Halo 1/2 and GTA 3/VC are above average/good games that are simply the best the industry has put out in their respective genres. What I'm saying is they lack a lot of qualities that would make them great. I was a Nintendo/PC gamer last generation, and these titles are not at the same level of excellence that Mario 64, Starcraft, Red Alert, Counter-Strike, Zelda OoT and MM, Pokemon, and Conker were in game design and gameplay. I'm not trying to dictate what titles deserve to sell what, I'm saying the industry isn't putting out many titles with great gameplay anymore. The Halos and GTAs are certainly allowed praise for pushing many new creative aspects, but people who don't see a lot of faults in them are braindead, in other word s, fanboys.