Ad Infinitum
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I'm a big Metal Gear fan and I've gotta say it's MGS all the way.
Which series is more cheesy: MGS or Resident Evil?
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bloodforge
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MGS4 alone is more cheese than the entirety of the RE series.
rollingstart
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Y2Kev said:
That is what amazes me whenever people complain that they're too serious. It's like, have you played these games before? there is a guy shitting himself in MGS4 ffs. Hell, even just go watch any of those hilarious alternate cutscenes from MGS3 if you want the least subtle proof.
Resident Evil wins this easily, if only because RE5 takes it to another level. RE4 seemed very self aware of the jokes it had while RE5 is actually serious, like, seriously serious about it all.
..pakbeka..
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yeah, I love those too, SIGINT's nightmare was funny enough for me to save a video of it and put it on my ipod, but I was talking about moments like this:Ploid 3.0 said:
MGS3's ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzp39LizZVw
full of spoilers of course
and of course the A.I. Colonel 15 minutes codec speech in the end of MGS2 plus Wolf's and Mantis's death speeches
oh and the OP should have included the Ace Combat games from 5 on, they are also deliciously cheesy and awesome, especially Zero
A BULLFIGHT/DUEL WITH FUCKING JETS? FUCK YEAH
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
I think MGS strikes the right balance between seriousness and then having a few "light hearted" moments to break up the tension. MGS has some great moments, most notably the end of MGS
, MGS3
and then MGS4
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RE is just pure fucking goofiness no matter how you look at it. I don't think there are any sentimental or heart gripping moments in the entire series. I don't think the game tries for a second to take itself seriously.
phone call from Ocelot, "MR. PRESIDENT!".
The Boss' death and Big Boss refusing to shake the president's hand, then the saluting scene following
the microwave room, and of course Big Boss coming back to visit Snake at the end
RE is just pure fucking goofiness no matter how you look at it. I don't think there are any sentimental or heart gripping moments in the entire series. I don't think the game tries for a second to take itself seriously.
Femmeworth
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The lack of Mikami is definitely why.Linkzg said:
Flying_Phoenix
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Y2Kev said:
This.
People do realize that Metal Gear's biggest influence is this series.
See how this Snake handles himself RIGHT AFTER one of his legs have been shot.
See how this Snake takes down an elite fighting force.
This Snake doesn't need stealth to escape from enemies.
Snake's cornered? No big deal.
Zeliard said:MGS takes itself seriously?
The series is pure camp, and it knows it.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
..pakbeka..
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it's good, but it's dramatic for the sake of being dramatic, which is why I used it as an example to remind Ploid that kojima isn't all about parodies and campynessFirestorm said:
a Master Ninja
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This balancing act takes me out of the game more than Capcom's constant ridiculousness. Often this is exactly what Kojima is going for, he loves that meta shit. The Metal Gear world seems inconsistently cheesy, which bothers me more.Adam Prime said:
â Narayan
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I just beat Resident Evil 5.
Resident Evil takes the cake.
Metal Gear's story is pretty cheesy (especially since MGS4), but it takes itself way too seriously.
Resident Evil takes the cake.
Metal Gear's story is pretty cheesy (especially since MGS4), but it takes itself way too seriously.
MGS is like an amazing comic book series. There are serious moments and heartfelt moments along with goofy and WTF moments. Sure, ELEMENTS of MGS are cheesy (Snake Eater Theme 
), but MGS as a whole is not cheesy.
With regards to RE, I can't say. RE4 has spent 30 minutes in my Wii. I had the misfortune of playing Dead Space first. :|
), but MGS as a whole is not cheesy.With regards to RE, I can't say. RE4 has spent 30 minutes in my Wii. I had the misfortune of playing Dead Space first. :|
The thing is MGS1 probably was the most forgiveable of the series. It felt more grounded in reality, even plot points like Snake/Liquid being "brothers" because they were clones isn't that far fetched. The ninja cyborg is well...a cyborg. That's not too far fetched either. I've always played it based on the Japanese version, and it felt like watching a military anime with a dab of scifi in it. I love MGS2 as a game, but it really really got campy, I don't think I need to explain why.
