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[Shogmaster]

Screen size, oddly enough, matters to a lot of people.

You can get 17" LCDs on laptops you know. With better resolution than the G5 iMac 17" BTW.

As does ease of use, which is something Apple has had perfected for years now.

And we still type in DOS commands in the PC side.

Most apps require 2000 or XP at this point, or in the case of the Mac, OS X.

I believe last gen iMacs run OSX just fine. Since you've admited that the iMac isn't for anything other than light use, why bother with an inferior new design just for the G5 processor? Oh that's right.... Showing off to your gullible friends.....

"Waste" is a matter of perception. If I had the money to buy new Adobe licenses, I'd ditch the PC as my work platform in a heartbeat.

For what possible reason? Slower performance? Or are you one of those bright people that use the OS instead of the applications?

 

[xsarien]

You can get 17" LCDs on laptops you know. With better resolution than the G5 iMac 17" BTW.

Show me 20".

And we still type in DOS commands in the PC side.

Nope, but head-to-head, X wins the usability contest.

I believe last gen iMacs run OSX just fine. Since you've admited that the iMac isn't for anything other than light use, why bother with an inferior new design just for the G5 processor? Oh that's right.... Showing off to your gullible friends.....

Because you can't buy an "old" iMac anymore, at least not easily, barring any refurbished units Apple makes available. It's Apple's new product cycle, and this is their new generation, casual use machine. For those looking for an Apple, but don't need that much computer.

For what possible reason? Slower performance? Or are you one of those bright people that use the OS instead of the applications?

Personally, I wouldn't get an iMac, I'd go for a G5 tower. Dual 2.0 or 2.5 packed with the maximum allowable memory, just for the longevity. As for specific reasons? As stable as XP is, OSX is more stable. I've never had issues with it as far as performance goes.

As far as I'm concerned, PCs are only really necessary if you want plenty of games to choose from, but as far as a work computer goes, a Mac would suit me just fine. I don't expect you to agree with that, which is fine. It's my opinion.

 

[thom]

I wouldn't exactly say this G5 is merely for "light" usage.

Then again all I'm going to use it for is the Adobe Suite, Microsoft Office and shooting/

editing odd little movies.

 

[Shogmaster]

Show me 20".

Why bother at that point? If you are gettig a 20" LCD, portability is out the window. Look at the 20" iMac. It's huge and heavy. Might as well get a tower and a 20" LCD seperately.

Nope, but head-to-head, X wins the usability contest.

Usability? Please. I find Win2K more usable than XP, so your definition of "more usable" will probably make me barf.

Because you can't buy an "old" iMac anymore, at least not easily, barring any refurbished units Apple makes available. It's Apple's new product cycle, and this is their new generation, casual use machine. For those looking for an Apple, but don't need that much computer.

But the sad thing is, this new iMac is meant for last gen iMac folks to trade up from. And many will do just that! LOL.

Personally, I wouldn't get an iMac, I'd go for a G5 tower. Dual 2.0 or 2.5 packed with the maximum allowable memory, just for the longevity.

Opteron is faster than G5 for Photoshop. If you want the fastest, go with PC.

A64 single proc Photoshop beast can be built for fraction of the price of an equivilent single proc G5 PM. If you want a better bang for the buck, go with PC.

There are far more graphic apps available for the PC than Macs. If you want more software compatability, go with a PC.

If you favor logic, you go with PC. If you like to play with gussied up OS and hardware and pay more for less, you go with Macs.

As for specific reasons? As stable as XP is, OSX is more stable. I've never had issues with it as far as performance goes.

Win2K is more stable than either. If you are making a workstation, Win2K is much better choice than XP. It stays out of the way better than either XP or OSX.

As far as I'm concerned, PCs are only really necessary if you want plenty of games to choose from, but as far as a work computer goes, a Mac would suit me just fine. I don't expect you to agree with that, which is fine. It's my opinion.

Notice your choice of words: "suits me fine". It's like saying, It's not the best choice, but good enough for me. You guys sure make alot of consessions just to look hip....

 

[God's Hand]

Plus anyone who's used Apple's Cinema Displays can attest to how awesome they are (they easily blow away every other LCD monitor on the market and are actually worth the high cost).

