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Why aren't the techies embracing the DS?

I assumed the "techies" weren't excited about the DS because the DS isn't as fancy a gadget as the PSP. Techies always seem to latch on to the most elaborate new doohickey, usually when the mass market ignores it entirely (see laser discs, Beta, 3D0, Jaguar, Lynx, bad CGI, the minidisc, etc.) The love and support of the "techie"/gadget/___-o-phile crowd is really rather meaningless when it comes to any new device. The mass market buys what it thinks best suits its needs, whether techies love or hate it.

"Techies" are like the early adopter crowd for nearly any console release... a small group of folks will buy ANY new trinket that is released, no matter how stupid that might be in the long run. The really annoying ones will then be prepared to sprinkle elitist rhetoric whenever someone buys/displays/discusses one of the "inferior" items in that group. See the iPod/iRiver/etc. discussions to see some lovely exchanges between Apple zealots, gadget-o-philes, and everyone else.
 
Drensch said:
Drohne, check.
Drinky, check.
Raoul, check.
Terrene, check.

Do you guys get a talking points fax when a Nintendo thread is posted? Who is the nintentroll's Karl Rove?
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We are motivated purely by a passion for gimp-free gaming. Dude, it's a thread about the DS's shortcomings. I own a DS, and I play it a lot, but I also hate what a half-assed, bulky piece of hardware it is, and how it doesn't do anything but play games. I wish to god they'd get a decent DS emulator running on the PSP. That would own.
 
Drinky Crow said:
You could use the PSP's analog pleasure nub as a pseudo-stylus. It'd work fine for Nintendogs!
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can't lift it up from one point of the screen and put it down on the other side. you'd also lose the speed of your hand movement.

analog pleasure nub as a pseudo-stylus == shit stylus

Also, this is less of an issue, but what about the microphone?

DS emulator on the PSP is a laughable concept.




Continue with your DS bashing however.
 
terrene said:
We are motivated purely by a passion for gimp-free gaming. Dude, it's a thread about the DS's shortcomings. I own a DS, and I play it a lot, but I also hate what a half-assed, bulky piece of hardware it is, and how it doesn't do anything but play games. I wish to god they'd get a decent DS emulator running on the PSP. That would own.
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God, you're dumb. I don't even know where to begin.
 
oh yeah, and that "bulky hardware" comment is hilarious. Of course the DS is a brick, there's no denying it, but the PSP hasn't got a get out of jail free card for that either.
 
mj1108 said:
I don't even know where to begin.
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You could start at the very beginning; that's a very good place to start.
When you read you begin with A B C,
When you post you begin with "#$&%@ DRINKY!"

Ok. I've run out of ideas.
 
I dont see why "NBOTS" or anyone else need to prove why game a is 'fundamentaly' more fun than game b. It just so happens that Dawn of Sorrow, Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, Trauma Center and Advance Wars Dual Strike are on DS and not on PSP and no amount of bitching will change that.

I haven't touched my PSP in about 2 months but you don't see me making 5 threads a day about it.

Now what if all those games that I STILL play on my DS were on the PSP instead with better graphics and all that jazz? Would that have been cooler? Maybe. Is it reality? No. And with Phoenix Wright, Mario Kart and *yes* Animal Crossing DS, I'd sooner be sticking to the DS rather than PSP's dry launch squedual. I've never been a huge fan of GTA, Burnout and EA's sports games, can you blaim me?

PS. Sorry for derailing the topic. Anyway to answer the original question, obviously the DS is a lot less tech capable than the PSP which can run emulators and fucking windows 95 last I heard.
 
jaundicejuice said:
xavean1 is the first user I've added to my ignore list.

You can stab out your eyes, but not your minds eye.
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eh? what was it?

And why bother ignoring him if he has already been promptly banned?
 
Scrow said:
analog pleasure nub as a pseudo-stylus == shit stylus

Also, this is less of an issue, but what about the microphone?

DS emulator on the PSP is a laughable concept.

