Killing_Joke
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Hart Foundation 97. Their heat/face reactions were insane. Unlike most heels who try to have the "cool" factor, they shitted on the American fans every chance they can. Plus they had those dope leather jackets.
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Which wrestling squad is your favorite? (Four horsemen/DX/NWO/NoD/)
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31GhostsIV
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Mark (lol) me down for a seat on the Hart Foundation '97 train. Especially when they pulled off being faces in Canada while being despised heels in the US. Not enough credit is given to the Harts for the post new-gen resurgence of the WWE as all of the focus is on Austin (understandably) and DX, who the WWE history re-writing machine likes to pretend is the most important faction of all time.
Remember the slow burn break up between the Owen and Davey tag team? And how it culminated in a match where Bret appeared and broke it up and talked them into uniting with him as a faction? You'd never get a story like that today's wrasslin.. I mean, entertainment.
Chie Satonaka
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Bullet Club.
I wish I would have gotten on the train earlier.
I wish I would have gotten on the train earlier.
The feud with Austin and the Hart Foundation stuff is why I think Bret is one of the GOATs of professional wrestling. He made all of that stuff work so well and I don't think anybody could pull that stuff off.
TarpitCarnivore
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DX is corny as hell
Bullet Club is (Now) corny as all hell
nWo was only cool for about a month before it let in fucking Virgil
Four Horseman will forever be one of the GOAT stables
Bullet Club is (Now) corny as all hell
nWo was only cool for about a month before it let in fucking Virgil
Four Horseman will forever be one of the GOAT stables
31GhostsIV
Banned
Yep, it was masterful. I loved the slow turn from his Survivor Series '96 return onwards, where he'd occasionally get visibly frustrated with the way he was being treated or deliver frustrated promos, before finally doing the double turn with Austin at Mania.
Today they would probably try to cram the story into one episode of RAW.
TarpitCarnivore
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LIJ is the best stable currently going and nothing even comes close. They even shit on the "greats" like DX and nWo.
LiquidSolid
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Currently: Los Ingobernables de Japon
All-time Favourite: The lWo. Eddie Guerrero was so fucking entertaining.
All-time Worst: DX. It's funny how Triple H has re-written WWE's history to make them appear like they were far more important than they were. They were fucking terrible.
As for others, I'm a big fan of the og Bullet Club, back when it was just Devitt, Karl Anderson, Bad Luck Fale and Tama Tonga but I was turned off once they turned into a blatant nWo knock off (though I'm still a big fan of a lot of them).
Speaking of which, the nWo was awesome at first but it dragged on way too long and had way too many red shirts.
All-time Favourite: The lWo. Eddie Guerrero was so fucking entertaining.
All-time Worst: DX. It's funny how Triple H has re-written WWE's history to make them appear like they were far more important than they were. They were fucking terrible.
As for others, I'm a big fan of the og Bullet Club, back when it was just Devitt, Karl Anderson, Bad Luck Fale and Tama Tonga but I was turned off once they turned into a blatant nWo knock off (though I'm still a big fan of a lot of them).
Speaking of which, the nWo was awesome at first but it dragged on way too long and had way too many red shirts.
Spectral Glider
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No love for the Heenan family? WrestleGAF makes me sad.
Mostly jabronies outside of Andre.
If I was going to pick a stable with Meng in it, I'd go all the way and pick Dungeon of Doom. And Rude was better with Percy/Paul Bearer and Heyman than Heenan.
Hart Foundation was super good.
I would also throw in there Evolution.
I know they aren't actually the best stable of all time, but it launched 2 legit huge careers in Batista and Randy Orton and the aging Flair was fantastic in it, and was probably HHHs best run since DX broke up the first time.
It was a solid group. Obviously not the top group, but I'd say top tier.
I would also throw in there Evolution.
I know they aren't actually the best stable of all time, but it launched 2 legit huge careers in Batista and Randy Orton and the aging Flair was fantastic in it, and was probably HHHs best run since DX broke up the first time.
It was a solid group. Obviously not the top group, but I'd say top tier.
Host Samurai
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Who's the guy all the way to the right?
Host Samurai
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WCW crowds are amazing
It's like I am looking at the crowd at a Trump rally
ColdLasagna
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AWA version of the Road Warriors.
