Why are you not willing to donate your organs?

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Simply put, it's my body and I don't wish for it to be defiled like that. It's similar to me asking why you don't want something unpleasant done to you -- like being anally penetrated -- despite being unconscious, sleeping, or dead. Both of these examples bring pleasure/benefit to someone else, but they're both disgusting, unpleasant acts that I wouldn't want done to me.

They should absolutely NOT make people donors by default, despite being able to opt-out. You'd basically be signing away your body at birth, with no control/decision in the matter.
I'm sorry, but freedom -- with one's body or otherwise -- should be an inherent birthright for humans, not something you have to opt in to once you're old enough to opt out of being a donor.
 
Consumer said:
Simply put, it's my body and I don't wish for it to be defiled like that. It's similar to me asking why you don't want something unpleasant done to you -- like being anally penetrated -- despite being unconscious, sleeping, or dead. Both of these examples bring pleasure/benefit to someone else, but they're both disgusting, unpleasant acts that I wouldn't want done to me.

They should absolutely NOT make people donors by default, despite being able to opt-out. You'd basically be signing away your body at birth, with no control/decision in the matter.
I'm sorry, but freedom -- with one's body or otherwise -- should be an inherent birthright for humans, not something you have to opt in to once you're old enough to opt out of being a donor.
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That's fair. I'm all for a new system where to be eligible to receive organs you have to be willing to donate. I'd say that's pretty fair too.
 
Tabris said:
I recently read an article that a province here in Canada is considering to reverse the condition of organ donation where it's presumed you're an organ donor unless you opt out, instead of the current opt in program that's common around most of the world (or at least Canada and the US, not sure about EU).[...]
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is it really the most common? I always thought the US was one of the very few countries using that system.
Well I guess it would be easy to figure out which country uses which system when you take a look at the black market situation. I'd imagine that opt-in countries have a far greater need for shady organ deals...

being from an opt-out country myself, I was always quite perplexed when I heard about waiting lists and black markets for organs (mostly on American television series).

I wonder, are there any papers on the correlation between opt-in systems and black markets?
 
H.Protagonist said:
That's fair. I'm all for a new system where to be eligible to receive organs you have to be willing to donate. I'd say that's pretty fair too.
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Me too, seems like it would be competently fair. If you don't want to donate your organs, than you shouldn't have organs donated to you. The only exception being to those that are unable to donate organs due to a medical reason, of course.
 
Aiustis said:
People die all the time; while I don't wish death on anyone or their offspring I certainly am not going to lend a helping hand in death to anyone I wouldn't help out in life. Even if it means they die. I've had relatives who needed donations that didn't get them; it happens.

If you could check off a list and say which people could get your organs I'd be okay with donating.

My other issue is the terribly inequality in the healthcare system that screws over poorer people who need organs; I'm also not willing to support that kind system.
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Unless you are suffering from some sort of mental illness, there is a huge gulf between "I don't like helping out someone I wouldn't associate with" and "I wish for anyone I wouldn't associate with to die."

That's not even exploring the fact that you'd happily let decent people die because it allowed you to avoid the risk of saving the life someone you "wouldn't associate with." Or the truly fucking monstrous notion that being the child of someone you "wouldn't associate with" means they should die rather than get your organ.

If you can't see how insane this is then I think there is an impenetrable barrier of delusion that I'm not going to be able to reason past.

Please explain how donating an organ to someone is helping "the system" rather than helping them. You only increase the possibility of rich people screwing over poor people in the organ transplant list (something not actually possible in how the list is run without some back door shenanigans) by keeping more viable organs out of the equation.

Positions like yours are why I literally laughed so hard I fell down when I was accused of "playing god" earlier in this thread by someone else because I criticized them. Because people like you are actually trying to play God (a cruel, vindictive God).

Consumer said:
Simply put, it's my body and I don't wish for it to be defiled like that. It's similar to me asking why you don't want something unpleasant done to you -- like being anally penetrated -- despite being unconscious, sleeping, or dead. Both of these examples bring pleasure/benefit to someone else, but they're both disgusting, unpleasant acts that I wouldn't want done to me.

They should absolutely NOT make people donors by default, despite being able to opt-out. You'd basically be signing away your body at birth, with no control/decision in the matter.
I'm sorry, but freedom -- with one's body or otherwise -- should be an inherent birthright for humans, not something you have to opt in to once you're old enough to opt out of being a donor.
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Do you know what is done to your body after you die even if you don't donate organs? When you're embalmed? You really shouldn't be so worried about this vague concept of "defiling". I think using my body to save another life is the greatest honor that could be done to it.