As for Resident Evil, the campiness was probably the amalgamation of bad writing and bad localization/English voice production. And it was like that from the beginning and so it was acceptable. MGS1 and the 3 sequels just feels different, as for Resident Evil, all of them feels the same in terms of cheesiness. I'll just say though that RE5 is becoming different from the previous 4 with its campiness though...
I'm actually surprised many chose RE over MGS though. Bad dialogue isn't the only reason why it should be considered cheesy. Many other games have those too. But nothing beats the ridiculousness of MGS in its storytelling. But thats just my 2 cents.
As for Resident Evil, the campiness was probably the amalgamation of bad writing and bad localization/English voice production. And it was like that from the beginning and so it was acceptable. MGS1 and the 3 sequels just feels different, as for Resident Evil, all of them feels the same in terms of cheesiness. I'll just say though that RE5 is becoming different from the previous 4 with its campiness though...
I'm actually surprised many chose RE over MGS though. Bad dialogue isn't the only reason why it should be considered cheesy. Many other games have those too. But nothing beats the ridiculousness of MGS in its storytelling. But thats just my 2 cents.
timetokill
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MGS suffers because it takes itself too seriously. That's what makes it so hilarious :lol
SuperSonic1305
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The first Resident Evil has enough cheese to outdo every other videogame in history. This thread is a joke.
Red Blaster
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Troidal said:
No it wasn't. There was a freaking levitating psychic who shot spheres of energy at you for crying out loud. And saying a ninja cyborg isn't too far fetched is basically the excuse MGS4 used with nanomachines allowing for all sorts of crazy things.
Once again, Code Veronica.
Ploid 3.0
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Science fiction. Both of them, but more so MGS series. These games aren't claiming to be reality. Teleconesis, nanomachines, etc aren't too crazy, the reasons and links not making sense is what had some people scratching their heads at MGS. MGS4's ending was a bit too cheesy though. They tried to give this
vibe I think. It looked unnatural, especially
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happily ever after
Meryl in a wedding dress (she's meant to look out of her element, but they lingered over that wedding far too long)
TheSonicRetard
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This thread has taught me that "pretentious" is the new buzzword people have latched onto, and few people actually know what pretentious is.
nelsonroyale
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.....
RE by far...
MGS is actually intriguing and entertaining...RE is somewhat entertaing, but with zero substance...
Its Gears level trite...actually, gears has a more interesting story. Its probably the first impression the original game left on me when I was around 12... 'wow, this is some corny narrative...'
I also have to laugh at those who think MGS takes itself too serious....only snake's central narrative really takes itself seriously, and that was excellent... The characters elevate the series...
agreed with the above.
Also, the comparison should never be made, one of the silliest threads I've seen on here ha
RE by far...
MGS is actually intriguing and entertaining...RE is somewhat entertaing, but with zero substance...
Its Gears level trite...actually, gears has a more interesting story. Its probably the first impression the original game left on me when I was around 12... 'wow, this is some corny narrative...'
I also have to laugh at those who think MGS takes itself too serious....only snake's central narrative really takes itself seriously, and that was excellent... The characters elevate the series...
agreed with the above.
Also, the comparison should never be made, one of the silliest threads I've seen on here ha
TheSonicRetard
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Leam said:
Not quite as good as "innovative" though.
Ploid 3.0
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Pachael said:
So are you saying some people view it as art? Interpreting it how they see fit? Hmm...
Oh and MGS4's act 3 floored me,
Eva explaining everything
I saw one of the big reveals in RE5 sort of
the identity of the bird lady via youtube
she
nelsonroyale
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Troidal said:
its a combination of bad dialogue, paper thing cheese bag characters and poor uninteresting narrative...fair enough its kind of stable of the horror genre, but RE ONLY has cheese going for it, nothing more
abstract alien
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RE
I would equate MGS to a Joss Whedon show. Campy when it needs to be. Serious when it needs to be. Brillant.
A lot of people hate Joss Whedon's shows but a lot of people can't combine the camp with seriousness so it makes sense.
Resident Evil is just garbage from a story standpoint. Only point to playing RE is to either be scared for the old one's or to blow up some heads in the new one's.
A lot of people hate Joss Whedon's shows but a lot of people can't combine the camp with seriousness so it makes sense.
Resident Evil is just garbage from a story standpoint. Only point to playing RE is to either be scared for the old one's or to blow up some heads in the new one's.
