Why does America have a culture of fear?

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This image kinda backfires. As scary as gun violence is, when you REALLY think about 3 people per 100,000, it's like "In a stadium full of 100,000 people, instead of 0 or one person dying like in most countries, THREE people will die!" and you go "hmm, that's really not THAT big of a deal."

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sorry but....what? who the hell isn't going to think that's a big deal? You have some countries on that list that have like 1/30 of the death rate. so say across multiple stadiums you have 120 deaths in the usa vs 4 in england, who is going to actually say " well it's not THAT big of a deal over here"?
 
Fear is how right wing governments get people to vote against their own self interest
This is it really. Modern American conservatism is about breaking apart groups and keeping them separate. You do that by inciting fear and mistrust between those groups, however arbitrary the distinctions may be. The cynic in me says they do this to decrease the threat of a united people against the interests of those in power.
 
A culture of fear make the people easier to rule. Slaves don't ask embarrasing questions about disfunctionnal financial or political systems.
 
A culture of fear make the people easier to rule. Slaves don't ask embarrasing questions about disfunctionnal financial or political systems.
Yupppp. Fear, uncertainty and doubt are the tools of corrupt rulers.

Also, there's a disgusting amount of anti-intellectualism in the country, coincidentally it's hugely reserved to the population that supports Republicans. Considering our political arena is a duality, that extends that stance to half the country. You have a lot of idiots that support Democrats, but considering that "Someone has to stand up to the experts!" was actually uttered by a successful R politician and cheered in the Republican base, they can't really be exonerated. IMO, this close-mindedness contributes to an even greater culture of fear.
 
Yupppp. Fear, uncertainty and doubt are the tools of corrupt rulers.

Also, there's a disgusting amount of anti-intellectualism in the country, coincidentally it's hugely reserved to the population that supports Republicans. Considering our political arena is a duality, that extends that stance to half the country. You have a lot of idiots that support Democrats, but considering that "Someone has to stand up to the experts!" was actually uttered by a successful R politician and cheered in the Republican base, they can't really be exonerated. IMO, this close-mindedness contributes to an even greater culture of fear.
Media feeds into this too. Most major news networks overemphasize negative events and neglect positive ones.
 
You think those things are exclusive to the United States? Don't be so naive.
True but the United States political class and the media do excel at exploiting fear, religious fundamentalism and mental illness. Probably better than their contemporaries in any other country actually.
 
It's everywhere, not just America. Look at our own election. Our PM has successfully got about 60% of the population worried about two people who want to wear a niqab.

Not just America - the government here in Australia thrives on it, though it's improved since Abbott got shitcanned. Fear of foreigners who could be terrorists is a huge angle behind policy.

these guys lol

everywhere that isn't america is a utopia. America is a shithole where we have bad bread/cheese/butter and are all 500lbs (226kg) and is the only place where racism exists.

learn some shit for once
 
I have a fear and loathing for the "Why is America the worst country in the world?" threads that appear daily on these boards.

I wish I could live in the enlightened paradise that is every part of the world except for the United States.

Honestly, it's just comical to me now.
 
these guys lol

everywhere that isn't america is a utopia. America is a shithole where we have bad bread/cheese/butter and are all 500lbs (226kg) and is the only place where racism exists.

learn some shit for once

That's maybe another point. How defensive Americans are if people are telling them if stuff they do is quite silly at best.

Like there is zero awareness or willingness to learn.
 
Gun culture is a symptom of a culture of fear. And the issue is not only with the amount of guns though, but as the statistics above show, it's the amount of use of gun related violence not the just the amount (Finland for example has a lot of guns that are rarely used in conflicts).

Something is causing more Americans to use their firearms in conflicts then other modern nations. Wouldn't you assume that's fear? And if so, wouldn't that make Americans more fearful?



They are related. And I did say this if you read the OP:

people LIKE using guns. People use 'fear' also as an excuse for keeping their guns.

We LOVE guns here. Guns are in our games, they're in our favorite movies. We have an obsession with celebrities and loooking cool; having a gun makes you look cool.

I wouldn't disagree with you completely, because I do think fear has a part in it, but I don't think it's nearly as black and white as you portrayed at times.
 