And I don't see how opting out because of a religious or other equally irrational belief is too big a burden. Other life-saving procedures that some have issue with are opt-out and the crazies seem to do fine with that.
 
LaserBuddha said:
Unless you are suffering from some sort of mental illness, there is a huge gulf between "I don't like helping out someone I wouldn't associate with" and "I wish for anyone I wouldn't associate with to die."

That's not even exploring the fact that you'd happily let decent people die because it allowed you to avoid he risk of saving the life someone you "wouldn't associate with." Or the truly fucking monstrous notion that being the child of someone you "wouldn't associate with" means you should die rather than get your organ.

If you can't see how insane this is then I think there is an impenetrable barrier of delusion that I'm not going to be able to reason past.

Please explain how donating an organ to someone is helping "the system" rather than helping them. You only increase the possibility of rich people screwing over poor people in the organ transplant list (something not actually possible in how the list is run without some back door shenanigans) by keeping more viable organs out of the equation.

Positions like yours are why I literally laughed so hard I fell down when I was accused of "playing god" earlier in this thread by someone else because I criticized them. Because people like you are actually trying to play God (a cruel, vindictive God).
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Reading this thread made me check my driver's license and yep, I'm an organ donor. :)

Might as well let some lucky soul get my beautiful, perfect organs when I don't need them anymore.

I might look into donating my body to science, too. Only with the condition that whoever's gonna science-up my body has to read a letter I write for them while I'm alive. I want them to get to know me before they cut me up.
 
RoyalFool said:
Oh I'm sure we can (and will) cram more of us on it, but at what cost? life on earth would be far better if there were fewer of us. Wouldn't have a huge hole in the o-zone for a start, don't really see how you can argue with it. I guess humans are going to be a bit biased.
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We are nowhere near any worry point
 
I'm scared that if my organs are spread around the world, benefiting other people, it will prevent me from rising up from the grave.
Imagine a Belmont gets my liver ? Fuck that.
 
Big Nikus said:
I'm scared that if my organs are spread around the world, benefiting other people, it will prevent me from rising up from the grave.
Imagine a Belmont gets my liver ? Fuck that.
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Simon went around collecting pieces of Dracula's body to defeat him in II. So if you are a dracula then those parts are probably safer hidden away in someone's body.

Personally I am putting my organs in canopic jars and having my family sealed in with me.
 
H.Protagonist said:
So you think genetic disorders are something...deserved or 'earned' via lifestyle? Somehow, somewhere down the line? I'm just trying to understand the thought process here.
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All bodies are different. People have weaknesses to certain foods and other factors in our environment. One that knows himself will avoid things that damage him. If your kidneys are weak, you should refrain from stuffing yourself with coke, for example. I know my body doesn't handle red meat well, so I avoid it.

It's not about being deserved or anything. It's just understand the facts about your body and living accordingly.
 
The Spoony Hou said:
All bodies are different. People have weaknesses to certain foods and other factors in our environment. One that knows himself will avoid things that damage him. If your kidneys are weak, you should refrain from stuffing yourself with coke, for example. I know my body doesn't handle red meat well, so I avoid it.

It's not about being deserved or anything. It's just understand the facts about your body and living accordingly.
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What does one do to cause their immune system is attacking their own body's cells and/or how do they live accordingly to that? There are a couple people close to me who are literally dying to know.
 
The Spoony Hou said:
All bodies are different. People have weaknesses to certain foods and other factors in our environment. One that knows himself will avoid things that damage him. If your kidneys are weak, you should refrain from stuffing yourself with coke, for example. I know my body doesn't handle red meat well, so I avoid it.

It's not about being deserved or anything. It's just understand the facts about your body and living accordingly.
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Avoiding things that put stress on organs that have genetic issues doesn't cure the actual problem. Even if you live the perfect life, you'll still die from something like polycystic kidneys without a transplant (among many, many, many other disorders people have zero control over). It's not a matter of not doing enough or not taking care of yourself. Does your philosophy, therefore, just boil down to 'these people aren't or weren't meant to be'?
 
H.Protagonist said:
Avoiding things that put stress on organs that have genetic issues doesn't cure the actual problem. Even if you live the perfect life, you'll still die from something like polycystic kidneys without a transplant (among many, many, many other disorders people have zero control over). It's not a matter of not doing enough or not taking care of yourself. Does your philosophy, therefore, just boil down to 'these people aren't or weren't meant to be'?
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Nah, if you avoid whatever your kryptonite is, you'll live forever. People only get sick by making bad choices.
 
