adamsappel
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Not if you're dead. What is your fear, that you'll be misidentified as a criminal in some way? I don't think we're going to live in Minority Report anytime soon.
Bad principles are still principles, so I guess you're right.
Why are you not willing to donate your organs?
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Bad principles are still principles, so I guess you're right.
How noble your principles that allow your inaction that results in death, because "eh, there's enough people."
So I take it you're against blood donation, too?
LaserBuddha
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It's not "life at all costs" because it costs you absolutely nothing. And your vague "icky germs of strangers touching mah organs" fear doesn't count because it makes no sense. When you are dead, your body IS just the sum of its parts. Parts that aren't going to be buried with you even if you're not a donor.
Like seriously, being unfamiliar with someone (when you won't have a consciousness with which to reflect upon them) is a reason to deny them a life saving procedure? Save your family but let people you don't know die needlessly just because FUCK PEOPLE I DONT KNOW.
Keep the crazy coming, GAF.
John Kowalski
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I wonder if signing a body donation at 25 would give people the wrong idea.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
I meant refusing before death/singling out tissues that can't/don't want to be donated, that's the main idea behind the questions I was posing. I was thinking along the lines of retina scanners for locks and security clearances, and stuff like that. Or, less scifi-y, what if someone just finds their eyes to be a uniquely personal feature or trait and didn't want to pass those on?
Monster Zero
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Don't want people rooting for me to die
Thats precisely what many people in this topic have done if you ever need an organ transplant.
NoblesseOblige
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Why?
LaserBuddha
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Some people don't want anything done by doctors to save their lives, but they have to opt out of that because that's the most sensible arrangement to cater to the rational majority. I don't see a reason to treat organ donation differently especially when it represents no material consequences.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Because I am not convinced that doctors don't actually look out for the organs vs. my life.
This is a completely rational adult fear because obviously doctors don't do stuff like that despite the fact that doctor's let people die all the fucking time because they don't have any money.
This is a completely rational adult fear because obviously doctors don't do stuff like that despite the fact that doctor's let people die all the fucking time because they don't have any money.
adamsappel
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I would think that any security system that required retinal scanners would also cross-reference with a database that showed the person was dead. Regardless, we're debating movie scenarios, not real life.
"Uniquely personal"? You're dead. I guess someone might brag about having Paul Newman's or Elizabeth Taylor's eyes, but if we're going to go that far, that seems pretty complimentary.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Doesn't sound rational. I don't believe doctors pick and choose who they operate on, it's scheduled for them, and that's done by another party on the basis of who can pay for the hospital for treatment. So you're leveraging the blame on the wrong party and then using it incorrectly to prevent others from access to your organs because of that. Even if I bought that that was a rational excuse, it still makes it one poisoned with contempt.
LaserBuddha
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If you are taken to the hospital, doctors will everything they can to help you even if you have no insurance. If they don't, they will get completely fucked over by a review board and/or a lawsuit.
Not having insurance can keep you from getting long term follow up care and major surgeries that are needed but not immediately critical to continuing to live. But that's because the doctor is literally not being allowed to do these things, not because he decided not to help you because he doesn't like freeloaders owing the hospital money.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/emergent/donor.asp
infinit777
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Oh also, i may not be able to because i was diagnosed with this disease a year ago... how the doctore diagnosed that i have a nearly impossible to diagnose disease... i have no clue, but he did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behçet's_disease
as far as the disease goes, i only get mouth ulcers and skin lesions compared to the more harmful things that can occur, and i hope it doesn't get worse... but it can attack organs.