Yoboman
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lucablight
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I think the MGS series has some cheesy moments in it but I don't think it's cheesy overall. The whole Wesker thing in RE5 ruined the "storyline" for me. It's like the creators didn't have any original ideas.
Resident Evil's "story" is in no way important to the game.. it's an EXCUSE for the game to exist - i.e. shooting zombies and eventually zombie-like persons later in the series.
Metal Gear's story is extremely important to the game, it's (portrayed) as the REASON for the game to exist.
RE's cheese is I think, mostly deliberate. Come on, someone bring up the .GIF file coming from the live-action scenes of the first game... that was really something. If you're an RE player you most likely don't take the story seriously, because it's garbage. The cheese is sometimes delicious.
MGS's cheese is.. well Kojima DOES NOT intend what he writes as cheese. It's a bit more complicated because of the anime/parody culture in Japan, but you're supposed to take the main plot quite seriously regardless of what you think of it. That's why some people see it as TEH SHIT and some people see it as SHIT.
Metal Gear's story is extremely important to the game, it's (portrayed) as the REASON for the game to exist.
RE's cheese is I think, mostly deliberate. Come on, someone bring up the .GIF file coming from the live-action scenes of the first game... that was really something. If you're an RE player you most likely don't take the story seriously, because it's garbage. The cheese is sometimes delicious.
MGS's cheese is.. well Kojima DOES NOT intend what he writes as cheese. It's a bit more complicated because of the anime/parody culture in Japan, but you're supposed to take the main plot quite seriously regardless of what you think of it. That's why some people see it as TEH SHIT and some people see it as SHIT.
Suburban Cowboy
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There is a difference between cheesy and convoluted.
MGS is the latter, RE the former.
MGS is the latter, RE the former.
Street Fighter owns them all in cheesiness
Resident Evil. Those of you guys that say that MGS takes itself way more seriously don't know what you're talking about. When RE breaks the fourth wall as much as MGS does maybe you guys will have a point.
Also (although this probably has nothing to do with cheesiness), there's something exceptionally stupid about a storyline about companies that develop viruses to be used as biologocial weapons. We get to see zombies and monsters like Hunters, Lickers and Tyrants because of that (which is fine), but when you get to see stuff like what Wesker does in RE5, or Alexia in Code Veronica (a virus that gives you the ability to shoot fire from your hands? give me a break) you know that something is terribly wrong. With MGS you know from the start the rules of its fiction and that there are tons of freaks with special powers and abilities. That's why stuff like a dead guy's arm possessing another person or bisexual vampires are never out of place in the MGS series.
There's also this: Wesker is probably more powerful than any MGS character ever, even though the world that RE tries to portray is way more like ours than MGS'. That should tell you guys something.
Oh, and yes. MGS is pretentious. Don't ever try to change that because its inherent to the style of the series, and part of its appeal. Also, as I said (and as contradictory as it may sound), even though it's more pretentious, it doesn't take nearly as seriously as RE.
Also (although this probably has nothing to do with cheesiness), there's something exceptionally stupid about a storyline about companies that develop viruses to be used as biologocial weapons. We get to see zombies and monsters like Hunters, Lickers and Tyrants because of that (which is fine), but when you get to see stuff like what Wesker does in RE5, or Alexia in Code Veronica (a virus that gives you the ability to shoot fire from your hands? give me a break) you know that something is terribly wrong. With MGS you know from the start the rules of its fiction and that there are tons of freaks with special powers and abilities. That's why stuff like a dead guy's arm possessing another person or bisexual vampires are never out of place in the MGS series.
There's also this: Wesker is probably more powerful than any MGS character ever, even though the world that RE tries to portray is way more like ours than MGS'. That should tell you guys something.
Oh, and yes. MGS is pretentious. Don't ever try to change that because its inherent to the style of the series, and part of its appeal. Also, as I said (and as contradictory as it may sound), even though it's more pretentious, it doesn't take nearly as seriously as RE.
Zeliard said:MGS takes itself seriously?
The series is pure camp, and it knows it.
Of all the examples of silliness from MGS you pick that awesome scene? What is silly about witnessing a man blinded and obsessed by power flipping out?
I guess we see things differently. Also, the game may want to appear Western, but it is Japanese to the bone. many Western gamers get a lot of things fly over their heads due to cultural ignorance.