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why do people like iTunes?

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mrklaw

MrArseFace
I honestly can't seem to get on with it, and much prefer Windows Media Player 10. Lots of people seem to hate that, and I wanted to find out why.

For me, WMP easily lets you select either all songs, or all songs by an artist, or all songs in an album - i.e. you can drill down as little or as far as you want.

iTunes seems to only let me show all songs, and simply sort by artist/album etc (which you can do in WMP all songs view anyway).

Am I missing something? Is there an easy way to view or play one artist, or one album in iTunes?
 
You can just use the little search feature that iTunes has to display a singular artist or album.

There is also the browser you can use, which is the exact same thing WMP 10 has. Go to Edit>Show Browser.
 

AniHawk

Member
mrklaw said:
I honestly can't seem to get on with it, and much prefer Windows Media Player 10. Lots of people seem to hate that, and I wanted to find out why.

For me, WMP easily lets you select either all songs, or all songs by an artist, or all songs in an album - i.e. you can drill down as little or as far as you want.

iTunes seems to only let me show all songs, and simply sort by artist/album etc (which you can do in WMP all songs view anyway).

Am I missing something? Is there an easy way to view or play one artist, or one album in iTunes?

Maybe it's different for Windows, but I can organize by song, album, artist, time, my rating, play count, and last played with one click of the mouse. I can also just type in the artist/album I want to listen to specifically.
 

Dante

Member
well iTunes is a doubl;le edge sword for me, I like the clean interface, and ratings, but the Maya takes a performance hit when iTunes is open, so I usually just use WinAmp. when listening to music while working.
 

Mr Gump

Banned
Its good for searching for songs but it doesnt have (or to my knowledge) presets like winamp which in turn doesnt sound as good on my system. Give me a dance preset!
 

IntestineBoy

Sasquatch of 1000 (hairy) colons
I use iTunes for my iPod management, but that's it. I play music through Winamp, which I've used since day one. I know people like simplicity, so I can see why iTunes is popular, but for me, I like my Winamp, it makes me feel more bad ass.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Mr Gump said:
Its good for searching for songs but it doesnt have (or to my knowledge) presets like winamp which in turn doesnt sound as good on my system. Give me a dance preset!

It has hella presets, dance is in there. Shit, you can make your own, and you can command specific songs or entire albums to use a different preset everytime, which is very cool.
 

Mr Gump

Banned
scola said:
It has hella presets, dance is in there. Shit, you can make your own, and you can command specific songs or entire albums to use a different preset, which is very cool.
Hmm, well i never came across that before :p
 

AniHawk

Member
scola said:
It has hella presets, dance is in there. Shit, you can make your own, and you can command specific songs or entire albums to use a different preset everytime, which is very cool.

What?
 

Macam

Banned
Mr Gump said:
Its good for searching for songs but it doesnt have (or to my knowledge) presets like winamp which in turn doesnt sound as good on my system. Give me a dance preset!

You mean an equalizer preset? Select the song you want, hit Ctrl+I (Apple+I on Macs), go to the Options tab, and set Preset Equalizer to Dance. For multiple songs, just select them, hit Ctrl+I, and there's the Equalizer Preset at the bottom.

Regarding the OP, to browse, you can either bring up the browser when your Library is selected by hitting the Browse button in the top right corner (or Edit > Show Browser), you can use the Search field next to the Browser button, or you can simply select the column header (such as Song Title) that you want to search in and type the first few letters of the artist, album, etc. The arrows on the right side of each column header indicates how it's being sorted; either A-Z or Z-A.
 

Wendo

Vasectomember
iTunes can't hold a candle to WMP10 in terms of playback quality. It also lacks SRS WOW, which makes a huge difference (especially on headphones).
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
AniHawk said:
You can give individual songs or groups of songs automatic equalizer overides. so if you usually keep it on dance but want your Ry Cooder album on acoustic everytime you play it, so be it.

You can also assign individual volume adjustments that only affect the song when its played and not the file itself.
 

AniHawk

Member
scola said:
You can give individual songs or groups of songs automatic equalizer overides. so if you usually keep it on dance but want your Ry Cooder album on acoustic everytime you play it, so be it.

You can also assign individual volume adjustments that only affect the song when its played and not the file itself.

Oooooooh yeah, that.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
thanks for the browser thing. Don't know why that wasn't on by default. Still think I prefer wmp, but I want to play with iTunes smart playlists.

I actually find winamp really clumsy from an idiot user point of view. I'm sure if you've grown up with it, or are a power user, its great. I never got the appeal of that either.
 