Continue with your DS bashing however.
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Who gives a fuck about the fucking stylus? Why do you think most of the DS games make use of the stylus completely optional?

Would I need a stylus to play Mario 64? Advance Wars? Mr Driller? Everything in Castlevania except sealing, for which the analog nub would be adequate? No, I wouldn't.

The dual screen could easily be re-rendered as side by side images, as the two screens are always showing discrete images and don't require vertical continuity. (i.e. there's a map on one, actual game on another). Did you know the PSP can handle that in it's native resolution with no downscaling? It can!

Sorry, dude. The DS can easily be emulated, and it will be, and the gameplay isn't going to suffer at all because nobody likes the stylus. Realistically, it probably won't be on the PSP because the CPU probably isn't beefy enough to do it playably. But oh how awesome that would be. Just imagine: the brighter screen, the lighter load in your bag, the comfort of the PSP. Sounds like heaven. Looks like it's a long ways off, though.
 
terrene said:
Who gives a fuck about the fucking stylus? Why do you think most of the DS games make use of the stylus completely optional?

Would I need a stylus to play Mario 64? Advance Wars? Mr Driller? Everything in Castlevania except sealing, for which the analog nub would be adequate? No, I wouldn't.

The dual screen could easily be re-rendered as side by side images, as the two screens are always showing discrete images and don't require vertical continuity. (i.e. there's a map on one, actual game on another).

Sorry, dude. The DS can easily be emulated, and it will be, and the gameplay isn't going to suffer at all because nobody likes the stylus. Realistically, it probably won't be on the PSP because the CPU probably isn't beefy enough to do it playably. But oh how awesome that would be. Just imagine: the brighter screen, the lighter load in your bag, the comfort of the PSP. Sounds like heaven. Looks like it's a long ways off, though.
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Haha. Good DS emulation.

This thread is great.
 
terrene said:
Who gives a fuck about the fucking stylus? Why do you think most of the DS games make use of the stylus completely optional?

Would I need a stylus to play Mario 64? Advance Wars? Mr Driller? Everything in Castlevania except sealing, for which the analog nub would be adequate? No, I wouldn't.

The dual screen could easily be re-rendered as side by side images, as the two screens are always showing discrete images and don't require vertical continuity. (i.e. there's a map on one, actual game on another).

Sorry, dude. The DS can easily be emulated, and it will be, and the gameplay isn't going to suffer at all because nobody likes the stylus. Realistically, it probably won't be on the PSP because the CPU probably isn't beefy enough to do it playably. But oh how awesome that would be. Just imagine: the brighter screen, the lighter load in your bag, the comfort of the PSP. Sounds like heaven. Looks like it's a long ways off, though.
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I want my 20 seconds back ...
 
There is one Working DS Emulator out and when I say working I mean 10FPS and only a few games work on it... Goldeneye, Tiger Woods, Some of the E3 Demos and thats about it, oh and they have no Sound to.

There is a link to it in Zeo's Post
 
i don't know that psp could emulate ds adequately, but a pc-based ds emulator would make an actual ds so unnecessary. i was hoping a good ds emulator would surface in time for dawn of sorrow. :(
 
VOOK said:
There is one Working DS Emulator out and when I say working I mean 10FPS and only a few games work on it... Goldeneye, Tiger Woods, Some of the E3 Demos and thats about it, oh and they have no Sound to.
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The DS has only been out for a year. They've only recently learned how to dump commercial roms.
 
Scrow said:
oh yeah, and that "bulky hardware" comment is hilarious. Of course the DS is a brick, there's no denying it, but the PSP hasn't got a get out of jail free card for that either.
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Well, as the Rolling Stones say, "Two's a crowd."
 


And I can Run other Games if you dont beleive... But like I said 10FPS and No Sound
 
I'd actually prefer a mouse for pretty much EVERY stylus-enabled game. Theoretically, couldn't you make a mouse for the PSP USB connection?
 
