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Why is it taboo to call AIDS a "gay disease"?

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ToxicAdam

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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...terosexuals-is-over-report-admits-842478.html

A 25-year health campaign was misplaced outside the continent of Africa. But the disease still kills more than all wars and conflicts


A quarter of a century after the outbreak of Aids, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has accepted that the threat of a global heterosexual pandemic has disappeared.


In the first official admission that the universal prevention strategy promoted by the major Aids organisations may have been misdirected, Kevin de Cock, the head of the WHO's department of HIV/Aids said there will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa.


Dr De Cock, an epidemiologist who has spent much of his career leading the battle against the disease, said understanding of the threat posed by the virus had changed. Whereas once it was seen as a risk to populations everywhere, it was now recognised that, outside sub-Saharan Africa, it was confined to high-risk groups including men who have sex with men, injecting drug users, and sex workers and their clients.

Dr De Cock said: "It is very unlikely there will be a heterosexual epidemic in other countries. Ten years ago a lot of people were saying there would be a generalised epidemic in Asia – China was the big worry with its huge population. That doesn't look likely. But we have to be careful. As an epidemiologist it is better to describe what we can measure. There could be small outbreaks in some areas."

In 2006, the Global Fund for HIV, Malaria and Tuberculosis, which provides 20 per cent of all funding for Aids, warned that Russia was on the cusp of a catastrophe. An estimated 1 per cent of the population was infected, mainly through injecting drug use, the same level of infection as in South Africa in 1991 where the prevalence of the infection has since risen to 25 per cent.

Dr De Cock said: "I think it is unlikely there will be extensive heterosexual spread in Russia. But clearly there will be some spread."

Aids still kills more adults than all wars and conflicts combined, and is vastly bigger than current efforts to address it. A joint WHO/UN Aids report published this month showed that nearly three million people are now receiving anti-retroviral drugs in the developing world, but this is less than a third of the estimated 9.7 million people who need them. In all there were 33 million people living with HIV in 2007, 2.5 million people became newly infected and 2.1 million died of Aids.

Aids organisations, including the WHO, UN Aids and the Global Fund, have come under attack for inflating estimates of the number of people infected, diverting funds from other health needs such as malaria, spending it on the wrong measures such as abstinence programmes rather than condoms, and failing to build up health systems.

Dr De Cock labelled these the "four malignant arguments" undermining support for the global campaign against Aids, which still faced formidable challenges, despite the receding threat of a generalised epidemic beyond Africa.

Any revision of the threat was liable to be seized on by those who rejected HIV as the cause of the disease, or who used the disease as a weapon to stigmatise high risk groups, he said.

"Aids still remains the leading infectious disease challenge in public health. It is an acute infection but a chronic disease. It is for the very, very long haul. People are backing off, saying it is taking care of itself. It is not."

Critics of the global Aids strategy complain that vast sums are being spent educating people about the disease who are not at risk, when a far bigger impact could be achieved by targeting high-risk groups and focusing on interventions known to work, such as circumcision, which cuts the risk of infection by 60 per cent, and reducing the number of sexual partners.

There were "elements of truth" in the criticism, Dr De Cock said. "You will not do much about Aids in London by spending the funds in schools. You need to go where transmission is occurring. It is true that countries have not always been good at that."

But he rejected an argument put in The New York Times that only $30m (£15m) had been spent on safe water projects, far less than on Aids, despite knowledge of the risks that contaminated water pose.

"It sounds a good argument. But where is the scandal? That less than a third of Aids patients are being treated – or that we have never resolved the safe water scandal?"

One of the danger areas for the Aids strategy was among men who had sex with men. He said: " We face a bit of a crisis [in this area]. In the industrialised world transmission of HIV among men who have sex with men is not declining and in some places has increased.

"In the developing world, it has been neglected. We have only recently started looking for it and when we look, we find it. And when we examine HIV rates we find they are high.

"It is astonishing how badly we have done with men who have sex with men. It is something that is going to have to be discussed much more rigorously."

The biggest puzzle was what had caused heterosexual spread of the disease in sub-Saharan Africa – with infection rates exceeding 40 per cent of adults in Swaziland, the worst-affected country – but nowhere else.

"It is the question we are asked most often – why is the situation so bad in sub-Saharan Africa? It is a combination of factors – more commercial sex workers, more ulcerative sexually transmitted diseases, a young population and concurrent sexual partnerships."

"Sexual behaviour is obviously important but it doesn't seem to explain [all] the differences between populations. Even if the total number of sexual partners [in sub-Saharan Africa] is no greater than in the UK, there seems to be a higher frequency of overlapping sexual partnerships creating sexual networks that, from an epidemiological point of view, are more efficient at spreading infection."