I kicked iTunes off my puter the minute I found out that the bastard runs 2 seperate processes that eat up like 8MB of RAM for no goddamned reason EVEN WHEN I NEVER LAUNCH THE SUNOVABITCH.

WMP10 does everything I want, and if I want something even more efficient, I run Foobar.
 

Jotaro

Banned
And if you think the interface of Foobar2000 sucks (it does), first, it's not it's emphasis, and virtually everywhere else it's better than the competition, second, it's totally free, third, like Shogmaster said, it's more efficient than anything else (at first I also tought I could not use anything else than Winamp), and fourth, well there are skins for it. :)


As people spam Comic threads with Perry Bible comics, as people troll Ipods threads with Iriver or Creative zealotism, as people troll console threads with blatant fanboyism, and as people spam spyware and Internet Explorer threads with Firefox, I think it would be really fair to spam mp3 player software threads with links to Foobar2k. :lol

http://www.foobar2000.org/

ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN, TELL TCHAIKOVSKI THE NEWS! :lol
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Its a bit silly all the different versions that you might need to maintain, depending on your needs.

eg, i'm considering getting an ipod. So for me, I'd need the following on my PC:

iTunes - just for syncing with ipod
WMP - my preferred player when I'm at my PC
Winamp - to use with controlfreak on my phone as a remote.

Thats three apps needing their databases keeping up to date, they probably don't have compatible playlists...Crazy.
 

Anthropic

Member
The two really brilliant features about iTunes are the Smart Playlists and Music Sharing (which Apple seems determined to slowly break over time). I mean, I can ask for all AAC files added since February 1st. You can basically ask it to make a playlist out of any tag metadata, including BPM.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
The Faceless Master said:
me either!

i don't know what i'm gonna do in a few years when winamp is all corporate

Corporate?

Winamp is dead dude.

They are saying it's possible the last version of winamp is out right now. Every person from nullsoft has left
 

Jotaro

Banned
DopeyFish said:
Corporate?

Winamp is dead dude.

They are saying it's possible the last version of winamp is out right now. Every person from nullsoft has left

Really? :(

Anyway, Foobar2000 will always be there to whip the llama's ass. :lol
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
mrklaw said:
For me, WMP easily lets you select either all songs, or all songs by an artist, or all songs in an album - i.e. you can drill down as little or as far as you want.

iTunes seems to only let me show all songs, and simply sort by artist/album etc (which you can do in WMP all songs view anyway).

Is it just me, or are these two sentences describing the same thing?
 

missAran

Member
I don't know if there's a better media player for OS X. To be honest, iTunes is a cumbersome, but other than that I don't have major problems. As long as I can play my music, I'm fine.
 

lexi

Banned
Shogmaster, Jotaro have great wisdom.

Foobar2000 is all I need, it's playlisting is leagues above the competition, and for me, that's what it all comes down.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
xsarien said:
Is it just me, or are these two sentences describing the same thing?

Sorry. What I meant was that itunes has one big list, but you can sort by different things by clicking the column headings (like in explorer) - its still one big list of everything.

WMP lets you drill down and only show tracks in the library by one artist, or one genre.


Still, now itunes can do that too, I just didn't know where to look.
 

aoi tsuki

Member
Are there remotes or skins for Foobar2000 that give it a dockable UI similar to Winamp? Foobar's ahead of Winamp in many areas, but the interface sucks if all you want to do is add your music and play it without going back to the main window.
 

Anthropic

Member
It's kind of ironic that despite the massive tutorials that Apple has on their iTunes site, with movies telling you exactly where to click and everything, people still don't know how to use iTunes.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Anthropic said:
It's kind of ironic that despite the massive tutorials that Apple has on their iTunes site, with movies telling you exactly where to click and everything, people still don't know how to use iTunes.

Its also odd to me that while ipod is hands down the easiest device to use once the music is on there, iTunes is very cumbersome and often counterintuitive. perhaps its better for Maccies?
 

Memles

Member
mrklaw said:
Its also odd to me that while ipod is hands down the easiest device to use once the music is on there, iTunes is very cumbersome and often counterintuitive. perhaps its better for Maccies?

I find it neither cumbersome nor counterintuitive, instead finding it easy to use, whether I want to listen to a specific album or to a random playlist.

You talk about being able to have only Genres shown in your library? It's called a live updating smart playlist. Make them for your favourite genres, and when you want to listen to one click on it. I do not see the difference between this and only showing one genre or artist in the library at all.

My new iPod Mini shipped this morning. I can finally put iTunes to its best use, even if I have no problems with the rest of it.
 