God Dayumm
Banned
Doctors will try their best save your lives, guys. Hospital directors on the other hand... have you watched Monster?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
For myself personally I think having a not well understood disease would help cement my position to donate my organs. Not necessarily to people but to doctors and scientists looking to better understand the disease so that maybe others in the future can be better treated or cured of it. I know that doesn't help you now though, and hope what you have doesn't progress beyond where it is currently.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Right...I thought I made it clear from my initial questions that I was throwing out movie-esque hypotheticals
So? Do we also not honor wills? The people who wrote them are dead, too. If a person finds them personal, being such an external thing by which we experience the world, who's to say they someone wouldn't find them uniquely personal? Have you spent anytime on online dating sites? I can't tell you how many times I've seen things along the lines of "The first thing people notice about me is: my eyes" on OKCupid. These aren't some organ you're vaguely aware of, or have never seen before, after all.
(Also, please don't misconstrue what I'm arguing with any of these scenarios as necessarily my own personal beliefs or stances.)
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If you believe there is a good chance you would actively dislike the random person who receives your organs, it's probably you who is actually the dislikeable one.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
But what if they took all your organs and skeleton too and wadded you up into a ball before shooting you out of a cannon? Consider the ballistics, man.
As a medical professional, I can't stress how important it is to donate your organs. There are people every single day in need of various organs and many are unable to obtain one not just because of availability, but also tissue compatibility and rejection. Thus, the greater number of organs available, the greater the chance of a match. If you are considering to do so, please do.
There is one thing I've noticed in this thread however, and that's a startling amount of judgement going on. People are free to do whatever they like with their bodies, whether they are alive or dead. It's their body, even in the hospital we have laws and rules when we deal with recently deceased patients. If a patient wants to keep their organs for whatever reason, they are absolutely free to do so. But labelling people as "selfish" or "treating humanity like shit" because they choose not to is not right. In the medical community, we respect and observe that each patient has the right to have their body treated however they would like to. Just because they have passed on doesn't mean they owe society any part of their body.
Organ donation should be an act of kindness, generosity, and compassion as opposed to being shamed into participating.
The best way we can encourage each other to be organ donors is through education and meaningful conversation. Demonizong those who see differently is not the answer.
There is one thing I've noticed in this thread however, and that's a startling amount of judgement going on. People are free to do whatever they like with their bodies, whether they are alive or dead. It's their body, even in the hospital we have laws and rules when we deal with recently deceased patients. If a patient wants to keep their organs for whatever reason, they are absolutely free to do so. But labelling people as "selfish" or "treating humanity like shit" because they choose not to is not right. In the medical community, we respect and observe that each patient has the right to have their body treated however they would like to. Just because they have passed on doesn't mean they owe society any part of their body.
Organ donation should be an act of kindness, generosity, and compassion as opposed to being shamed into participating.
The best way we can encourage each other to be organ donors is through education and meaningful conversation. Demonizong those who see differently is not the answer.
kingkaiser
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Let's just say I want to be absolutely sure, like 100% that my organs will never, ever be donated to people like you two.
NoblesseOblige
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You mean reasonable people with actual empathy?
velociraptor
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Superb post.
SaganIsGOAT
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Interesting
User 479360
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When my Aunt suddenly passed away two years ago, her family decided to donate her organs. I'm not sure if she had agreed to be an organ donor or not, but that's what I remember.
We're not sure of where her organs went, but the surprising thing was that someone overheard a doctor from that hospital talking about a lady who had donated her organs that Christmas and was the first one to do that. They called her their Christmas Angel.
We're not sure of where her organs went, but the surprising thing was that someone overheard a doctor from that hospital talking about a lady who had donated her organs that Christmas and was the first one to do that. They called her their Christmas Angel.
NoblesseOblige
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I do not see myself as being kind, generous, or compassionate because I've made the choice to donate my organs. I did so because that to me is what a respectable and rational human being does. If something is no longer of use to me, but can be to someone else, then it is nonsensical for me to throw it away. In fact letting it go to waste just sounds plain cruel and psychopathic to me. Like burning money in front of the homeless. This is why I donate my clothes when I am finished with them. And this is why I hope to donate my organs in death, and even part of my liver in life.
Hopefully by the time I die organ donation will be a thing of the past as we will be able to just grow replacement organs.