Not mine, but this is something I saved from a previous article advocating gun control. I think it highlights some of the issues with America and guns.

Gun is a fetish symbolizing power and control over others, and that is the main appeal of gun ownership to the majority of the US population. Self-defense is just socially acceptable rationalization. American culture emphasizes power and control yet the life of most people in the US is subject to a myriad of regulations, both private and public, that leave individuals basically powerless against institutions, corporations, banks, credit cards companies, government agencies and so on. On the top of it, the paranoid style of media reporting and political discourse creates an illusion of constant and imminent danger ranging from common crime and natural disasters to uncertain economic future, to lack of social safety net, and to a myriad of bizarre conspiracies. The end result is that people who are culturally expected to be in charge and in control sense that they have little of both and fear that they are in constant danger by some looming threat regularly dished out by the media and politicians.

From that pov, buying a gun is a ritualistic behavior to buy peace of mind and sense of security in a society where people feel constantly threatened and having little or no control. In other societies, folks would be buying talismans, lighting candles, saying prayers or making sacrifices to the gods to secure their safety, but in a secular society such the US gun ownership plays the same ritualistic role. It is a mental crutch that gives troubled and scared individuals a false sense of security and peace of mind. Taking that mental crutch away is seen as cruel and senseless as taking a crutch from a disabled person.

Debunking the myth of defensive gun use will do little to reduce the appeal of gun ownership to the majority of the US population. To do that, you need to implement far reaching social reforms that would instill a sense of personal security, social safety and control of institutions and the political process. People who feel that their environment is safe and secure and that they are empowered to control that environment and their destiny in that environment do not need to rely on fetishes giving them illusions of that safety and control. Unfortunately, the oligarchy that rules this country will not allow such reforms to happen any time soon, and instead will continue relying on fearmongering to manipulate the populace.
 
That's maybe another point. How defensive Americans are if people are telling them if stuff they do is quite silly at best.

Like there is zero awareness or willingness to learn.

except I actually know this country is a shithole. I actually have a reason to hate it as I know what kind of place it is first hand.

Only I don't think everywhere else is perfect. because spoiler alert, it's not. but you would never know though from GAF.
 
except I actually know this country is a shithole. I actually have a reason to hate it as I know what kind of place it is first hand.

Only I don't think everywhere else is perfect. because spoiler alert, it's not. but you would never know though from GAF.

The straw man is strong here.
 
That's maybe another point. How defensive Americans are if people are telling them if stuff they do is quite silly at best.

Like there is zero awareness or willingness to learn.


if only the americans on gaf would get their shit together and try to implement changes that foreign gaf suggests, most problems in the world would go away.

maybe there's too much for their tiny american brains to handle, so I will compile the list here:
--get some chocolate better than hershey's
--get some better cheese than kraft american singles
--eat cheese, butter, and bread sandwiches
--stop being afraid of things and stop being racist

it's pretty easy. once they get the better chocolate, things will fall into place for the USA, just like they have for the rest of us.
 
if only the americans on gaf would get their shit together and try to implement changes that foreign gaf suggests, most problems in the world would go away.

maybe there's too much for their tiny american brains to handle, so I will compile the list here:
--get some chocolate better than hershey's
--get some better cheese than kraft american singles
--eat cheese, butter, and bread sandwiches
--stop being afraid of things and stop being racist

it's pretty easy. once they get the better chocolate, things will fall into place for the USA, just like they have for the rest of us.

That's even worse, holy fuck. That's not even trying.
 
Then again, we have the same type of drive by posts from people who live here too. In the shooting threads it is post after post of panicked "what the fuck is happening to our country?!", "PLEASE MAKE IT STOP" by posters who I imagine are like your average Freshman in college who are suddenly so enlightened about the world, and are overly hyperbolic about everything. Gun violence has been going on for a long time, and we just are more aware of it now because of the internet and how we consume information.

Obviously we do need to do something to help restrict how people obtain their firearms, but screaming about it isn't going to do anything, and just adds to the hysteria.
 
