DontBeThatGuy
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They can take it all.
Why are you not willing to donate your organs?
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Aeriscloud
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I don't even want to be buried. Take my organs, and burn what is left.
LaserBuddha
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Organ donation threads are the new tipping threads.
The Incarnation
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Oh I'm fully aware of that. Generally found your bullying of other posters distasteful. The main reason I commented in the first place.
NoblesseOblige
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BronsonLee
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I'd certainly hope one is more clear cut than the other
that can be potentially pricey. It's easier to donate your body to science.
Aeriscloud
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I'm fine with that too. I don't need it.
But not one of those body, forensic, farm things please.
lmao you posted on the second page. Please show me my "bullying" posts before yours.
You're a terrible liar.
Yeah, I'm just saying you have to actually set it up. You need to contact a university or hospital, it's sort of a lengthy process. Not like being an organ donor, which is just checking a box.
Unlike organ donation, you get to stipulate where and how to use your body since you choose the organization to donate to. It's actually a great alternative for those who say "I want to choose where my organs go!"
But, again, you need to set it up yourself before death. It's not like they can shop your body around after you expire. Contact a local university, college, or hospital and they can point you in the right direction to start looking around.
He should take pics of the cup and add hashtags so we can get all jealous and shit.
Bearjewpiter
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Mwahaha, now since this one dude is close to death we can let him die so we can do all the necessary paperwork as to why he died under our care, then if we're found negligent then we're going to be brought before a medical board and maybe lose our licenses, but instead, since we're evil doctors we can just give all these fresh civilian organs to our Dark Lord of socialized healthcare. Mwahaha.
But I seriously am wondering the same thing. The vast majority of doctors and nurses who will be the ones trying to save the big bag or organs, that is you, alive have no bigger agenda than trying to keep you perfusing oxygen correctly. They don't work for big brother or whoever else is the one "pulling the strings" today. They can barley keep up working their long ass shifts while maintaining a personal life, the idea that they have all this extra time to hang out and fuck people over is just ridiculous.
I believe part of the reluctance is that your organs are the most personal possessions you ever have. More so than your car, your home, or even your own family. All of those can be lost or taken away, but your organs are literally you. They belong to you and always have from the moment you were formed. So having someone else dictate or tell you what to do with such things is really off-putting.
There is a saying, "you can't take your money with you."
That applies to every single possession you have, your organs included.
Further - the fact that organ donation is a thing is proof that, no, your organs are not you, and no, they won't always be with you. Because these people who need them have lost their organs, yet continue to exist.
If my liver fails, and I get a new organ, I won't suddenly feel like I'm not longer myself.
I support this move. I would donate my organs but I have never gone to register, but this move would save me the trouble. Speaking of donation, I have heard that there aren't enough healthy brains to compare to diseased brains for research, so I would like to donate mine whether or not it's healthy.
Chainsawkitten
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In Sweden all I had to do was go online and check two checkboxes:
☑ Transplantation
☑ Science
NoblesseOblige
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That doesn't really answer the question of why someone isn't willing to make the decision themselves, just that they don't like someone else making it for them. Which I can sort of understand and is why they should be given the reason to opt-out. I won't understand their decision but I agree they have the right to make it.
I wonder what other countries have it as easy as that. I wish it was like that here in the US.
LaserBuddha
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Of all the reasons not to do it, looking at an optional donation as someone trying to tell you what to do is among the worst.
It's not really what you "do" because you don't do anything after you're dead. Either some mortician is removing your organs and trashing them to prepare you for burial, or some doctor is removing your organs and saving someone's life with them. Either way you don't have any real involvement at that point. And really, you don't own anything if you don't exist, even your organs.
I think if we just took people to meet someone who was seriously ill and needing a transplant, making all that emotion real and immediate to them rather than distant and vague like it is in an Internet discussion, they'd stop thinking of their choice of organ donation as being about themselves. It's like wanting to be buried with all of your money, but with worse consequences.
Or if they knew a recipient personally. Am I abnormal in that many people in my family have had donor organs, or died waiting for one?
NoblesseOblige
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I haven't personally known an organ recipient. But a lung transplant could have saved my aunt.
"It's my body" isn't an answer to "why don't you donate organs?"
That doesn't explain why you don't want to, which is what the topic is about.
LaserBuddha
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I don't know how common it is, but it's an easy exercise in empathy to "get it" when it comes to this topic. But you probably feel it more intensely than others.
I would think so as well. Many of my friends are organ donors too, and I don't know if they have a history.
George Best says hello.
In the UK the criteria for not being offered a transplant are-
severe malnutrition and muscle wasting.
an infection.
AIDS.
a serious heart and/or lung condition.
a serious mental health or behavioural condition, such as psychosis or bipolar disorder, (this does not include addictions).
advanced liver cancer.
