So your solution is to vote in such a way that helps completely eliminate any of what Bernie wants from actually happening?
Okay.
Why I do not like Hillary Clinton as a presidential candidate
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So your solution is to vote in such a way that helps completely eliminate any of what Bernie wants from actually happening?
Okay.
Aaronrules380
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I've always said Bernie would be terrible at getting things done. And yes, I think Hilary has a much better grasp on policy and planning than Bernie ever did, as can easily be seen when you compare their answers to how they want to get shit done
Also, no he can't. The president can't pass laws. Only congress can
DrForester
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I don't particularly like Clinton, but the more I read, the more I realize a lot of the criticism are overblown. She's cold, calculating. She's just another politician. She's certainly a step down from Obama.
She still has my vote. She's the best option on the ballot. Certainly not going to vote for "Wi-Fi melts brains". There is never going to be a perfect candidate.
And I encourage others to do so. Trump doesn't need to just lose, he needs to be embarassed.
She still has my vote. She's the best option on the ballot. Certainly not going to vote for "Wi-Fi melts brains". There is never going to be a perfect candidate.
And I encourage others to do so. Trump doesn't need to just lose, he needs to be embarassed.
What do you mean you'll take your chance with him? He's not winning, it's not possible to take a chance.
For someone who respects Bernie so much, you're doing your damndest to fuck him over.
legacyzero
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OP, I'm with you. But when I dared to talk about it in any election thread, I got shouted down with "It aint that bad!" I really wish Biden had run. Would have had my vote easily.
Come on, man. I'm one of the biggest Bernie supporters on this board, and even I know that's stupid. If you're going to waste a vote, at least put it towards somebody actually in the race. Still a wasted vote.
Also, focus on the down ticket and make Paul Ryan's wish come true. Make Bernie the Senate leaders #FlipTheSenate
Either Hillary or Trump are winning this election. Period. Your protest vote does nothing but ensure evil wins.
Come on, man. I'm one of the biggest Bernie supporters on this board, and even I know that's stupid. If you're going to waste a vote, at least put it towards somebody actually in the race. Still a wasted vote.
Also, focus on the down ticket and make Paul Ryan's wish come true. Make Bernie the Senate leaders #FlipTheSenate
Either Hillary or Trump are winning this election. Period. Your protest vote does nothing but ensure evil wins.
I'd be more than willing to give it a listen if you could provide a link
I am aware of the bill that her and Joe Lieberman sponsored in 2006 in regards to explicit content in video games. While I carry a personal disliking for that particular legislation I do not take it as seriously as I do matters of peace and war. Also, the supreme court shot down that bill, and I do not expect it to return at any time under a Hillary Clinton presidency
and I completely get why people would make the calculated decision to vote for Hillary, but we mustn't enable one candidate's bad policies because the other candidate's policies are worse. The message must be sent that if the next president were to launch another major military campaign, they will not be a two term president.
We must be critical and aware of all the candidates' flaws, even the ones we are voting for
Yeah the US is such a fucked society when it's either imperialist right-winged liberalism versus warmongering sexist/racist/homophobic fascists. And that's not even addressing the laissez-faire capitalism and denial of anthropogenic global warming.
Too bad things never change, I've given up on the country ever changing after 30 years of hoping for better candidates as well as its voters realizing the hurt and damage that their society and policies are doing to themselves and the rest of the world.
Too bad things never change, I've given up on the country ever changing after 30 years of hoping for better candidates as well as its voters realizing the hurt and damage that their society and policies are doing to themselves and the rest of the world.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Can we just keep Barack and Joe for another four years. We'll give them cybernetic organs to keep them alive and fueled
It's always been both of those.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards that myself, ever since trump lost his mind.
I wont vote for a warmonger.
nah people here really prop her up as very liberal and that any thought of her being shitty is the effect of the Republican smear machine and not of Hillary's actual history
Mighty Chin
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I'm good
After everything Bernie has said about NOT writing him in and instead voting for Hillary this is how I see yall
"DON'T vote for me"
"I'M VOTING FOR YOU BERNIE"
"DON'T VOTE FOR ME"
"I LOVE YOU BERNIE"
His fans in a nutshell.
He does have power to reclassify. That is a fact.
http://marijuanapolitics.com/obamas-rare-opportunity-reschedule-marijuana/
NoblesseOblige
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You're supposed to vote for the person you most agree with though. And Bernie would very much disagree with you for writing him in.
minor effort
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Agreed, but I was just pointing out how write-in voting for Bernie despite him stressing how much he does not want that seems like a particularly ridiculous choice.
Bernie doesn't want sympathy votes. He wants Democratic victories this fall. He might wind up being Senate Budget Committee chair.
Vote for Hillary, as Bernie wants. Then hold her accountable for the next 4 years, if she goes against the things you found most important about Bernie's platform, don't vote to re-elect her. It's the only adult thing to do at this point.
Was he ever sane?
Lol
Are you literally going to drive to the polling place do that? You might as well write Bernie's name on a piece of paper and throw it in the trash, and save yourself the trip.
So you were leaning Trump before you listened to him speak?
Aaronrules380
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You might as well not vote. At least voting third party will leave a visible mark that can make it an effective protest vote. Write in candidates are essentially pointless
Tipper Gore was for censoring music, Hillary Clinton was for censoring video games
That's not true, there are many other issues to vote on outside of the election for president (propositions, senate races, ect)
You are so adorably unaware and detached from reality.