Also, it isn't a culture of fear, so much as it is the news reporting everything in a doomsday scenario and the average person not researching at all into anything and just "mmhmm-ing" along to their friends and family. The number of conversations I hear at my office where it's just misinformation and then everyone agreeing on it are astounding.
 
I think it's because it's the quickest and easiest way to get what you want.

News outlets love to fearmonger because it's the fastest way to get viewers, which leads to ratings, which leads to profit.

Politically, the fastest way to get someone to agree with you is not to push your own point, but to create a boogeyman out of the opposite of your point. So it's not "pass this bill because it does this and this", it's "PASS THIS BILL OR ELSE HORRIBLE THINGS WILL HAPPEN OBAMA WILL TAKE YUR GUNZ".

Best of all, there's no requirement for anyone to actually understand what you're talking about or to gauge whether you make sense. You just make them so scared that they'll rush the decision. It's the idea as the whole "BUY THIS NOW WHILE IT'S ON SALE/WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! ACT NOW! DON'T DELAY" kind of crap that pressures people into making bad decisions.
 
Then again, we have the same type of drive by posts from people who live here too. In the shooting threads it is post after post of panicked "what the fuck is happening to our country?!", "PLEASE MAKE IT STOP" by posters who I imagine are like your average Freshman in college who are suddenly so enlightened about the world, and are overly hyperbolic about everything. Gun violence has been going on for a long time, and we just are more aware of it now because of the internet and how we consume information.
While I think that's partly true I think there's another side that's equally important:

Previous gun violence was something you could mitigate. What I mean is, is that at one point in our history it was just bad neighborhoods or bad crowds, you seemingly could avoid it all together by just avoiding a certain area and hanging around certain people. Like everything else, when it was just happening to poor people and minorities it was all cool, much like in the same way that police violence has been happening forever but white America just didn't get it. Well police violence is leaking out and more people are getting that now. In the past if you wanted to avoid getting shot and by default you started life in a neighborhood that wasn't terrible all you had to do was not associate with bad people. But what about now? Now that the idea of mass public shootings are in play do you tell your kid not to go to school? Do you yourself not go back to school and get your degree? Do you not go and see movies? Public shootings are a different beast that you can't avoid by hanging around the right people and avoiding the bad part of town so yeah, now more people are noticing because now it's affecting everyone.
 
I don't really think people fear the government here. It's more of a hate for Cameron's government than actual fearfulness. What I'm trying to say is, the culture of fear is nowhere near as bad as it is in the US.
This isn't what the poster is saying. The UK populace is very much manipulated with scaremongering and it is why we have reached this point of regulation and nanny-state which is done more for population control than it is for keeping people safe.

Also the other tangential issue is precisely that people do not fear their government as much as they should. Democracy only has meaning when people use it to apply scrutiny, when people become complacent it all comes down. Indirect democracy isn't so much a system of trust rather than it is a tool for the populace to voice their distrust.

If trust was sufficient then a despot system is a sufficient and arguably more efficient system of governance.
 
what is stronger, fear or rational thinking? One makes you scream involuntarily and makes your heart beat out of your chest. you never have to fight to control your rational thoughts. No one ever tries to exploit your rational thinking. Fear is too good a tool to pass up.
 
While I think that's partly true I think there's another side that's equally important:

Previous gun violence was something you could mitigate. What I mean is, is that at one point in our history it was just bad neighborhoods or bad crowds, you seemingly could avoid it all together by just avoiding a certain area and hanging around certain people. Like everything else, when it was just happening to poor people and minorities it was all cool, much like in the same way that police violence has been happening forever but white America just didn't get it. Well police violence is looking out and more people are getting that now. In the past if you wanted to avoid getting shot and by default you started life in a neighborhood that wasn't terrible all you had to do was not associate with bad people. But what about now? Now that the idea of mass public shootings are in play do you tell your kid not to go to school? Do you yourself not go back to school and get your degree? Do you not go and see movies? Public shootings are a different beast that you can't avoid by hanging around the right people and avoiding the bad part of town so yeah, now more people are noticing because now it's affecting everyone.