The HP L2335 uses the same (yes, the exact same) display panel as the new Mac displays, except (shock!) it's cheaper and has more features. It's 23". The display can be rotated to portrait mode, which is a must for graphic designers (something the Mac display does not do). The display also has component (yes, component), composite, and s-video inputs, so you can get progressive gaming or DVDs without any hassles.

CHALLENGE ME, I DARE YOU TO CHALLENGE ME. TRY AND TELL ME NOW THAT "APPLE'S CINEMA DISPLAY BLOWS AWAY EVERY OTHER LCD ON THE MARKET AND ARE ACTUALLY WORTH THE HIGH COST". YOU SURE ARE MR. FUCKING LCD MARKET SPECIALIST, WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHHY THE APPLE DISPLAY IS BETTER. CHALLENGE ME NOW GOD DAMMIT.

I really hate you.

 

[Baconäger]

Does the HP screen have firewire and USB 2 ports on the back?

 

[xsarien]

Usability? Please. I find Win2K more usable than XP, so your definition of "more usable" will probably make me barf.

Win2K is more stable than either. If you are making a workstation, Win2K is much better choice than XP. It stays out of the way better than either XP or OSX.

My "definition" of usable is an operating system that doesn't get in my way, something that doesn't require so much intervention on my part to get something to work correctly. I know how to fix something, I know how to get something to work right, but the fact of the matter is that a properly designed operating system shouldn't need me to make those tweaks. And not to drag something else into this, but it's for those reasons that I bought an iPod over an iRiver. I didn't want to drag files and folders to it, I wanted to look at my playilists, my lists of songs, and have the computer know how to put it on the thing for me.

Also, something that isn't the target of damned near every 13-year-old with a virus toolkit. Windows is vulnerable beyond reproach, especially since it's so popular. My 2000 workstation at work was infected by some bitch of a spyware two weeks ago because of something that came through Outlook. Would I prefer to use something else for mail? God yes, but the IT department is entrenched in Microsoft. So I deal with it, and make sure not to check any personal information (e.g., bank statements) at work.

But the sad thing is, this new iMac is meant for last gen iMac folks to trade up from. And many will do just that! LOL.

Die hard fans do this all the time. The gaming forum is filled to the brim who buy new video cards whenever a new chipset is released, it's hardly exclusive to people who worship Apple.

Opteron is faster than G5 for Photoshop. If you want the fastest, go with PC.

I'll wait for the benchmarks when Tiger's released. It's a 64-bit OS to go along with the G5.

A64 single proc Photoshop beast can be built for fraction of the price of an equivilent single proc G5 PM. If you want a better bang for the buck, go with PC.

Build, build, build. You always bring that up. Not everybody builds their computers. I do, probably plenty of other people around here do too. Most people don't, so you can't really use a DIY setup as a logical metric.

There are far more graphic apps available for the PC than Macs. If you want more software compatability, go with a PC.

Photoshop? Check; Illustrator? Check. Flash? Check; Dreamweaver? Check.
etc., etc., etc.

Notice your choice of words: "suits me fine". It's like saying, It's not the best choice, but good enough for me. You guys sure make alot of consessions just to look hip....

It's not a concession at all, it's my penchant for understatement. There's nothing on the PC that I can't do on a Mac. And that's not a royal "I", I'm talking about me. Likewise, you need to consider that when you're speaking for yourself, you're also not speaking for others. If you need a PC to get your shit done, awesome. I don't *need* a PC to get my stuff done, I use the platform because there's about $1000 worth of software I'd need to buy to switch, and Adobe's a fucking bitch about cross-platform upgrades.

 

[Shogmaster]

Does the HP screen have firewire and USB 2 ports on the back?

No. Instead it has totally useless features for a display like tilt and swivel.

Without the built in $40 USB2.0/Firewire hub, it has utterly failed as an LCD monitor...... For shame HP, for shame.......

 

[xsarien]

No. Instead it has totally useless features for a display like tilt and swivel.

Without the built in $40 USB2.0/Firewire hub, it has utterly failed as an LCD monitor...... For shame HP, for shame.......

Both features are equally useless.

 

[Pochacco]

No. Instead it has totally useless features for a display like tilt and swivel.

Without the built in $40 USB2.0/Firewire hub, it has utterly failed as an LCD monitor...... For shame HP, for shame.......

He was just asking..