I checked the boxes for each purpose except for education. Separate choices was new thing last time I renewed my driver's license and at the moment I considered it, I remembered my housemates in university.

When I renew my driver's license, I might as well check that last box. What do I care? I'm dead.

Lord Thrappleper The 49th said:
Cos they're my bloody organs. You'll take them over my dead body.
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That's the idea.
LaserBuddha said:
Do you know what is done to your body after you die even if you don't donate organs? When you're embalmed? You really shouldn't be so worried about this vague concept of "defiling". I think using my body to save another life is the greatest honor that could be done to it.
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TBH, I don't think I want to be embalmed, and I suppose that means no open-casket funeral for me. It's just unnecessary, and kinda gross.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
What does one do to cause their immune system is attacking their own body's cells and/or how do they live accordingly to that? There are a couple people close to me who are literally dying to know.
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I don't have to tell you that science probably doesn't understand why a bodies own immune system would turn against itself. They are free to follow whatever they believe, but I'd recommend looking into alternative treatments.

H.Protagonist said:
Avoiding things that put stress on organs that have genetic issues doesn't cure the actual problem. Even if you live the perfect life, you'll still die from something like polycystic kidneys without a transplant (among many, many, many other disorders people have zero control over). It's not a matter of not doing enough or not taking care of yourself. Does your philosophy, therefore, just boil down to 'these people aren't or weren't meant to be'?
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I never said anything about curing the actual problem. You accept who you are and live with it. If they want a transplant, then do it.

Now, this is very important, I'm not telling people how to live their lives. I live my life my way, they live it their way. You people are replying to me because you can't tolerate my way of life and are offended by it. I accept people are donating their organs, and people are receiving them. Can you accept I don't want to donate mine?
 
The Spoony Hou said:
I don't have to tell you that science probably doesn't understand why a bodies own immune system would turn against itself. They are free to follow whatever they believe, but I'd recommend looking into alternative treatments.



I never said anything about curing the actual problem. You accept who you are and live with it. If they want a transplant, then do it.

Now, this is very important, I'm not telling people how to live their lives. I live my life my way, they live it their way. You people are replying to me because you can't tolerate my way of life and are offended by it. I accept people are donating their organs, and people are receiving them. Can you accept I don't want to donate mine?
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I was responding to your earlier assertion that:

The Spoony Hou said:
...And I'd expect those people in suffering to understand they've caused harm to their bodies and that they might die because of it, as most of us do. Life is not without consequences.
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This implies they've done this to themselves and are therefore deserving of their situations somehow and seemed to be the linchpin of your argument against donating organs (or organ donation in general).

I have zero problem with you not donating, and I would expect by extension that you will not accept any organs should you need them. I don't agree with you, but that's a consistent approach/belief, at least. If you somehow think you are deserving of an organ because you believe you have taken better 'care' of yourself than these people with disorders, however, then quite frankly, I'd find you ridiculous among other things.


DarkHeartedKill said:
Me too, seems like it would be competently fair. If you don't want to donate your organs, than you shouldn't have organs donated to you. The only exception being to those that are unable to donate organs due to a medical reason, of course.
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I would say there should probably be an exception for children as well. To donate or not to donate is a decision in this system that would have to be a conscious one (not an opt out kind of thing), so kids should get a pass until they're 18 and able to make a decision for themselves.
 
I'm am disturbed by a lot of these responses. I really hope that people who don't donate organs are not having kids.

In my opinion, donating organs is a noble cause. You're actually doing something good for society.

I have a strong childfree idealogy, and mindless procreation makes the organ shortage an even bigger problem.
 
H.Protagonist said:
I have zero problem with you not donating, and I would expect by extension that you will not accept any organs should you need them. I don't agree with you, but that's a consistent approach/belief, at least. If you somehow think you are deserving of an organ because you believe you have taken better 'care' of yourself than these people with disorders, however, then quite frankly, I'd find you ridiculous among other things.
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Yes, I agree that, if I'm an asshole, then I'm an asshole. But since I've never said anything like that, I don't think you should infer that about me (or anybody else, for that matter). I assure you that, if one day I need an organ and I'm so terrified of dying that I'll take it, I'll donate my organs when I die. And no, I won't care about who will receive them.