I have a strong suspicion that these write in people are pigment challenged and have never had seen government cheese up close.
thelastcrusader
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Wait she has a relationship with the devil himself? I need to look into this more.
Neither of which will ever happen under a sane judicial system. I wouldn't vote based on such a weak position.
Aaronrules380
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Reclassifying still isn't legalizing.
The Honduras Coup one is complete and total BS that's been debunked over and over again. She couldn't call it a coup because humanitarian aid to the country would have ceased. Non humanitarian aid was cut.
The regime change in Libya was a NATO mission supported by many countries and condoned by the UN Security council, not just the US. It prevented thousands of innocents getting slaughtered, and while the transition went poorly, it is still a million times better than what happened in Syria, which is undoubtedly what Libya would have become.
A regime change in Syria wouldn't have been perfect, but better than the clusterfuck going on now. Unfortunately it was not in the cards, given Russia's resistance to having their puppet removed.
I am also pro no-fly zone, although it may be too little too late. A no fly zone implemented early enough could have made a large difference in the number of innocents killed by conventional and chemical warfare. I have no problem with the US ensuring that not happening. Clinton's stance on Syria is one that I vastly prefer to Obama's.
Hillary has been instrumental in bringing Iran to the negotiation table, which the sanctions she helped impose started.
I'm not a fan of her stance on Palestine, although that is part of the MO for US politicians nowadays, unfortunately. Same with the patriot act; I don't like it, but any serious politician back then (and now) voted for it, for fear of that being used against them.
I'm not a fan of her votes on Iraq or increased troops in Afghanistan either, but no candidate is perfect.
The regime change in Libya was a NATO mission supported by many countries and condoned by the UN Security council, not just the US. It prevented thousands of innocents getting slaughtered, and while the transition went poorly, it is still a million times better than what happened in Syria, which is undoubtedly what Libya would have become.
A regime change in Syria wouldn't have been perfect, but better than the clusterfuck going on now. Unfortunately it was not in the cards, given Russia's resistance to having their puppet removed.
I am also pro no-fly zone, although it may be too little too late. A no fly zone implemented early enough could have made a large difference in the number of innocents killed by conventional and chemical warfare. I have no problem with the US ensuring that not happening. Clinton's stance on Syria is one that I vastly prefer to Obama's.
Hillary has been instrumental in bringing Iran to the negotiation table, which the sanctions she helped impose started.
I'm not a fan of her stance on Palestine, although that is part of the MO for US politicians nowadays, unfortunately. Same with the patriot act; I don't like it, but any serious politician back then (and now) voted for it, for fear of that being used against them.
I'm not a fan of her votes on Iraq or increased troops in Afghanistan either, but no candidate is perfect.
Off the top of my head: Guantanamo, Yemen, Pakistan, NSA, drone strikes, rising inequality, militarized police force, inaction against white supremacy, american exceptionalism, weapons to Saudi Arabia... not sure why another four years would be prudent.
He felt the need to say something that doesn't matter. He is essentially saying "look at me, my opinion is worthless, throw your trash at me".
Aaronrules380
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I mean, I'm just saying why bother making a vote that doesn't matter whatsoever. Writein candidates will never get even 1% of the vote. They'll be forever invisible which makes it entirely pointless as a practice
gutter_trash
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OP, name me one person who ever pushed for the Public Option as hard as Hillary did in 1993?
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I didn't think so
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I didn't think so
Yup. If pot is taken off the class 1 mark doesn't mean weed will be legal across the US.
So much effort and educated opinions that turns obsolete when you look at the alternative. This is the reality now, why would you bother? Donald Trump is the worst thing that could happen in modern history. Why would you even try to undermine that? Do thay in 4 yours when you have a decent contender.
ScatheZombie
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Because an election is about comparing two (or more, but not really this time) candidates against each other. Not comparing one candidate against your non-existent, ideological-twin, utopian-potential candidate.
This is between Clinton and Trump. Not Clinton and anyone better than her. In a debate between who has better foreign policy, criticism of Hillary's past is actually a positive when put up against the absolutely atrociously scary-bad plans Trump has cobbled together from a clear, fundamental lack of knowledge or understanding of anything related to foreign policy.
Most criticism of Hillary is basically "She's not good compared to my ideal candidate."
Ok, well, she's not running against that. She's running against modern day Hitler. And compared to him, she's the next closest thing to Einstein-Gandhi-Buddha-Jesus.
Cabbagehead
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Lesser of two evils indeed.
Not ever picking Trump and beecause the election doesn't have a surpise third option.
We got to go with her and maybe "risk' foreign policy upheavals to some cost. But who knows to be honest. Though her uneducated, ignorant stance on that GTA thing is concerning in regards to censorship.
Not ever picking Trump and beecause the election doesn't have a surpise third option.
We got to go with her and maybe "risk' foreign policy upheavals to some cost. But who knows to be honest. Though her uneducated, ignorant stance on that GTA thing is concerning in regards to censorship.
thelastcrusader
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Shh you're not supposed to talk about that.
I recently found the term Arkancide. Chances are Bernie conceeded in fear for his life.
Aaronrules380
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Please tell me you're joking
Cabbagehead
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Perfectly sound advice.
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