 

[Spectral Glider]

Well, you could take into consideration the fact that Apple were doing the "integrate into monitor" LONG before anybody else

Apple's innovation in this area was real enough, however you'd have to go back to 1984 & earlier

I see your Mac and raise you one SX64:

http://www.aceadvanced.org/computers/commodore/sx64.htm

 

[Shogmaster]

My "definition" of usable is an operating system that doesn't get in my way, something that doesn't require so much intervention on my part to get something to work correctly. I know how to fix something, I know how to get something to work right, but the fact of the matter is that a properly designed operating system shouldn't need me to make those tweaks.

Sounds like Win2K to me.

And not to drag something else into this, but it's for those reasons that I bought an iPod over an iRiver. I didn't want to drag files and folders to it, I wanted to look at my playilists, my lists of songs, and have the computer know how to put it on the thing for me.

You want the computer to chew the food for you huh? No wonder you can't taste anything.

Also, something that isn't the target of damned near every 13-year-old with a virus toolkit. Windows is vulnerable beyond reproach, especially since it's so popular. My 2000 workstation at work was infected by some bitch of a spyware two weeks ago because of something that came through Outlook. Would I prefer to use something else for mail? God yes, but the IT department is entrenched in Microsoft. So I deal with it, and make sure not to check any personal information (e.g., bank statements) at work.

Even my Mac friends don't surf on a computer they do work in. My Win2K workstation never gets into these trobles because I don't let it. That's for my XP ghettobox. The funny thing is, the Workstation + Ghettobox is still cheaper than one Powerrmac, and allows for infinitely more flexible work environment due to having 2 machines for seperate tasks.

Die hard fans do this all the time. The gaming forum is filled to the brim who buy new video cards whenever a new chipset is released, it's hardly exclusive to people who worship Apple.

I suppose that's true.

I'll wait for the benchmarks when Tiger's released. It's a 64-bit OS to go along with the G5.

And I guess AMD Opterons, A64s, and Athlon FXs and the Intel Noconas won't get any similar bump when Win64 is released?

Build, build, build. You always bring that up. Not everybody builds their computers. I do, probably plenty of other people around here do too. Most people don't, so you can't really use a DIY setup as a logical metric.

How's that my fault?

Photoshop? Check; Illustrator? Check. Flash? Check; Dreamweaver? Check.
etc., etc., etc.

More to the digital graphics world than those apps. For instance, most Hollywood concept design illustrators use PCs since Painter 6 don't work on OSX. There was a link at Wacom that showed all the apps that supported their pressure sensitivity and PC side had like 5 to 1 ratio advantage.

It's not a concession at all, it's my penchant for understatement. There's nothing on the PC that I can't do on a Mac. And that's not a royal "I", I'm talking about me. Likewise, you need to consider that when you're speaking for yourself, you're also not speaking for others. If you need a PC to get your shit done, awesome. I don't *need* a PC to get my stuff done, I use the platform because there's about $1000 worth of software I'd need to buy to switch, and Adobe's a fucking bitch about cross-platform upgrades.

It must be really late cause I really din't get the point of this bit.....

He was just asking..

And I was just sayin'......

 

[xsarien]

Even my Mac friends don't surf on a computer they do work in. My Win2K workstation never gets into these trobles because I don't let it. That's for my XP ghettobox. The funny thing is, the Workstation + Ghettobox is still cheaper than one Powerrmac, and allows for infinitely more flexible work environment due to having 2 machines for seperate tasks.

Tell me how checking my work e-mail at work is "surfing." My kingdom for the rolleyes icon. I know the problem came from something in Outlook precisely because I don't surf that much beyond GAF at work, and when I do it's sure as shit not with IE precisely because of its penchant for downloading stuff without telling me.

And I guess AMD Opterons, A64s, and Athlon FXs and the Intel Noconas won't get any similar bump when Win64 is released?

Tiger comes out in a few months, what's the timetable for a wide release of Windows 64? Is the average computer buyer ever going to see it, or have the hardware necessary for it?

How's that my fault?

Because it's skewing your perception of the argument. You make it seem as if anyone can build a computer, when it's really not the case.

More to the digital graphics world than those apps. For instance, most Hollywood concept design illustrators use PCs since Painter 6 don't work on OSX. There was a link at Wacom that showed all the apps that supported their pressure sensitivity and PC side had like 5 to 1 ratio advantage.