A mouse isn't as accurate as a stylus. I would never wanna play a game like Canvas Curse with a mouse. It makes no sense at all. And a mouse isn't a practical input device for a portable system because you're stuck having to find a flat surface if you wanna play.
 
terrene said:
Would I need a stylus to play Mario 64? Advance Wars? Mr Driller? Everything in Castlevania except sealing, for which the analog nub would be adequate? No, I wouldn't.
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well of course it sounds like a great idea if you're going to be selective to push your own agenda.

terrene said:
The dual screen could easily be re-rendered as side by side images, as the two screens are always showing discrete images and don't require vertical continuity. (i.e. there's a map on one, actual game on another).
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well actually, I've seen screens for some games that do require that vertical continuity, but of course you're being selective for your own agenda, so why stop now right?

terrene said:
Did you know the PSP can handle that in it's native resolution with no downscaling? It can!
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No, I didn't know that.

terrene said:
But oh how awesome that would be. Just imagine: the brighter screen, the lighter load in your bag, the comfort of the PSP. Sounds like heaven.
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I thought it was already decided that the PSP is as much a brick as the DS...

terrene said:
Well, as the Rolling Stones say, "Two's a crowd."
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I don't see how that addresses the bulkiness of the PSP.

Drinky Crow said:
I'd actually prefer a mouse for pretty much EVERY stylus-enabled game. Theoretically, couldn't you make a mouse for the PSP USB connection?
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heh, good one drinky. that's conjures up some pretty funny images of some poor sap on a train trying to play emulated DS games on his PSP with a mouse. :lol
 
Drinky Crow said:
I'd actually prefer a mouse for pretty much EVERY stylus-enabled game. Theoretically, couldn't you make a mouse for the PSP USB connection?
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If you prefer a mouse then you'll be at home with the new revolution controller which is even more accurate and faster than the mouse. The truth is now out, I always suspected that Drinky Crow was Nintendo's illegitimate child, now this is obvious from his implied liking of the pc mouse/revolution controller. I bet drinky will be 1st in the long queue at EB games on Revolution launch day!!!
:lol :lol :lol
 
SaucerEyedMurder said:
Techies like the PSP because they like fixing things and the PSP's shoddy quality promises a veritable feast of fix-it opportunities.

They also thoroughly enjoy overpaying so paying $250 for a poorly built portable Dreamcast Plus that's incapble of running a nice looking 3D game is like a dream come true.
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You must be a Techie mind reader!!!

:D :lol
 
Zer0 said:
sorry but im still waiting for the ds to make games lik tobal n2,vagrant history,gran turismo i dont see the ds as a improved psone
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...and many people still think Saturn was stronger then PS1 and PS1 more powerfull then N64...
DS basically combines most of the best features of all PS1 era machines, it's not really a contest.

Drinky Crow said:
no, it's about graphics, sound, and enough horsepower to enable modern game experiences as well as seriously enhance classic ones.
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Now if we only had a bright LCD with a decent refresh rate for those...
 
Adding stuff just for the heck of it isn't a plan for success - sometimes you need focus, and to me DS doesn't have focus. but Nintendo pull it off because it has the same bloodline of games that made the GBA a required purchase, and the GBC before that....


personally I find the stylus is a useful addition, because thats the one thing that broadens its horizons - its just natural to use for 'non-gamers'. Stuff like nintendogs, brain training etc. Can all be done with a cursor, but a touch screen is simpler and more natural. Microphone is also good to have.

But thats about it. No reason at all to have two screens. Only thing I can think of is that its there so you can still see something when using the touchscreen as a crap analog stick. Simple solution? Have an analog stick(!)


The ideal machine is halfway between PSP and DS. Add a touchscreen and mic to PSP, or add an analog stick and drop the 2nd screen from the DS. Bingo.
 
Drinky Crow said:
Really? Is Advance Wars DS really that much more fundamentally fun than Advance Wars 1&2 on the GBA? Is DoS just that more fundamentally fun than Aria of Sorrow? Canvas Curse moreso than Magic Mirror? Meteos moreso than, well, every other addictive puzzle game out there with standard controls, like Lumines or Puzzle Fighter or Magical Drop? Cuz I ain't seein' it.
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Personally, i think you are missing out on good things due to blind hatred, but that seems to be floating your boat, and thats just fine.
 