Low rates of circumcision, which is protective, and high rates of genital herpes, which causes ulcers on the genitals through which the virus can enter the body, also contributed to Africa's heterosexual epidemic.

But the factors driving HIV were still not fully understood, he said.

"The impact of HIV is so heterogeneous. In the US , the rate of infection among men in Washington DC is well over 100 times higher than in North Dakota, the region with the lowest rate. That is in one country. How do you explain such differences?"

I've seen people in the past lambasted and ostracized for having that opinion (That AIDS is mainly a disease for homosexual males and drug users) in the past. Poster boys like Ryan White were paraded out there in an effort to sway public opinion and generate funds. It worked .. but it looks like all that money was wasted.
 

Armitage

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When the two best ways to reduce the infection are cutting your dick and having less sex, we're in trouble.
 

Tamanon

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I would not trust someone disseminating information on AIDs not being hetero if he was named Kevin of Cock. Sounds like he's hiding something.
 

Phoenix

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ToxicAdam said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...terosexuals-is-over-report-admits-842478.html



I've seen people in the past lambasted and ostracized for having that opinion (That AIDS is mainly a disease for homosexual males and drug users) in the past. Poster boys like Ryan White were paraded out there in an effort to sway public opinion and generate funds. It worked .. but it looks like all that money was wasted.


Hmm.... how many heterosexual AIDS patients are there in the world?
 

p_xavier

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The impact of HIV is so heterogeneous. In the US , the rate of infection among men in Washington DC is well over 100 times higher than in North Dakota, the region with the lowest rate. That is in one country. How do you explain such differences?

Really? Can't explain? What about no gays would like to live in North Dakota? I mean gays have 100x more sexual partners than straight guys. The explication is simple, because they're men.

Again one of these geeky researchers that can't look behing their text books.
 

Tamanon

Banned
JeFfRey said:
Really? Can't explain? What about no gays would like to live in North Dakota? I mean gays have 100x more sexual partners than straight guys. The explication is simple, because they're men.

Again one of these geeky researchers that can't look behing their text books.

We also would've accepted a Republican controlled Congress joke.
 

Gaborn

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the problem of considering AIDS a "gay disease" is multi-fold. First, it assumes that only homosexuals can get it. While it's true that gay men are disproportionately likely to have HIV outside of Africa it's entirely possible for a heterosexual male to get it and giving the opposite impression cuts down on the chance for an infected heterosexual to get tested early and potentially have earlier access to drugs to help treat the condition.

Second, typically the "gay disease" claim is made to stigmatize homosexuality. That is, rather than using religious ideology to voice disagreement with homosexuality, some people cloak their rhetoric in disease and potential health effects (implying the false sense that being gay inevitably means that you have AIDS or other STDs).

Third, the stereotype of the infected gay male ignores the very real health problems especially among black women who are disproportionately affected, and by stigmatizing it in terms of gay sex it ignores other groups and communities that do not face a strong social stigma and punishes them for something they had no choice in getting.
 
A lot of the heterosexual infections from the 80s were based on the claim of the patient, who may have been ashamed to admit to a gay encounter.

It is very difficult for a male to contract AIDS from heterosexual sex. I would never call it a "gay" disease, but it's not right to mislead the public as they did in the 80s.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Probably because the vast majority of the people it affects live in sub-Saharan Africa, a population which the article discarded pretty quickly in order to come to the conclusions it did.

This.

Basically, AIDS is overwhelmingly a heterosexual disease globally - but because many of the heterosexuals are in Africa, we'll forget about them and go back to blaming gay men?
 
Love To Love You Baby said:
This.

Basically, AIDS is overwhelmingly a heterosexual disease globally - but because many of the heterosexuals are in Africa, we'll forget about them and go back to blaming gay men?


Yeah, I don't know how you can begin a discussion on AIDS by excluding Africa.
 
BobbyRobby said:
A lot of the heterosexual infections from the 80s were based on the claim of the patient, who may have been ashamed to admit to a gay encounter.

It is very difficult for a male to contract AIDS from heterosexual sex. I would never call it a "gay" disease, but it's not right to mislead the public as they did in the 80s.
Aren't women the largest at risk anyway?

Quite a few more women on the planet then gay men.
 

MetatronM

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ToxicAdam said:
I don't think you read the OP.

tsk tsk
I don't think you did either, since it clearly talks about the fact that it IS a major heterosexual disease in Africa. Which is where the biggest epidemic of the disease happens to be. Curious how that works.
 

Tamanon

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Thunder Monkey said:
Aren't women the largest at risk anyway?

Quite a few more women on the planet then gay men.

Makes sense, it's a lot easier for a woman to get AIDs than for a hetero man.
 