I do web development and design. The giant venn diagram that connects the two does have some shared applications, but my use for Painter is quite minimal. Hell, I'm more likely to use After Effects or a similar program before I even think about Painter.

 

[Shogmaster]

Tell me how checking my work e-mail at work is "surfing." My kingdom for the rolleyes icon. I know the problem came from something in Outlook precisely because I don't surf that much beyond GAF at work, and when I do it's sure as shit not with IE precisely because of its penchant for downloading stuff without telling me.

You got a virus from email? Yeesh! That's all on your IT department.

Tiger comes out in a few months, what's the timetable for a wide release of Windows 64?

I think early next year. Probably few months of eachother, but realsitically, it will take anothe year for both sides to get apps writeen to take advantage of it. At least you can play with Win64 betas now, but without applications to support it, it's just a big jerk off session.

Because it's skewing your perception of the argument. You make it seem as if anyone can build a computer, when it's really not the case.

If I can, then everyone can.

I do web development and design. The giant venn diagram that connects the two does have some shared applications, but my use for Painter is quite minimal. Hell, I'm more likely to use After Effects or a similar program before I even think about Painter.

I'm talking about in general, not just in our individual cases.

 

[xsarien]

If I can, then everyone can.

You flatter everyone who can't understand the concept of a heat sink.

 

[Shogmaster]

You flatter everyone who can't understand the concept of a heat sink.

I didn't say everyone knew automatically how to do this carp from birth. You do have to learn it like I did. But learning to was surprisingly easy when I first tried it. So many good resources on the web how to do this now days....

 

[xsarien]

I didn't say everyone knew automatically how to do this carp from birth. You do have to learn it like I did. But learning to was surprisingly easy when I first tried it. So many good resources on the web how to do this now days....

You really need to factor in the fact that the vast majority of people are flat-out intimidated by technology and would just prefer to have computers pre-built for them.

 

[Shogmaster]

You really need to factor in the fact that the vast majority of people are flat-out intimidated by technology and would just prefer to have computers pre-built for them.

Enjoyment from computing is like anything, directly related to how much you put into it. These people that don't even want to put in the effort just to look into the idea, I don't want to hear shit from.

 

[xsarien]

Enjoyment from computing is like anything, directly related to how much you put into it. These people that don't even want to put in the effort just to look into the idea, I don't want to hear shit from.

Now you're just being elitist.

 

[thom]

I didn't say everyone knew automatically how to do this carp from birth. You do have to learn it like I did. But learning to was surprisingly easy when I first tried it. So many good resources on the web how to do this now days....

I personally could not care less about building a computer. My computer is no different an

art tool to me than my sketch pad (the exception being I can hunt and gather pornography

on my Mac).



As long as my computer (and my last two computers of choice have been Apple) allows

me to do what I want to artistically I'm happy.

 

[Shogmaster]

Now you're just being elitist.

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?!?

 

[xsarien]

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?!?

In that magical, bizarro land where I was hoping you'd see a more common perspective on this.

 

[Pochacco]

I'm a computing scientist and I've never built my PC from scratch - I've picked out the parts and have gotten other people to actually put the thing together, but assembling the parts myself? F*ck that. I have better things to do than risking messing something up.

These iMacs are really cool - I wouldn't mind having one.
Will I get one? Probably not. But I can see how they'd appeal to their target audience.

 

[Shogmaster]

In that magical, bizarro land where I was hoping you'd see a more common perspective on this.

Common perspective? Well shit, we are both spending hours arguing about this inane topic on an internet gaming messageboard..... That's not common enough for ya?

 

[xsarien]

Common perspective? Well shit, we are both spending hours arguing about this inane topic on an internet gaming messageboard..... That's not common enough for ya?

Only because I took the day off for a head cold.

 

[Shogmaster]

Only because I took the day off for a head cold.

And I think I caught the 24 hour flu.

 

[xsarien]

And I think I caught the 24 hour flu.

Dude, I have the container of soup and boxes of pills to prove it.

 

[thom]

Are you guys gonna make out now?

 

[Shogmaster]

Are you guys gonna make out now?

Are you nuts? He has a cold!