Dilbert

Member
mrklaw said:
Its also odd to me that while ipod is hands down the easiest device to use once the music is on there, iTunes is very cumbersome and often counterintuitive. perhaps its better for Maccies?
Examples, please? So far, your one example sounds like a user problem, not a problem with iTunes. Not only is there the "Browse" button, but the search field also is quite capable of sorting the Library quickly. I'd like to hear more about other features which you think are counterintuitive or cumbersome.

By the way, I don't think iTunes is perfect by a longshot. In particular, manual management of an iPod or playlists can occasionally be a pain in the ass. But I think it's far easier to use than Winamp or WMP.
 

Anthropic

Member
Its also odd to me that while ipod is hands down the easiest device to use once the music is on there, iTunes is very cumbersome and often counterintuitive. perhaps its better for Maccies?
iPod is just a portable iTunes.

I'm definitely not a "Maccy" and Apple as a company annoys me to a large extent (they have a habit of designing great things just to break them or ignore flaws for marketing reasons), but to call iTunes "cumbersome and often counterintuitive" is rather inaccurate. iTunes is a different take on a music jukebox program....It's emphesis is on the "jukebox" rather than the "music". Anyone can play a music file...the key is to organize them efficiently.

The music player pedigree on the PC side, from a UI perspective, is just sad. You basically have all of these apps that copied their user interface from Sound Recorder, an application that's barely a glorified tech-demo. As a result everyone decided buttons should be the size of bacteria and they added on dozens of extra widgets and windows that were slapped onto this Sound Recorder-like window like a three your old playing with Duplo. Just to top things off, they added skins, just in case anyone ever wanted a consistant interface.

Apple is not completely exempt from this, since their Quicktime player is a temple to poor UI design and visual bit-rot. The Quicktime preferences window hasn't changed in 10 years, which wouldn't be a problem if the thing made the slightest bit of sense.

Now, iTunes can be counterintuitive to use if you've been been traied to use music players that seem to have been designed by cavemen. Remember, most music players were either designed before people had massive music collections or ripped off their design from a player that was.

First of all, no one should ever have to manage the place on their disk where music is stored. The file should know what it is, you shouldn't have to name it, you shouldn't have to move it, you shouldn't have to organize it. The file name of a song should not matter in the slightest, because it's the tags that matter. We now have a generation of anal retentives who have become accustom to spending hours organizing their music collections just right, leaving the world with a mish mash of thousands of different systems to organize music. I once talked with someone who refused to use iTunes because the artist listing is on the left and the album listing is on the right...That's a called a disease, folks.

Second, hierarchies suck. The whole point of iTunes is that it's a database dressed up like a music player. It can afford to be a flat listing of all of your music because searching is hillariously fast. Also, if it bothers you just having one library, make a playlist and browse that. Yes, you can use the browse function for just about everything.

Third, smart playlists are your friend. I can't emphesize this enough. You can work magic with those things.

Fourth, like I said, Apple has a site where they explain the whole thing. There's movies and everything.

A considerable part of the animosity people express about iTunes, espcially the Windows version, is Apple's fault. They expect people to use iTunes because of the iPod. They need to start trying to pushing iTunes as an application rather than as an appendage to the iPod. They also need to jumpstart development of iTunes for Windows plugins and addons. They very, very quietly released an SDK last year and then absolutely did nothing to promote it. iTunes, from a features perspective, should be almost as extensible as Winamp but there's no one out there making plugins.
 

Great King Bowser

Property of Kaz Harai
xsarien said:
Push that big, fat button in the upper-right corner with the eye.

OH SHIT.

Never bothered to use iTunes outside of putting my music on my sister's iPod for her, but that helped.

Might keep using iTunes now to organise my music for the iRiver, keeps the tags all nicely done. Just spent half hour sorting out all my tags, correct genres etc.

But there's ONE single track that has no tag details, and I can't work out what song it is from listening. Is there anyway to see what folder it's from?

EDIT - Nevermind. I'm liking iTunes. Hope you lot are happy. :lol
 

Anthropic

Member
Sure. You can right click on a song and click "Show Song file", or you can right click and "Get Info" and then click on the summary tab.
 

Phoenix

Member
Shogmaster said:
I kicked iTunes off my puter the minute I found out that the bastard runs 2 seperate processes that eat up like 8MB of RAM for no goddamned reason EVEN WHEN I NEVER LAUNCH THE SUNOVABITCH.


Heh... reminds me why I initially dumped Windows XP off my machine :)
 

Anthropic

Member
It should be noted that you can simply disable the now 4MB iPod Service if you don't need it and the iTunesHelper program is now down to 1.1MB. So, if you want, iTunes only takes up 1MB of RAM when it's not running. That said, the first release of iTunes on Windows was pretty horrendous from a resource and PC-friendly standpoint. Things have improved somewhat since.
 
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