DSXBoy said:
If you prefer a mouse then you'll be at home with the new revolution controller which is even more accurate and faster than the mouse. The truth is now out, I always suspected that Drinky Crow was Nintendo's illegitimate child, now this is obvious from his implied liking of the pc mouse/revolution controller. I bet drinky will be 1st in the long queue at EB games on Revolution launch day!!!
:lol :lol :lol
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Drinky is totally gay for Nintendo.
 
borghe said:
HIGHLY debatable. PSP is literally a portable playstation. if you were tired of the franchises on the PS2 you will be tired of them on the PSP.

DS is entirely new for the most part. Yoshi, Feel the Magic, Kirby, Trauma Center, Meteos, Animal Crossing (4 player online version that is), and of course, all hail the dogs. entirely new games and entirely new ways of playing the games.

PSP has some good games, but equally is hardly a word I would use to compare the two.
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The games you mentioned with the exception of Trauma Center and Meteos are all franchise rehashes with a twist In game play. All systems as well as portables get rehashes.
 
Sorry, dude. The DS can easily be emulated, and it will be, and the gameplay isn't going to suffer at all because nobody likes the stylus. Realistically, it probably won't be on the PSP because the CPU probably isn't beefy enough to do it playably. But oh how awesome that would be. Just imagine: the brighter screen, the lighter load in your bag, the comfort of the PSP. Sounds like heaven. Looks like it's a long ways off, though.
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Use a DS If you want to play its games so passionately. Is that simple, it´s an actual hardware that you can find everywhere.

he games you mentioned with the exception of Trauma Center and Meteos are all franchise rehashes with a twist In game play. All systems as well as portables get rehashes.
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Nintendogs and Feel the Magic are not rehashes.

For god´s sake, why don´t you ask for sticky a PSP Vs DS thread. It´s becoming tiring to find PSP Vs Ds battles in every thread barely related with the issue.
 
Sgt. Killjoy said:
Personally, i think you are missing out on good things due to blind hatred, but that seems to be floating your boat, and thats just fine.
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Well Drinky has a point regarding the need for the stylus with those games. I don't see where he is criticising the quality of the games themselves.

It must be galling for GBA:SP owners who aren't interested in stylus or dual screen gaming, that they are effectively forced to upgrade their hardware to get the next in an anticipated franchise, which has been squeezed onto DS more due to greed than need (Advance Wars I only play with the d-pad for example, and I'd have been happy to play it on GBA:SP)
 
modojojo said:
The games you mentioned with the exception of Trauma Center and Meteos are all franchise rehashes with a twist In game play. All systems as well as portables get rehashes.
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kirby is in no way a rehash and to say so means you haven't even played it for even 1 minute. That's like saying Mario 64 is a rehash on the mario game or (for the non-nintendo fan) 3D Madden is a rehash on 2D Madden. Likewise with Yoshi, it has very little to do with Yoshi's Island or any of the Yoshi platformers. Feel the Magic is the first in it's series only now just getting a sequel, and Animal Crossing I qualified by mentioning the online aspect of it which changes much of the game quite significantly. So all of these (except animal crossing) are new games (even if some are built on existing IPs) and all utilize the DS to bring some fundamental feature of that system to the forefront.
 
I'm seeing some great logic in this thread. Let me see if I can sum up:

"I hate the DS because I love the PSP...but the DS has great games, and I want to play them...but not on the DS, because I hate it...I need an emulator...which will work fine even without a stylus or mic...because I hate them, so they're stupid...the analog nub is better...I like to rub it...

Hmmm...what did I forget? Oh, yeah:

"The DS is a brick, while the larger, heavier PSP is a dreamy pocket sex machine."
 
The DS is actually heavier and larger than the PSP, but only slightly moreso. When someone says the DS is a heavy POS brick vs the super-light PSP, you know he's talking out of his ass.