As long as you don't drink or do drugs for a few months before you are on the list and once it's yours there is no further safeguard against misuse.
So donate your body to science. Letting your body rot in the ground is selfish.
LaserBuddha
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So you won't be offered a transplant if you are bi-polar? That sounds bizarre. Any mental health disqualification seems bizarre and cruel barring those who are trying to kill themselves at the earliest opportunity, I guess.
It's my body is my answer. I'm under no obligation to donate my organs. What, did you want some incredibly inventive answer?
Essentially it's 'are you mentally capable of taking care of yourself and taking the necessary medications following the transplant?'
NoblesseOblige
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Again, that's not an answer why you won't. You're answering why you shouldn't be required to which is something basically everyone here agrees to.
Man, some people suck at answering what's being asked of them.
You're explaining why you feel ownership over your organs. You're not explaining why you won't give them away after death. Of course it's your body. That's not in contention.
Chainsawkitten
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You don't have a legal obligation but you do have a moral obligation.
God Dayumm
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Or donate it to the arts. A taxidermy museum with animal heads on human bodies would be most spectacular
Some people suck at just taking the answers given to them. I don't believe that people should be obligated to donate organs, and it never interested me. That the end of my reasoning. Some of the answers you get in life are not earth-shattering. If my answer frustrates you, move on.
I think there's only six of those and you have to explicitly offer your body for donation to it to even be considered.
NoblesseOblige
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Since you're just one more to have ignored my previous question. Let's try a different one. Since you're not willing to donate your organ to be transplanted into another person, are you also unwilling to give it to the science/medical community so that they may use it to advance their field? If not, why?
Alright, got it. You don't have an answer.
Your non-answer frustrates us, but it's ok, we know the real answer.
You're inability to understand that people have preferences just bewilders me. Are you expecting people to refuse donating your organs because of financial, philosophical, or some other deep meaning? Some do, others don't? I want to keep my organs when I die. That's kind of it.
LaserBuddha
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People know that your organs are removed anyway for a traditional burial, right?
Do people really think not having to save people's lives at no cost to themselves is a reason to not save people's lives at no cost to themselves? I would think even a sociopath would have a practical reason not to....
The thing is, you can't actually have a preference for something without a reason. The cognitive dissonance is probably what people find interesting about that.
You are either getting buried or cremated, either way you will not have your organs.
Do people really think not having to save people's lives at no cost to themselves is a reason to not save people's lives at no cost to themselves? I would think even a sociopath would have a practical reason not to....
People understand that people have preferences. You are stating, if I get this right, that you prefer not to for literally no reason at all.
The thing is, you can't actually have a preference for something without a reason. The cognitive dissonance is probably what people find interesting about that.
You are either getting buried or cremated, either way you will not have your organs.
NoblesseOblige
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Yes, we get what you want. But why is what we're after? Are you not capable of self-reflecting to determine that, or are you simply choosing not to?
Snkfanatic
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That's what a forum is about...discussing things. Your answer is basically pointless.
It boiled down to "I don't wanna"
People arrive at preferences because of reasons. They can be nonsensical, they can be selfish, they can be whatever. The topic is asking you what reasons influenced your preferences. If you are honestly telling me you have no reason for your preference, then, yes, I flat out don't believe you.
Were you truly to have a preference with no reasoning behind it - perhaps because you'd never considered the issue - then logically you should be open to sway and reason. This topic is full of it.
You have some reason for your preference, but you clearly don't wish to share it. I don't particularly care what your reason is, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
To answer your second question - no, I wouldn't accept any reason. Because they all come at the expensive of others. I think people who choose not to donate are selfish people.
Are you seriously going to tell me that people have never responded with "I just never had an interest" on NeoGAF of all places? Give me a break. On the issue of organ donation, I just never wanted to. That's it. Whether it a "good answer" or not is up to you. Not that I will lose sleep over it. If you asked me a question about taxation, or DLCs in video games, or something else, my answers would vary. Not every response is going to be something incredibly detailed or essay-length. I'm really surprised at why you guys are so bothered by a simple response.
You could be a politician with those question answering skills.
You make it sound so easy. You need to actually convince the doctors that you have no intention of starting again, and it's not a case of going on the list and instantly getting a transplant, some are on the list for months/years by which point they probably aren't trying to trick the system into getting a free organ so they can return to fucking themselves up, they're kicked off as soon as they start smoking/drinking again
NoblesseOblige
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Then why did you post if you didn't have a reason? Christ, it's like a child:
"I don't want to go to the school."
"Why is that?"
"Because I don't want to."
"Why don't you want to go to school?"
"Because I don't want to go to school."
How is that an answer in your head.
Edit: At the very least you can answer with "I never though of it." At least answering with that you're ignorant is sort of an answer.
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