Who do you find more compelling? Big Boss or Solid Snake?
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OG Solid Snake(MG, MG2, MGS)
Ancient this may be, but it actually allowed my imagination to fill in the blanks. What I envisioned looked nothing like the mullet dude from 2, and even worse, 4. David Hayter, and the rest of the cast were sublime as well.
MGS3 is superb, Big Boss suffers tremendously in that game and you feel for him. It was great to get the backstory, but I still prefer good guy Snake. WTF happened to the Kojima that directed this game? Part 4 left a bad taste in my mouth, and I knew it from the first time I had finished it. Hype doesn't mean shit to me.
Ancient this may be, but it actually allowed my imagination to fill in the blanks. What I envisioned looked nothing like the mullet dude from 2, and even worse, 4. David Hayter, and the rest of the cast were sublime as well.
MGS3 is superb, Big Boss suffers tremendously in that game and you feel for him. It was great to get the backstory, but I still prefer good guy Snake. WTF happened to the Kojima that directed this game? Part 4 left a bad taste in my mouth, and I knew it from the first time I had finished it. Hype doesn't mean shit to me.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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With The Phantom Pain, won't that pretty much finish Big Boss's story? By the end of that would be about the time of the rise of Solid Snake
I think you misread the post.
It wasnt that Solid is stronger or weaker for being a clone, but Big Boss is ruined by making him a clone of Solid.
Jawmuncher
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Sign me up for old snake not being the real snake.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Kojima already confirmed that Old Snake was Decoy Octopus.
Jawmuncher
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Thats what were all hoping for. MG1 and 2 are due for remakes and kojima even agrees.
Wait what? Solid is a clone of Big Boss, not the other way around.
In storyline sure. In reality not so much.
Big Boss as we knew him was a vastly different character then Solid at all points in his life.
In MGS3 they retroactively made Solid and Boss nearly identical in most ways and in so doing turned Boss into the clone.
Nonsense. Solid Snake never had to scrounge for food or heal wounds during missions. The shit Big Boss had to endure physically makes Solid look like a weakling.
Solid literally beat Big Boss.
There's no question who is the strongest. They fought with Big Boss having the home field, and Solid won.
Or you know David was doing that shit pretty much every fucking day when living an isolated life in Alaska.
But sure we can ignore that.
A man in his 20 's beat a elderly man, congratulations Solid Snake, you're a really strong dude.
Yup, being a dog sledder and choosing to fish or hunt is the same as being dropped into a unknown environment and having to eat anything to survive.
Some of y'all's Solid boners are messing with your heads.
The Silver
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If Solid was in MGS3, he would've killed Boss on that bridge and went back to Alaska like nothing ever happened.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Regardless of how you feel about the story, saying a character has no personality when you haven't played a game designed to flesh him out more weakens your argument.
I've only played Peace Walker in Japanese and have no idea how the story comes off in English (past experience with localization tells me "not well"). I also prefer to go by my own opinions and not someone else's.
brandonh83
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Big Boss is more interesting, but Solid is "cooler" and more of an enjoyable protagonist to me.
Not true. David was not an unfeeling asshole some are making him out to be. He and Boss had some differences, but to try and argue that Boss wasnt just mostly Solid lifted and minorily altered is insanity.
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TGO
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This
That's how the battlefield works, bro.
Maybe you are one of the people who changes the time in the PS2 to let The End die of old age, out of respect for his age.
True warriors just shoot other warriors in the face, regardless of age, gender or race. War is the big equalizer.
Naked Snake survival skills are over exaggerated.
I remember eating like a couple of snakes and a rat and the rest was rations like any civilized soldier.
TGO
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Better then hiding in a bush and sneaking up on a man over 100 years old or killing a 100+year old OAP in his sleep while hiding in the bushes
Solid Snake saw an OAP starting shit and went straight up to him and beat his ass, Solid don't mess around.
Tbf Solid Snake wouldn't need survival skills like that because he would have completed the mission before lunch ;-)
MiamiWesker
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Solid to me is more interesting. I find good more interesting than evil. We know what happens to Big Boss, guy gets fed up with the world, gives into his emotions and goes crazy. Doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, so much self-pity and anger over things he helped create.