Drohne, I don't see how a PC emulating the DS would make it unnecessary. There's still a little thing called portability.

Terrene, Sonic Rush is at least one game that has that vertical continuity you mentioned. I don't know if there are any others out there.
 
Jado said:
Terrene, Sonic Rush is at least one game that has that vertical continuity you mentioned. I don't know if there are any others out there.
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We have yet to get a killer app that will use the 2nd screen in a killer way, for now it has only been a nice to have feature. But these games are on the horizon. When Metroïd Prime Hunter Online is released, it will be easy to understand the goodness of having a second screen. For many game genres the touchscreen concept is ideally complemented by a second screen (the Brain Games & Monkey Ball pop up to my mind).
 
Advance Wars: Dual Strike wouldn't work on GBA. There are 2 front battles, which do need to be show at the same time. For two ground battles, constantly switching the maps would be horribly confusing. Also, some maps require you to send air units to the sky above. Again, constantly switching between those maps would make you lose your focus. Also, you couldn't tell where your air units would end up on the top screen in relation to enemy units. Under normal circumstances, the second screen really provides helpful information for better gameplay. I wouldn't want to constantly pull up menus just to retrieve the information that is better displayed on its own screen.

Yes, an Advance Wars sequel could work on GBA, but not with the new features included in Dual Strike.

Terrene, Sonic Rush is at least one game that has that vertical continuity you mentioned. I don't know if there are any others out there.
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Also Yoshi Touch & Go, and some minigames in Wario Ware: Touched.
 
I use the PSP as a multimedia device 1st, and a game playing device 2nd, as a bonus really. The reason I don't mess w/ the DS is because it doesn't really seem to excel at anything. 3D is underwhelming, multimedia features are next to none, the screens are too small... Plus it's larger than it needs to be.

My 5 year old wants one though.
 
I thank the creator of this thread for making my day. PSP fanboys, you're trying too hard. You're actually making DS fanboys feeling good about themselves because you're only feeding 'DS has better games' with arguments like 'it could be emulated' and 'plays better with a mouse'. And that also goes for the DS control scheme, 'you could also do it with the nub'. Don't make me feel ashamed of owning a PSP damned!
 
Scrow said:
well of course it sounds like a great idea if you're going to be selective to push your own agenda.

well actually, I've seen screens for some games that do require that vertical continuity, but of course you're being selective for your own agenda, so why stop now right?

No, I didn't know that.

I thought it was already decided that the PSP is as much a brick as the DS...

I don't see how that addresses the bulkiness of the PSP.
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Only a complete asshole would honestly think that someone who sees DS emulation as possible has an "agenda."

Take a deep breath. Listen to me now. The stylus sucks. Okay? It sucks. Bad. It is never used in a way I give a shit about, and I always skip using it whenever possible in every DS game I own. I hate it, it doesn't "enhance" shit. Many find it akward to use, and that's why the game devs make it optional 99% of the time. Thank you.

And what games require vertical continuity? If you say Mr. Driller, I'll punch you in the neck.

heh, good one drinky. that's conjures up some pretty funny images of some poor sap on a train trying to play emulated DS games on his PSP with a mouse. :lol
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Can't be any worse than pulling out that fruity little wand. At least people are used to seeing a mouse. Not that anyone is actually proposing that the PSP has the muscle to emulate the DS. (I could accuse you of "being selective to advance your agenda" but that would make me sound, you know, retarded.)

Dude, I like my DS, what the fuck is up with you defensive fucking religious nuts? In your heart of hearts do you really believe the DS is un-emulatable? Nintendo wrote a fucking emulator for it.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
I use the PSP as a multimedia device 1st, and a game playing device 2nd, as a bonus really. The reason I don't mess w/ the DS is because it doesn't really seem to excel at anything. 3D is underwhelming, multimedia features are next to none, the screens are too small... Plus it's larger than it needs to be.

My 5 year old wants one though.
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woah you finally got unbanned after a year or so!!!
 
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