 

[Freestyler]

Well that was weird. You two go from attacking each other in a heated argument to getting married a couple of posts later.

Anyway, I guess the verdict's in; the new iMac is incredible.

 

[Shogmaster]

Well that was weird. You two go from attacking each other in a heated argument to getting married a couple of posts later.

Anyway, I guess the verdict's in; the new iMac is incredible.

G5 iMac slogan: "We turn heteros into homos."

 

[Fresh Prince]

This reminds me of when the 4G iPod came out.
Shog is doing a better job here than all the haters(which I was a part of) put together were in that thread.

Fly the Flag Shogmaster, for Mac haters and gay couples.

 

[Shogmaster]

This reminds me of when the 4G iPod came out.
Shog is doing a better job here than all the haters(which I was a part of) put together were in that thread.

Fly the Flag Shogmaster, for Mac haters and [gay couples.

Alright, this stupid tag of mine has to go. People getting the wrong idea....

 

[aaaaa0]

How the hell does one get an email virus in this day and age?

What with all the new versions of Outlook (and other email programs) blocking script execution and email attachments, and antivirus filters running on your mail server (if your company's IT department is any good).

Does someone send you mail that says "PLEEZE SAVE THIS ZIPEFILE TO YUR DESKTAP, OPAN IT AND THEN RUN TEH BOMB.EXE!!!!!11!1" or what?

I can't recall ever being sucessfully hit by an email virus, either at home, OR at work.

 

[Mustang]

How much did you pay for that Wacom Cintq panel/tablet Shog?

 

[xsarien]

How the hell does one get an email virus in this day and age?

Never underestimate the (in)ability and/or unwillingness of an IT department to upgrade and patch stuff in a timely manner. Although, I am thankful I'm using Win2k and not XP.

 

[Idle Will Kill]

Shogmaster, aka the king of "It isn't a viable option for me, so it sucks for everyone!!!!!"

I work with the TV station on my campus, and I'm eventually going to be creating my own shows. The station's editing room is exclusively Mac G4 towers. So I'll be able to shoot a video, edit some stuff in the editing rooms, and then when the building closes, I can just shoot my work over to my 15" Powerbook and finish up the editing at my apartment. Take it in the next day, load it back to the G4 tower, and I'm set.

Also, there's a such thing as people preferring OS X to Windows 2000 (or XP). Hey, I'm so happy for you that you like Windows 2000 better than OS X, but I like OS X better and I think it's worth the extra cash I had to pay for the hardware to get it.

There's dozens of other reasons I could list as to why I prefer my Mac to a PC, but in the end, Shogmaster has even already admitted he's a troll in here, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Diablos]

Holy shit! That much money for that machine :lol :lol

 

[Mustang]

Shit, I remember paying $40 for 1 MB of ram in 1993.

Now you can get 256 MB DDR 400 for that same price more or less.

Paid $275 for a 120 MB HD back then also.

That much will get you around 300 GB now.

 

[shantyman]

How the hell does one get an email virus in this day and age?

What with all the new versions of Outlook (and other email programs) blocking script execution and email attachments, and antivirus filters running on your mail server (if your company's IT department is any good).

Does someone send you mail that says "PLEEZE SAVE THIS ZIPEFILE TO YUR DESKTAP, OPAN IT AND THEN RUN TEH BOMB.EXE!!!!!11!1" or what?

I can't recall ever being sucessfully hit by an email virus, either at home, OR at work.

If you do not work in IT, you don't know. The fact is it is impossible to have every machine patched as soon as the vulnerability is found. Do you thbink the 57 year old secretary in the Botany department knows any better what makes a suspicious email? Most people don't see things the way we do.

 

[shantyman]

Also, Shog, I disagree with your assessment. These are not meant to be Power User machine. Why would the speed decrease because of a slot loading drive be a problem?

Shit, I'm a "Power user" and I have a 800Mhz desklamp iMac at home. It's fine, no actually it is great. I've done work in Final Cut Pro 2 on it, never gave me a problem. The average home user does not use professional level apps at home. It's all about the audience. You are obviously not in the audience for an iMac (and not in the audience for a low level eMachine, either).

I personally don't have the money for a PowerMac, so an iMac is a great solution for me. It does what I need it to do. I also like less cabling around my desk. The point is people tend to get worked up about something because it doesn't do exactly what they think it should do.