Solid was a major pawn always being pushed around by others. Experienced just as much bullshit as Big Boss did but instead of giving into anger Solid chose to believe in mankind and the future. Solid actually loves people, he loves Meryl, he loves Otacon, he cares about human beings.
And I really dont get what is your guys problem with MGS4, it was Solid's best moment. That entire game is designed to be a torture of Solid Snake. Moment by moment its just events that would crush any other person. The person he loved comes back and thinks he are too old and worn out to be of any use. He finds out he will die in a few months and worst still will become a weapon that will kill everyone he knows. Everyone is constantly telling him to get out of the way.
And yet through all of that Solid Snake never wavers and when the fate of the entire world hung in the balance it was Snake who put the world on his back and saved the day. Only a few people would ever know what Snake did, he didn't do it for glory, he did it cause that is who he is, that is what he believes. He is far more like The Boss than Big Boss could ever dream of being.
Solid was a major pawn always being pushed around by others. Experienced just as much bullshit as Big Boss did but instead of giving into anger Solid chose to believe in mankind and the future. Solid actually loves people, he loves Meryl, he loves Otacon, he cares about human beings.
And I really dont get what is your guys problem with MGS4, it was Solid's best moment. That entire game is designed to be a torture of Solid Snake. Moment by moment its just events that would crush any other person. The person he loved comes back and thinks he are too old and worn out to be of any use. He finds out he will die in a few months and worst still will become a weapon that will kill everyone he knows. Everyone is constantly telling him to get out of the way.
And yet through all of that Solid Snake never wavers and when the fate of the entire world hung in the balance it was Snake who put the world on his back and saved the day. Only a few people would ever know what Snake did, he didn't do it for glory, he did it cause that is who he is, that is what he believes. He is far more like The Boss than Big Boss could ever dream of being.
Big Boss is such a terrible character that Kojima basically made him Solid Snake, except much whinier. He doesn't even have his own character now. He also seems socially and mentally challenged in all incarnations.
I just want to point that out to all people choosing Big Boss in this thread. You're the weaker genes of the human race; your reasoning abilities are clearly flawed.
Also, what kind of twat goes around calling himself 'Big Boss'? No shame.
I just want to point that out to all people choosing Big Boss in this thread. You're the weaker genes of the human race; your reasoning abilities are clearly flawed.
Also, what kind of twat goes around calling himself 'Big Boss'? No shame.
MiamiWesker
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Oh and come on Solid is a way better warrior than Big Boss. Other than the fact that he beat his father TWICE he fought way more advanced Metal Gears. More advanced mutant freaks. Crazy cyborg ninjas. And he fought his entire clone family and won. Plus he never once whined or was doubtful during any of it. Big Boss was a baby in MGS3, "ohh no I cant beat her, I'm scared".
Pitch Black Flint
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Solid Snake, more specifically, the "Iriquois Pliskin" variant. I never cared for Snake in MGS because he was a just a tool being lead blindly from mission to mission. But in Sons of Liberty, he'd gained a purpose, a reason to fight. He wasn't the reluctant soldier being brought out of retirement against his will, he was fighting for a better world.
The Philanthropists organization that he established along with Otacon was every bit as ambitious and perhaps more noble than Big Boss' Military Sans Frontiers. In MGS2, Solid Snake was more than a just a soldier, he was a human being. And unlike Big Boss, he wasn't driven by some weird, possible Oedipus complex over his former commander fighting for greater recognition of soldiers.
Also, MGS4 doesn't exist.
The Philanthropists organization that he established along with Otacon was every bit as ambitious and perhaps more noble than Big Boss' Military Sans Frontiers. In MGS2, Solid Snake was more than a just a soldier, he was a human being. And unlike Big Boss, he wasn't driven by some weird, possible Oedipus complex over his former commander fighting for greater recognition of soldiers.
Also, MGS4 doesn't exist.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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You're entitled to your opinion but it stops there
Big Boss didn't know when to stop.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Big Boss is a fictional character
You are presumably real, and insulitng people over their preference on fictional characters in a video game
Solid Snake could've blown Liquid the fuck up at the end of MGS1, but nooooooo, he couldn't kill Gray Fox with the blast, who was begging to die by Snake's hand. Instead of killing his friend like the friend asked and ending the battle then&there, he lets his friend get crushed to death and then has to fight Liquid the hard way.