I mean, I have not changed the way I go about my day due to these shootings. I'm in school for my second degree right now, and ever since columbine happened, my stance has always been: well it is something I have literally no control over, and the odds are so low, I may as well not worry about it because it's a waste of my energy. That isn't to say that people should just forget about it and not try to be proactive about changing laws, I just don't think that being ever-fearful is warranted. I also am aware that I don't live in a rough area where that is a likelihood, so that colors my opinion as well.

People tend to deal with tragedy differently, and for some, it is to put it out of their mind, or to rationalize it. That doesn't mean that people are blind to the tragedies or that they don't care.

Some of the shootings that have been reported on have been between disgruntled parties that happened to be on or near campus. It's easy to take that and say that "schools are getting more and more dangerous." This country is a huge place with a gigantic population comprised of people from all backgrounds. Any stats that get compared to other countries are immediately going to be worse for us because with so many people, it's statistically more likely to happen.
 
I have a fear and loathing for the "Why is America the worst country in the world?" threads that appear daily on these boards.

I wish I could live in the enlightened paradise that is every part of the world except for the United States.
Tell me about it. We can't even eat sandwiches right.
 
Take a cookie, you need one.

I read an article once about cookies, now I'm an expert on cookies. I've never had one, but I can tell you how to make one and how to correct bad cookies. I spend lots of time reading about cookies on a forum started by cookie lovers. The cookie lovers won't listen when I tell them how bad their cookies are. They just make fun of me because they are arrogant. For one thing, they're supposed to be called "biscuits."
 
Sounds like we grew up in similar circumstances (I'm from a big pro-hunting family/gun dealers and I actually enjoy hunting quite a bit). Personally I have few liberal friends and the ones I do we rarely talk about politics. I'm surrounded by my wife's family, all right wing, and back home my entire family is right wing. Because I do lean left, I take notice and have realized that things are getting worse and worse with the right wings in both locations. People are getting more and more terrified.

Your family actually believes that Obama is a Muslim and Mexicans are Muslims?
 
1.) Fear leaves a lasting impression, literally. Studies have shown that images/events that cause a fear response and images/events that generate sexual arousal are better remembered by those exposed to them. This is why products are sold with sex, failure and death as underpinnings. And in a capitalistic society, the selling of products is essential...whether we're talking about selling toothpaste (if you don't use this tooth paste your teeth won't look white and that girl won't fuck you) or getting people to continue watching your news station (leading with all the most horrible shit happening in your city), they will highlight as much that will keep your attention as possible.

2.) The society itself was built on fear at every stage. Fear of the native american. Fear of the witch. Fear of the free negro. Fear of the immigrant. Fear of the asian. Fear of the muslim. Because it's easier to be afraid of things you don't understand than to attempt to find the common ground. Especially when religion is a factor.

3.) The lack of a real social safety net means people are perpetually afraid of their futures and sensitive to failure. It also means people are more likely to resort to violence and thievery to survive.

lots of other stuff too. People don't feel secure. Both in their environment and in their own skin. That discomfort is what is used to convince people they need to buy something new to feel more secure or safe..only that security and safety is fleeting. And people stick to their own resulting in a lack of exposure to the variety of cultures out there to experience. Sometimes I think people would rather live afraid than live free of fear.
 
well, someday you have to accept that this is a fucking scary world, made worse by all that media.its not only America, although being the first world favorite country of course its going to have some problems and more media attention.
 
well, someday you have to accept that this is a fucking scary world, made worse by all that media.its not only America, although being the first world favorite country of course its going to have some problems and more media attention.

The world is getting safer and safer every year and yet there is a strange perception by otherwise apparently educated people that everything is going to shit. More and more people are moving out of poverty, violent crime is way down here in the USA, etc...

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The media in basically every country is guilty of fear mongering because like it's been said, it gives them ratings. Hell I'm in Canada and my mom will call me up every time the news reports a rise in rapes on university campuses cause she's afraid I'm out there getting raped. A family friend was unsure if she should get her daughter vaccinated because her family was telling her that her daughter would get autism. This type of shit happens everywhere.