 

[aaaaa0]

If you do not work in IT, you don't know. The fact is it is impossible to have every machine patched as soon as the vulnerability is found. Do you thbink the 57 year old secretary in the Botany department knows any better what makes a suspicious email? Most people don't see things the way we do.

If your IT department is any good, they will have installed an antivirus filter on your company's email server, which will automatically filter out script and delete unsafe attachments before it gets to the clients.

So even if the machine isn't running the latest patched up email programs (first line of defense), you have a second layer of defense (the email server itself) which goes a long ways towards making even the "57 year old secretary in the Botany department" safe.

 

[xsarien]

If the IT department knows what's good for them, they wouldn't be using Outlook in the first place, that way they wouldn't have to worry about every script-based worm and trojan that comes down from some teenager's basement.

 

[Shogmaster]

How much did you pay for that Wacom Cintq panel/tablet Shog?

$2500. Only $600 more than the 15" version I bought 3 years ago for $1900.

Shogmaster, aka the king of "It isn't a viable option for me, so it sucks for everyone!!!!!"

Sorry you got that wrong. I just like pointing out that spending more on a Mac for getting less is what's wacky.

I work with the TV station on my campus, and I'm eventually going to be creating my own shows. The station's editing room is exclusively Mac G4 towers. So I'll be able to shoot a video, edit some stuff in the editing rooms, and then when the building closes, I can just shoot my work over to my 15" Powerbook and finish up the editing at my apartment. Take it in the next day, load it back to the G4 tower, and I'm set.

These are all things that can be done on a PC. I also never said Macs can't do these things. I just said they do them slower for more money.

Also, there's a such thing as people preferring OS X to Windows 2000 (or XP). Hey, I'm so happy for you that you like Windows 2000 better than OS X, but I like OS X better and I think it's worth the extra cash I had to pay for the hardware to get it.

Yeah great, except it's not the OS you use to get the job done, it's the applications. For serious work, Mac is less of a choice since it limits the variety of apps available to you but since people don't buy Macs for serious reasons, I guess it all works out in the end.

There's dozens of other reasons I could list as to why I prefer my Mac to a PC, but in the end, Shogmaster has even already admitted he's a troll in here, so I'll leave it at that.

Scared to continue, eh?

Also, Shog, I disagree with your assessment. These are not meant to be Power User machine. Why would the speed decrease because of a slot loading drive be a problem?

Not for iMac buyers! No sir! They are use to getting a lot less for cute looks. Unfortunately, they're not even getting the cute looks this time around.

Shit, I'm a "Power user" and I have a 800Mhz desklamp iMac at home. It's fine, no actually it is great. I've done work in Final Cut Pro 2 on it, never gave me a problem. The average home user does not use professional level apps at home. It's all about the audience. You are obviously not in the audience for an iMac (and not in the audience for a low level eMachine, either).

Let's focus. My problem with the new iMac is not just the power handicap (which we all expect from iMac anyways), but feature regression and bad ergomonics. Try to adress the discussion at hand will ya?

It's one thing if Apple gave us something akin to last gen's iMac where the power was weak, but everything else was so well done (design. ergomonics). Then the only things I would be bitchin about would be the lack of power and expansion (which defines iMacs anyways). How can you like the fact that the new one totally dropped the ball on ergonomics?

The form factor is stupid, whether you are a power user or not. last gen was much superior: incredible freedom for LCD placement and very stable base. And it was just as "portable" as the new one. The new iMac is an ergomonic disaster. Much less stable stance, very limited LCD adjustment, and incredibly stupid IO ports arrangement. Unless you have the finger sensitivity of a blind person, you won't know which port you're trying to stick your peripheral into unless you get your ass up and look behind the iMac, probably moving it from the original placement so that you don't have to contort yourself.

And when you have few peripherals plugged into the damn thing, the resulting cable danglings could end up pulling the stupid contraption form it's delicate balance. Accident waiting to happen. I'm sure you want to shoot back with "I'll just get bluetooth keyboard and mouse", but you can't bluetooth and Wifi everything. Unless all you do is type email and surf messagboards.

I personally don't have the money for a PowerMac, so an iMac is a great solution for me. It does what I need it to do.

