which sucks compared to Win 2k btw), it's basically an indexing of the files of a harddrive for faster searching, it affects harddrive performance however, I always keep it unchecked....not that I would install NTFS in the first place unless I had to, because of the massive performance hit.

How do you make sure it's unchecked?

 

[aoi tsuki]

How do you make sure it's unchecked?

Right click on a drive and on the General tab, make sure "Index this drive..." is unchecked.

 

[3phemeral]

As I said earlier, I don't even own a Mac. But I have used them and I do appreciate their design and how they don't screw up like Windows constantly does and the way everything just works so nicely.

I don't own a Mac myself, but my friends do. They're all huge Pro-mac people and I get hated on it all the time for it -- but I'm the only one of the group that gets to constantly laugh at them because the new G5 they bought 3 months already died. The labs in the Computer Animation Department all use Macs and they crash on a consistent basis. Sometimes I wonder about all the claims people make about Macs being superior PCs. Since I've used Win2000 and XP I haven't had a random crash like I used to get with 98.

Gotta love the Mac designs, though.

 

[maharg]

Ugh. Integrated computers that aren't portable are the absolute worst idea in the history of computing. Basically just a way to force you to buy new monitors every time you undertake a serious upgrade. Gouge gouge gouge.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Ugh. Integrated computers that aren't portable are the absolute worst idea in the history of computing. Basically just a way to force you to buy new monitors every time you undertake a serious upgrade. Gouge gouge gouge.

They're good for a major segment of Apple's market -- those who lean towards lifestyle computers that look good and perform well. i know of a few people who bought the "lamppost" iMac a while back and they're happy with them. They perform well for their needs, and when they need a more updated computer, they'll just sell the old one and buy another, or put the old on in the bedroom.

 

[Laurent]

They're good for a major segment of Apple's market -- those who lean towards lifestyle computers that look good and perform well. i know of a few people who bought the "lamppost" iMac a while back and they're happy with them. They perform well for their needs, and when they need a more updated computer, they'll just sell the old one and buy another, or put the old on in the bedroom.

I still have my Power Mac Cube G4 and it's 4 years old! Maybe it's time to change, but Panther really boost my computer's performance, thanks to my huge amount of RAM...

 

[SteveMeister]

Just noticed the 20" model represents a pretty substantial savings over the old 20" iMac.

The old 20" iMac was $2199, and included a 1.25GHz G4 and 80GB hard disk.

The new 20" iMac is $1899, and includes a 1.8GHz G5 and 160GB hard disk.

 

[seismologist]

That's pretty sweet. I want one of those

 

[rastex]

Oh damn, those iMacs look VERY VERY sexy.

And for a university student that deals with Unix all day and doesn't want to deal with the hassles of Linux, OSX is a Godsend. I still hate their dev environment though.

 

[element]

that is sweet looking

 

[shantyman]

Hey, I never said Apple "sucks", but if you say so.

Hey Shog, this is Bryan from Cincinnati, remember me?

Come one, you were one of the biggest Sega fanboys back in the day? Why hate Apple people for being passionate about what they like? 6 years ago I should have told you how PS2 would crush Dural and/or Katana and/or Dreamcast just to get a reaction out of you.

 

[DaCocoBrova]

IBM did this years ago w/ their NetVista line.

Indexing is a feature of NTFS, not of just the XP OS (which sucks compared to Win 2k btw),

Elaborate please. Especially since XP is Windows 2000+ really. Same kernel IIRC.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Replace Apple with Sony, and a few people would be in time-out by now. Not naming names, but thanks for ruining a decent thread.

 

[gunstarhero]

Surprised they didn't go with the "titanium" look - not loving the white.

 

[SickBoy]

They're good for a major segment of Apple's market -- those who lean towards lifestyle computers that look good and perform well. i know of a few people who bought the "lamppost" iMac a while back and they're happy with them. They perform well for their needs, and when they need a more updated computer, they'll just sell the old one and buy another, or put the old on in the bedroom.

Actually, that's one of the good things about Apple machines -- they do seem to retain their value a fair bit better than a PC...

-SB

 

[Jill Sandwich]

Just ordered my 20"

 

[FortNinety]

Actually, that's one of the good things about Apple machines -- they do seem to retain their value a fair bit better than a PC...

-SB

Also, Macs simply last longer than most PCs. The added costs does go to better materials (for the most part... I still have issue with my eMac's shiity CRT screen).

Course, anything will last longer if it doesn't have a billion viruses designed for it.

 

[The Faceless Master]

How customizable is a unit like that?

that's what i thought...

 

[FortNinety]

Surprised they didn't go with the "titanium" look - not loving the white.

Actually, I rather sick of the titanium look. Especially with the OS.