Until that day though I am an organ donor. My reasoning is pretty much as simple as I am not going to need it so might as well give it to those who will.
Krejlooc is making me think maybe I should look into donating my body to science as well. No point in making my family pay to bury my ass.
Until that day though I am an organ donor. My reasoning is pretty much as simple as I am not going to need it so might as well give it to those who will.
Krejlooc is making me think maybe I should look into donating my body to science as well. No point in making my family pay to bury my ass.
It needs to be face down, with my feet pointing toward the end of the barrel. Chain a cinder block or something to my feet and around my legs. Bring my friends or whoever wants to be there, and fire the cannon. After I reach the top of the arc and start to descend, I'll be facing the shore with my arms free, flailing back and forth so it looks like I'm waving. Then I sink, the fish eat my flesh, and they can start a legend about a pirate being drowned out there. That will be my skeleton.
I know they can't do it but that's honestly what I'd like to have.
LT Snoshado
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Some of the replies in this thread make me sick. I can't believe I share the same air as some of you people.
If I'm dead and can still help people, then I'm going to by all means!
If I'm dead and can still help people, then I'm going to by all means!
User 479360
Banned
I figure that, although I'm a failure at life, something good will come out of me being here as I can donate blood, organs and bone marrow/tissue.
If someone came to me and said they needed a kidney right now, I'd offer to donate mine.
If someone came to me and said they needed a kidney right now, I'd offer to donate mine.
Fuck this notion. The ends justify the means. If someone winds up donating their organs because society pressures them, so be it.
King Gilga
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I used to be when I started riding people started making so many 'donorcycle' and similar jokes that I got sick of if and took myself off the list just to spite them.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
I don't even think I'm qualified to donate me organs because of my medical condition.
BananaPancake
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Yeah I wonder can you only donate if you do not have any medical conditions. Or does it depend on the parts I guess. I wonder...
This needs to be posted for the new pages:
I'm going to talk about it logically to you.
You have 1 "bad person" and 1 "good person". You have 2 deaths. 1 death is an organ donor and 1 isn't (say yours). Now the "bad person" is first on the list so he gets the organs from the first person. The "good person" dies because the 2nd death didn't donate their organs.
So while your organs may go to "someone that doesn't deserve it", your donation would increase the odds of "someone that deserves them" receiving organs, whether yours or someone else.
It's a numbers game.
I'm going to talk about it logically to you.
You have 1 "bad person" and 1 "good person". You have 2 deaths. 1 death is an organ donor and 1 isn't (say yours). Now the "bad person" is first on the list so he gets the organs from the first person. The "good person" dies because the 2nd death didn't donate their organs.
So while your organs may go to "someone that doesn't deserve it", your donation would increase the odds of "someone that deserves them" receiving organs, whether yours or someone else.
It's a numbers game.
Let them make that decision whether to use your organs for a patient that needs them, for scientific research. They have your medical history when they determine how your organs are to be used. Again, unless you have some life after death religious belief, what does it matter what's done with your organs? Even if most are thrown away due to some medical condition but some organ that isn't affected by your condition is used, then that validates the minimal effort you made to register in your life.
Or in the ideal world, and what I am advocating is an opt-out strategy then an opt-in strategy.
BananaPancake
Member
I get what your saying, it's a good point. Basically they'll decide it at the time with your medical records. It's better just to be registered just in case they can use them. I'm just curious though if there is information out there that states that people with certain medical conditions cannot register as an organ donor. Similar to when you give blood, there is a big form to fill out and there's a big list of reasons as to why they cannot accept certain people's blood.
The Albatross
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I'm an organ donor because of religious reasons.
As a gentile, are there any consistent views among Jews?
As a gentile, are there any consistent views among Jews?
infinit777
Member
Ah, i actually forgot about science!
Here is your answer:
It's determined upon death (or living donation), it doesn't exclude you from signing up, it just may exclude your donation posthumously.
But again, most likely still going to be used for scientific research.
As a gentile, are there any consistent views among Jews?
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