PrinceAdam said:
So AIDS is a black disease now?

AIDS isn't an "anyone" disease. Environmental factors influence your likelihood of getting it - and yes, that includes the type of intercourse you're having. The point is that the OP is justifying the usage of "gay disease" when describing HIV/AIDS, when Africa provides a very large, and soul-crushingly sad, example of heterosexual spread of it. An example that the article has made as a side-note, dismissing an entire continent that is being ravished by HIV/AIDS, mainly due to heterosexual intercourse.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Eazy E died of aids and he was straight as an arrow.
The entire argument is retarded.

How can it be a "gay disease" when the vast majority of cases reported worldwide are in heterosexuals, and women in particular?
 

B!TCH

how are you, B!TCH? How is your day going, B!ITCH?
Let's think critically about this. Homosexuality is extremely taboo in African countries. How can you all discount the possibility that gay men are simply reporting that they are heterosexual out of fear of being ostracized for being gay?
 
In the case of Africa, it should be considered that rape is a huge problem there, which I would think vastly increases transmission rates.

Yet it's fairly easy for heterosexual women to get it, and they aren't getting it from other women.

They could get it from shooting up, having sex with men who do the same, or having sex with men who engage in anal sex with males or females. This is not to say they can't get it from men who've abstained from IV drug use and anal sex. It is just not as likely.

icarus-daedelus said:
Perhaps because homosexual sodomy was a criminal act in most states back then?

I am not faulting anyone. It's absolutely crazy that sodomy was/is illegal anywhere. Ostracism of the gay community is probably one of the biggest reasons AIDS has spread as much as it has, and I think that is terrible.
 

teiresias

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B!TCH said:
Let's think critically about this. Homosexuality is extremely taboo in African countries. How can you all discount the possibility that gay men are simply reporting that they are heterosexual out of fear of being ostracized for being gay?

Possibly because of the huge amount of infected women and their children that contracted the disease while in the womb?

icarus-daedelus said:
Yeah, 3/4 of all AIDS-caused deaths happen in Africa, sooooo... it's a little hard to ignore.

Obviously, that has alot to do with the infection rate, but it also has alot to do with the availability (or lack thereof actually) of drugs in that region of the world as well.
 
I remember when news reports were calling it the Gay Mans Plague or Gay Cancer.

I loled, but I was a dumb little kid and thought hearing the word gay on TV was funny.
 
B!TCH said:
Let's think critically about this. Homosexuality is extremely taboo in African countries. How can you all discount the possibility that gay men are simply reporting that they are heterosexual out of fear of being ostracized for being gay?

1) There aren't nearly enough homosexuals in existence to cause the spread of AIDS on the scale it has been.

2) You need to read up on the sexual practices of African heterosexuals (including, but not limited to: the rape rate, the number of female partners African men working miles away have, certain sexual practices like 'dry' sex in which some women sit in salt to dry out their vagina, because men prefer the sex that way [making it easier to contract the disease], the high level of unprotected sex, etc.)

3) AIDS is incredibly taboo there, and essentially no one admits to having it. Most people will claim they have malaria or other diseases, and some men will continue to have intercourse even if they suspect they are infected.

The social climate - not to mention the utter lack of education and decent health care - has made Africa absolutely ripe for the disease.
 

Gaborn

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Count Dookkake said:
I remember when news reports were calling it the Gay Mans Plague or Gay Cancer.

I loled, but I was a dumb little kid and thought hearing the word gay on TV was funny.

And of course it was originally known as GRID, Gay Related Immune Deficiency. Which kinda was the natural beginning/continuation of the gays = STDs meme
 
Count Dookkake said:
I remember when news reports were calling it the Gay Mans Plague or Gay Cancer.

I loled, but I was a dumb little kid and thought hearing the word gay on TV was funny.

AIDS was originally called GRID: "Gay-related immune deficiency."

Edit: Gaborn beat me to it.
 

DeadTrees

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ToxicAdam said:
Poster boys like Ryan White were paraded out there in an effort to sway public opinion and generate funds. It worked .. but it looks like all that money was wasted.
As opposed to what, just letting the populace keep on randomly screwing as many people as they can get away with, without condoms? Ask the South African health department how that plan worked out.

And what's with the bolded AND underlined section on circumcision? Are you up for Surgeon General in Bush's next term?
 

joshcryer

it's ok, you're all right now
OK seriously? It's taboo to point out that in western countries AIDS is most prevelant in gay people?
 
Last I checked, Diabetes affects a disproportionately large amount of black people and yet we don't call it a blacks' disease.
 

Gaborn

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joshcryer said:
OK seriously? It's taboo to point out that in western countries AIDS is most prevelant in gay people?