Good job Solid, you really made the right choice there ya dingus.
TGO
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Yep, ya know I thought I was the only one that thought Solid Snake was the better then Big Boss, Solid Snake and Liquid are both sides of Big Boss and was considered imperfect, hence Solidus was born
But like Big Boss Solidus was flawed, that flaw was what made Liquid, Solidus and Big Boss turn, Solid Snake didn't have that and that made him the perfect soldier.
The Silver
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MGS1 era Solid Snake was definitely a cold warrior who internalized all his feelings, it was his experiences there that broke him free of being The Patriots hitman and gave him a purpose.
Solid Snake being a "stronger" person and not letting shit get to him was the key difference between him and Big Boss, where as Big Boss tries to shape the world to his image Solid just "lets the world be".
Solid would have killed The Boss and went on with his life.
It's okay, there is still time for you to change into better people.
Kojima is not there, behind a pen, attempting to character assassinate you.
Damn...You've changed my mind. I'm rolling with Solid Snake.
TGO
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I don't think anyone is taking it seriously, and I'm sure his joking.
Nah I think Grey Fox says otherwise. He didnt just kill Fox and even if he thought he had it left a lasting scar on him that went forward with him as the codec calls in MGS1 showed.
Giving the edge to Solid Snake right now. I loved his character in MGS1. I base him off of that mostly.
Until BB really turns into the BB we know him as (ala Anakin's transformation) he can't be it. He hasn't shown enough to differentiate himself from Solid. I'm praying this will happen in the Phantom Pain. Once there is a definite difference I'll re-evaluate.
Until BB really turns into the BB we know him as (ala Anakin's transformation) he can't be it. He hasn't shown enough to differentiate himself from Solid. I'm praying this will happen in the Phantom Pain. Once there is a definite difference I'll re-evaluate.
Agent Gibbs
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probably Big Boss, i want to love Solid Snake more, because MGS1 in one game made him a legend, however MGS2 and MGS4 just overly complicated and potentially ruined the character i really didn't see the point in making him old snake
but Jack, was awesome (can't comment on GZ and Phantom Pain yet) and has followed a progression i'd have wanted Solid Snake to follow....right now i'd love for Kojima to releas another Metal Gear and just retcon MGS4's plot out of existence (gameplay/mechanics wise it was a great game, it just ruined Snake)
not keen on anyone but David hayter doing the voice of snake, but it makes some sense for Bigboss to have a different voice, especially when Liquid and Solidus's voice was different, Hayter should remain as Solid's voice
but Jack, was awesome (can't comment on GZ and Phantom Pain yet) and has followed a progression i'd have wanted Solid Snake to follow....right now i'd love for Kojima to releas another Metal Gear and just retcon MGS4's plot out of existence (gameplay/mechanics wise it was a great game, it just ruined Snake)
not keen on anyone but David hayter doing the voice of snake, but it makes some sense for Bigboss to have a different voice, especially when Liquid and Solidus's voice was different, Hayter should remain as Solid's voice
Big Boss had a fantastic character examination in Metal Gear Solid 3, but at this point I'm kinda sick of him. MGS3 showed exactly what was the catalyst for his change in worldview and that should have been enough.
Solid Snake unfortunately got shit all over in the sequels (especially MGS4), so while he had a lot of potential, we never got to see much of it.
Solid Snake unfortunately got shit all over in the sequels (especially MGS4), so while he had a lot of potential, we never got to see much of it.
Agreed, Big Boss is awesome, and Raiden's cool now, but I feel like he never got utilized or explored as much as he was in MGS1. The 2D games, while classics, can't really be compared in terms of character development and story exposition to the 3D games, and frankly, MGS4 kinda shit all over poor Dave.
The Silver
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What? Grey Fox is more evidence that he isn't like Big Boss.
Solid fought and killed his best friend and did not think for a second that he survived.
What did he do afterwards? Went to Alaska instead of raging against the world.