Going back to the main topic, I was speaking more in general, but ok, let's say someone has polycystic kidneys. Something causes the kidneys to develop cysts. If scientists say it can't be predicted, it just means they can't, not that it's actually random. I'm sorry it's such a hard condition to live with, but I still believe one can live with that, if he knows what to do, or not do. I'll mention again, there are alternative treatments they are free to pursue. Maybe one can help.
 
I would never ever do it unless I consciously on a terminal state can take the decision by myself, why? Because corruption and inequality are something very alive and present within the health care system to be trusting my organs to them.
 
I'm in the UK and recently signed up online but haven't heard anything about it since. Shouldn't I have received an email or something? How will doctors know I'm a donor?
 
McGreevious said:
I'm in the UK and recently signed up online but haven't heard anything about it since. Shouldn't I have received an email or something? How will doctors know I'm a donor?
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I sighed up online yesterday (in Ireland) and they'll send me a card that I need to sign and carry with me. Unless there is some sort of database in the UK that doctors have access to you should probably have gotten a card too.
 
RoyalFool said:
Nope, and I'm against presumed consent. It's fairly common (too lazy to find source) that a lot of the time donors over here in the UK never get to donate due to clerical error or delays. So switching that around to an opt-out system would be a nightmare. They need to focus on getting the opt-in system working 100% of the time before they should even consider switching it.

As for my reasons, the world is over-populated enough already. Every time nature tries to fucking balance us with an epidemic we moan it's a catastrophe. We've created this whole society where nobody loses, where every death is a tragedy; all whilst we're killing every other inhabitant of the planet and burning up our last resources to maintain this shitty social construct we've all ignorantly live in. We're stupid, we spend billions on war to kill other people, then billions on drugs to stop other people from catching colds. All whilst our space program hasn't put a man on the moon in over 40 years, our ice caps are melting and we're still paying the stupidest people in society benefit money to out-breed the smartest.

So no, I won't donate my organs.
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There is so much wrong with this terrible post, but that part is the back-breaker.

I sure as hell hope people out-breed you, but following your assumption that the "stupidest" people are the ones who procreate, I guess that hope won't be fulfilled.
 
H.Protagonist said:
This. Anyone not willing to be a donor themselves should be bottom of the barrel priority when it comes to receiving organs.

And for those saying they don't want to give organs to people who don't take care of their bodies or bad people, spare a thought for the vast number of those like my sister who's going to go into renal failure probably in the next year through no fault of her own. Maybe you can't pick and choose who gets your stuff when you're dead, but one person's organs can save up to eight people, so surely if even one of those is someone like my sister, it's something worth doing.
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Oh I wouldn't want to decide who my organs go to. I'd say just because someone is selfish in that sense or has some religious reason not to give their organs doesn't make me not want to help them. Sure they might be hypocritical (accepting organs is ok but not giving them) but usually organ transplants are done in life or death situations and I don't want to go "nah nah you can't get my organs, go and die" even if they'd do the same to me if the places were reversed. Maybe they could even have a (sometimes literal I guess :P) change of heart and become organ donors after receiving one.
 
RoyalFool said:
Nope, and I'm against presumed consent. It's fairly common (too lazy to find source) that a lot of the time donors over here in the UK never get to donate due to clerical error or delays. So switching that around to an opt-out system would be a nightmare. They need to focus on getting the opt-in system working 100% of the time before they should even consider switching it.

As for my reasons, the world is over-populated enough already. Every time nature tries to fucking balance us with an epidemic we moan it's a catastrophe. We've created this whole society where nobody loses, where every death is a tragedy; all whilst we're killing every other inhabitant of the planet and burning up our last resources to maintain this shitty social construct we've all ignorantly live in. We're stupid, we spend billions on war to kill other people, then billions on drugs to stop other people from catching colds. All whilst our space program hasn't put a man on the moon in over 40 years, our ice caps are melting and we're still paying the stupidest people in society benefit money to out-breed the smartest.

So no, I won't donate my organs.
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I want to go out like that French or I think British philosopher and just let me rot on my bed.


Brahs, they crack open your chest, scoop out your organs and pump you full of jaundice juice when you die. Might as well give those bags of meat to someone who needs them.
 
McGreevious said:
I'm in the UK and recently signed up online but haven't heard anything about it since. Shouldn't I have received an email or something? How will doctors know I'm a donor?
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The Doctor will know, it will be right next to that little DNR order, perhaps.