Top Tier.
edit! My bad, thought it was tag team and not stable, I'm drunk... excuse this post.
Top Tier.
edit! My bad, thought it was tag team and not stable, I'm drunk... excuse this post.
I don't follow NXT but were the Four Horsewomen actually a stable? I always got the impression that they were just 4 top women wrestlers who they dubbed the Four Horsewomen, but they didn't really go around as allies stomping people and cutting promos together in the ring etc.
Was that not the case?
Was that not the case?
Alligatorjandro
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The whole wcw was in the nwo lmao
They're not a stable.
Killing_Joke
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Alex Stroud
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LiquidSolid
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Nah, it was less a stable and more WWE's brief lame attempt to co-opt Ronda Rousey's "Four Horsewomen" similar to the Balor Club/The Club.
TheSecondSpitter
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Wrassle GAF
DeaconKnowledge
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See, that's all true, which is the issue. Solid isn't great.
When I think of practically any wrestler in the attitude era, I instantly think of a defining match.
Rock - vs Hogan, WMX8
Austin - vs. Rock, WMX7
Bret - vs. Austin, WM13
Undertaker - vs. Shawn Michaels, in your House
Mankind - vs. Undertaker, KoR 98
HHH....
What is his defining match? his magnum opus? Sure, he's been carried to great matches by others, but who did he carry to greatness? You used the word 'solid' a lot in your post. I agree wholeheartedly, he was always a solid worker. Solid is a long, long way from great.
Nocturnowl
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Hah, well it's not quite like that, it's more that with the ever increasing sentiment I see that Trips hasn't done much good in his career I tend to think "hang on a sec, he's not the best but he's had his share of moments" which in turn reminds me that I've never held much dislike for him and have had periods where I appreciated his work.
Wouldn't break my all time top 10 but I do consider him a strong part of WWE's best year in 2000.
Each to their own I guess, I'm a full on mark for Kane after all which im sure people find much worse.
Samuraicop
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I cant decide so I pick both
Evolution
DX
As you can guess my two favorite wrestlers are TRI and Shawn Micheals
Evolution
DX
As you can guess my two favorite wrestlers are TRI and Shawn Micheals
Alligatorjandro
Banned
The promos from The Austin-Bret Hart feud were the best ever in the wwe
Lmao, corniest.
Pupperbabysassy
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I'm old.
Four Horsemen
The Freebirds
LCO
Jimmy Harts first family
Crazy Max
Raven's Flock in ECW
Heenan Family
The SuperPowers
My current favorite is Suzuki-Gun
Four Horsemen
The Freebirds
LCO
Jimmy Harts first family
Crazy Max
Raven's Flock in ECW
Heenan Family
The SuperPowers
My current favorite is Suzuki-Gun
Nocturnowl
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Really though the APA office bits in 2000 were wonderful.
Not really a faction though.
avengers23
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Just based on their debut and because they're on my mind lately, Generation Next:
Also, the Rottweilers:
Also, the Rottweilers:
Nothing wrong with that but I guess the problem with HHH for me overall is to get those good moments he was given 100 chances with the best booking etc. So lets say 90 chances were boring and 10 chances were ok if that makes sense. HHH is pure booking to me like sting granted I only saw crow sting not suffer sting. All the build up then the very definition of basic boring nothing special ( well stings look was great ). I know I sound like I am on the bad wagon of hate but I have always felt that way. I think a lot of guys are better then HHH and weren't given a 10th of his booking and build up.
Also I think kane is a good big man I have never had a problem with him and he has good comedic skills when he gets the chance to use them.
Nocturnowl
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I get where you're coming from, by sheer tenure and company loyalty alongside that backstage influence he's had way more titles, mania main events and the like than he actually warrants.
I'll go with the one with the best entrance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALFMYWFRjQs
I don't think WWE scratched the surface with them given how over they were at the time.
The greatest is the original horsemen. I grew up in Mid Atlantic territory, and the horsemen were incredibly over with the fans despite being heels. I think they are the originators of the cool heel gimmick really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALFMYWFRjQs
I don't think WWE scratched the surface with them given how over they were at the time.
The greatest is the original horsemen. I grew up in Mid Atlantic territory, and the horsemen were incredibly over with the fans despite being heels. I think they are the originators of the cool heel gimmick really.
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