And sure maybe all that fear mongering will lead to people buying more guns, but someone owning a gun isn't really a cause for concern. Like owning a gun to protect your home is a perfectly fine reason to want one. The issues arise when people (especially people with mental health problems) gain access to the guns and ammunition that give them the capability to injure massive amounts of people. As well as issues like open-carry and guns being allowed in places where they aren't necessary, like college campuses.

I don't think people using their guns more in America is because of fear. I think it's more to do with the fact that they're more likely to have a gun in a violent altercation because they don't need to keep their gun in storage basically all the time.
 
I grew up in a rural area, and my family still lives there. People are definitely more religious and more pro-gun (hunting is a big pastime), but I have not experienced most of what you are saying, and frankly consider it to be the sort of thing that is believed by out-of-touch liberals that don't actually have any conservative friends. Kind of like how there are some conservative whackos who read about a professor saying that America deserved 9/11 and then think that's how all liberal elites think.

It is easy to fall victim to selection bias if you try to understand a place just from what you see in the media. When some nutjob spouts crazy stuff at a Trump rally, it becomes a national news story. There is no news story about millions of people holding different values, but rational beliefs.

Which region/state did you grow up in, if you don't mind my asking? I grew up in rural Missouri (and have recently returned here to be around family), and in my experience the things that bengraven listed are not at all fringe beliefs and are in fact fairly widespread. There was a fairly recent CNN/ORC poll that found that 29% of Americans and 45% of self-identified conservatives believe that the president is a Muslim. While this same poll includes geographic and urban/suburban/rural divides, I suspect that in many rural municipalities this number exceeds 50%.
 
The world is getting safer and safer every year and yet there is a strange perception by otherwise apparently educated people that everything is going to shit. More and more people are moving out of poverty, violent crime is way down here in the USA, etc...

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The west is getting safer, third world countries are still about as dangerous as ever, I mean there's likely been so slight improvement, but considering where your starting from, it's really not all that great
 
Could our illusion of self play a role? We tend to think of ourselves as free agents and assume a lot of nonsensical free will/bootstraps ideologies, and the fear of losing "my" flame, my images, concepts, and values in a society where everyone is deemed a threat only encapsulates the fear. It's why people want guns so badly, no? Some feel you can't even trust the police.

Most fear begins in division. Us vs Them. America is very clearly a land divided in a great, troubling manner.
 
hands trembling

heart racing

sweat dripping down his brow

"Oh God, please just let me make it home safely"

Tabris says as he fastens his seat belt
 
The US is pretty different in regards to other countries though. Our entire existence is built on the blood of other people, and the people that live here are also suffer from at one point being a major target, many times by the government sanctioned activities, other times by civilians themselves. Is it any wonder why we are fucked up in this manner?
 
I had made this post in one of the numerous police shooting / school shooting / racial shooting threads out there lately, and I thought it would make a good topic for discussion. Both a debate on whether it does have a culture of fear and where it comes from?

America has this weird culture of fear.

Fear of the government.
Fear of other races.
Fear of each other.
Fear of terrorists.

Combine that culture of fear with a gun culture (due to the fear), and you have a recipe for disaster on both sides.

I do not understand the culture of fear in the US though. Other countries have gone through a lot worse then the US and you don't see that same culture in most of those other countries citizens. I understand things like how they gained independence, slavery, civil war, and terrorist attacks to each of the fear points above - but most other countries have experienced that, if not much worse then the US ever has.

You can put on the conspiracy hat and talk about a 1984 like methodology of artificial fear on the proletarian population to keep them under control but this culture of fear has been present for so many varying governments and times that this doesn't make sense either.

I don't get it. I understand what perpetuates this culture of fear right now as I watch American media but I don't understand the origin of it.

Most Americans do not have large communities or extended familial ties. This, combined with the amassing of a decent amount of material wealth, puts people into the "every man's home is his castle" mode of thinking. Paranoia, fear, uncertainty, and doubt are just ways of being when you constantly think everything will be taken away from you in a snap, especially since competition is cutthroat in many places (especially larger metropolitan areas). Add on top of that the Puritanical "Fire and Brimstone" mentality as a religious tradition and you have a perfect formula for gun-toting, paranoid, delusion morons everywhere whose worldview is founded on irrational supernatural stuff.
 
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