Interestingly a good percentage of people with disabilities in the UK have DNR orders on their medical files, without consultation at that. Placed like a bounty over their heads.

One of the reasons why I actively encourage those with disabilities and mental health issues "not" to donate their organs, especially since most are excluded from receiving them in the first place. Becoming a donor puts them at further risk of having DNR slapped on them, unnecessarily.
 
Just in case resurrection technology is available soon after I die.

Also if my organs save someone's life I won't even get any credit if I'm dead.
 
Non organ donors should get much lower priority if the time comes for them to need someone elses organ.
 
Timedog said:
Non organ donors should get much lower priority if the time comes for them to need someone elses organ.
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As an organ donor I would only really begin to maybe agree with this if there were an opt-out system rather than opt-in. I don't want to punish people in need of an organ due to them not knowing they have to enroll. But even then I have some reservations for denying someone an organ because they themselves decided against donating their own. I'm personally not a donor under those sorts of stipulations.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
As an organ donor I would only really begin to maybe agree with this if there were an opt-out system rather than opt-in. I don't want to punish people in need of an organ due to them not knowing they have to enroll. But even then I have some reservations for denying someone an organ because they themselves decided against donating their own. I'm personally not a donor under those sorts of stipulations.
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Reservations why?
 
Timedog said:
Reservations why?
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Drilling down to the heart of it I do not believe human life can be measured, and thus I have a hard time applying stipulations that basically amount in my mind as "this person is more deserving in having a second shot." I didn't make the decision to donate my organs under the condition that it'd give me precedence over someone who chooses not to.
 
I never really considered the question. I know it's an issue and all but I'd rather just not think about my death and what follows. Maybe I'll leave the choice to my loved ones as the choice will have more impact on them than on me.

I am pretty adamant that I want to donate eggs though, but it's currently illegal. And while this was a very altruistic desire when I first got it, I have now realized that I can/should probably combine that with freezing if I would ever need for personal use.
 
Wow... some of the responses here are very frustrating.

Why save the life of multiple people when you can have your organs rot in the ground instead...

MikeDip said:
This is how it should be. Opt out instead of opt in. Totally for it.
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NoblesseOblige said:
Drilling down to the heart of it I do not believe human life can be measured, and thus I have a hard time applying stipulations that basically amount in my mind as "this person is more deserving in having a second shot." I didn't make the decision to donate my organs under the condition that it'd give me precedence over someone who chooses not to.
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The organ list is already a cold and calculating numbers game. It has to be since there are so few of them to go around. This would actually make things better and help your cause and thought.
 
MikeDip said:
The organ list is already a cold and calculating numbers game. It has to be since there are so few of them to go around. This would actually make things better and help your cause and thought.
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I don't know if you're agreeing, disagreeing, or neither. The transplant list being cold and calculating is how it should be as that's not assigning arbitrary number values to people but rather factual ones to situations based on our knowledge. At least, that's what my understanding of it is. Precedence is given to those who have the greatest chance at survival. If Jack, who is not a donor, has a 90% chance of survival following an organ transplant, meanwhile Jill, a donor who has a 50% chance, then I believe it would go to Jack. Not because Jack is 'more deserving', but because it's sensibly the best chance we have at saving a life.
 
I know plenty of people in my personal life who genuinely believe that if they were an organ donor and had something life threatening the doctors wouldn't take as good care of them so they can use the organs.
 
Lord Thrappleper The 49th said:
Cos they're my bloody organs. You'll take them over my dead body.
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I would hope that's how it would work out.

BronsonLee said:
I don't donate organs because I saw that movie Repo Men and I'm scared they'll come for me
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I like how your avatar kinda suites this post lol.

H.Protagonist said:
I would say there should probably be an exception for children as well. To donate or not to donate is a decision in this system that would have to be a conscious one (not an opt out kind of thing), so kids should get a pass until they're 18 and able to make a decision for themselves.
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O yeah, definitely. Also people with certain mental illnesses that could prevent them from making a conscious choice too. Only those cases I'd say are exempt.
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I know plenty of people in my personal life who genuinely believe that if they were an organ donor and had something life threatening the doctors wouldn't take as good care of them so they can use the organs.
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Really? Is organ transplant even 100 successful? How could people believe that a doctor would let someone die to perform a transplant that could fail? Seems odd to me.
 
I wouldn't because it's MY body and MY organs. It's honestly as simple as that.

Sure in a moral and practical sense, donating organs after you die is the way to go. But this is one of those instances where I feel perfectly fine being "selfish."
 
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