With all the money one wastes buying iMacs gen to gen, that person could easily get PowerMacs. You buy a good monitor to last you from gen to gen and you buy low-mid rnage PowerMac for the same money as an iMac with the better display every few years. You end up with a much more capable machine to boot.

I also like less cabling around my desk.

iMac reduces exactly 2 cables: power cable for the monitor and the monitor cable to the tower. You gave up shitloads for just two damn cables.

The point is people tend to get worked up about something because it doesn't do exactly what they think it should do.

Steve thanks the stars everyday for the chronic congitive dissonance you and your fellow Mac fans suffer from.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Console gamers are lame 'cause they don't build their consoles from scratch. Word.

 

[Mister Zimbu]

Why has noone pointed out that that is one of the ugliest fucking pieces of crap ever created to begin with?

I mean... LOOK!

It looks... HORRIBLE! The monitor is absolutely atrocious. There's a problem when 30-40% of the actual monitor space isn't used for... you know... the MONITOR.

 

[aaaaa0]

If the IT department knows what's good for them, they wouldn't be using Outlook in the first place, that way they wouldn't have to worry about every script-based worm and trojan that comes down from some teenager's basement.

Doesn't help if someone gets mailed the "PLEEZE SAVE THIS ZIPEFILE TO YUR DESKTAP, OPAN IT AND THEN RUN TEH BOMB.EXE!!!!!11!1" virus, and being a dumbass, opens it anyway. All you need is attachment support in your email program for this to work, and I don't know of a widely used email program that doesn't support attachments.

Scanning email and stripping out attachments, html and script at the server is an effective way to prevent viruses and socially engineered email trojans from spreading.

In any well secured network you're going to have multiple layers of defense. A good IT admin isn't going to just rely on his client email apps to be secure.

 

[Freestyler]

I think the iMac looks amazing, and I like to think that I know more about style than people like shogmaster with that hideous, cluttered workspace he calls his computer.

You spent $2500 on a freakin input device there shog, and yet you're trying to hassle those who will spend something like half that on a fully integrated G5 system with DVD burner and 17" LCD monitor?

It's obviously all a matter of what works best for each individual. In my case, an iMac G5 would work better than an equivalent PC, since I am a Graphic Designer and that is what our industry uses. Price doesn't come into it when this iMac will last three years minimum as a decent computer.

 

[Shogmaster]

I think the iMac looks amazing, and I like to think that I know more about style than people like shogmaster with that hideous, cluttered workspace he calls his computer.

You spent $2500 on a freakin input device there shog, and yet you're trying to hassle those who will spend something like half that on a fully integrated G5 system with DVD burner and 17" LCD monitor?

It's obviously all a matter of what works best for each individual. In my case, an iMac G5 would work better than an equivalent PC, since I am a Graphic Designer and that is what our industry uses. Price doesn't come into it when this iMac will last three years minimum as a decent computer.

Cintiq is just an "input device"? And you call yourself a graphic designer? You are hopeless.

Look, it's pretty clear where our priorities are. For you, it's sacrifice everything just to look good, and not do much else. For me, it's all about doing the work and better workflow, even if a better workflow costs me $2500 for an "input device", and a "cluttered" deskspace to do it.

Summerize: Macs = for posing. PC = for working.

 

[Freestyler]

I'm a Graphic Designer, as in packaging, corporate IDs, brochures, catalogues; not illustration, I can't draw by hand for shit and I'm not ashamed to admit it I admire those who can.

It's different priorities clearly - you're willing to spend $2500 on a Wacom thing, and I'm not. I'm willing to spend $2500 on a Mac system, and you're not.

To say that one platform is for posing and the other is for working is just bullshit. I find my workflow to be much faster using OS X on Mac than using any Windows OS on PC, and that is because I use programs that all fit in very well with each other (the Adobe CS package for example). Yes, I could use these programs on PC also, but I find things like Expose in OS X to be extremely helpful, not to mention digital lifestyle apps such as iTunes, iPhoto and iMovie.

I'm on a PC right now (at home), which I use to play the only PC game I play (Warcraft), and I've had this one for a couple of years. I use my iBook whenever I'm doing graphics work at home.

To each their own; you're certainly not going to convince me that the iMac G5 is not an innovative and worthwhile machine, and I'm not going to convince you that you could just draw things on paper and scan them in.