There's a HUGE difference between saying that gays have the highest prevalence of AIDS in developed nations, and "AIDS is a gay disease" the two statements are NOT linked. AIDS is an education disease, because condom use lowers rates tremendously. AIDS is a promiscuity disease because the less sex you have the less likely you are to get it. AIDS is a disease affected by the type of sex you have (heterosexuals can have anal sex and oral sex too). AIDS isn't a disease based on who a person is but the steps a person takes to prevent or increase exposure.
 

lexi

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I'm not quite sure I understand why being circumsized reduces the risk of infection by 60%. Can somebody explain this to me?
 
It's like asking why it's dumb to call sickle cell "the black disease" or breast cancer "the woman illness". At the very least, they're antiquated phrases which don't describe the disease at all. At the worst, it implies that the diseases exist because of someone being gay, black, etc.

Gaborn said:
the problem of considering AIDS a "gay disease" is multi-fold. First, it assumes that only homosexuals can get it. While it's true that gay men are disproportionately likely to have HIV outside of Africa it's entirely possible for a heterosexual male to get it and giving the opposite impression cuts down on the chance for an infected heterosexual to get tested early and potentially have earlier access to drugs to help treat the condition.

Second, typically the "gay disease" claim is made to stigmatize homosexuality. That is, rather than using religious ideology to voice disagreement with homosexuality, some people cloak their rhetoric in disease and potential health effects (implying the false sense that being gay inevitably means that you have AIDS or other STDs).

Third, the stereotype of the infected gay male ignores the very real health problems especially among black women who are disproportionately affected, and by stigmatizing it in terms of gay sex it ignores other groups and communities that do not face a strong social stigma and punishes them for something they had no choice in getting.

Exactly.

Why can't you just call AIDS, AIDS?
 

Gaborn

Member
lockii said:
I'm not quite sure I understand why being circumsized reduces the risk of infection by 60%. Can somebody explain this to me?

Honestly I doubt it does directly. My hunch is that it's not circumcision itself that reduces infection, it's the accompanying factors. My guess is that people that are urged to be circumcised are simultaneously more likely to be urged by those same people to use condoms and other safe sex practices. So I doubt that it's circumcision that leads to lower infection rates, it's that the people who tend to get circumcised are more receptive to other sex ed information.
 

B!TCH

how are you, B!TCH? How is your day going, B!ITCH?
teiresias said:
Possibly because of the huge amount of infected women and their children that contracted the disease while in the womb?

Is it so difficult to imagine that a homosexual male in a homophobic environment would have female partners as well? HIV transmission in the womb is virtually non-existant with access to the appropriate drugs.


In response to LTLYB's post,

1) How do you know how many homosexuals there are in an environment where no one admits to it? Once it is transmitted to women, heterosexual males are also at risk.

2) Utter nonsense and entirely ignorant.

3) This is true but if you accept that cultural taboo would prevent someone from admitting having HIV/AIDS why do you refuse that homosexuality is equally, if not, more taboo a subject?

To your final point, I agree, and part of that social climate is how they treat homosexuals. I'm not anti-gay in the least but in my opinion if HIV/AIDS is spread mainly by homosexual men it is more important to understand why than to hide behind the veil of political correctness because we are afraid of appearing as if we are prejudiced against a certain population. Political correctness when it comes to public health is counter-productive.
 

ivysaur12

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Gaborn said:
There's a HUGE difference between saying that gays have the highest prevalence of AIDS in developed nations, and "AIDS is a gay disease" the two statements are NOT linked. AIDS is an education disease, because condom use lowers rates tremendously. AIDS is a promiscuity disease because the less sex you have the less likely you are to get it. AIDS is a disease affected by the type of sex you have (heterosexuals can have anal sex and oral sex too). AIDS isn't a disease based on who a person is but the steps a person takes to prevent or increase exposure.

This.
 

Evander

"industry expert"
The reason is because there is nothing inherently gay about the disease. The only reason that gay people are more likely to get the disease is because they are more likely to have sex with some one who already has it. It is an "everybody" disease that just happens to be more widely spread within the gay community.

Calling it a "gay disease", though, sends the impression that you have to be gay to get it, or that there is something else going on, other than simply being less likely to sleep with some one who has it, which would prevent heteros from getting it. This leads to MASSIVE misinformation, and all, and potentially to some hetero folks neglecting to get tested, and contracting, and even spreadin the disease, because they didn't realize that it was a risk.



Also, why do you WANT to call it a gay disease? The fact that you started this thread implies that you actually care for some reason, and I find that to be pretty odd, honestly. What does it matter what its called?
 

Karakand

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icarus-daedelus said:
A genuine effort towards education, firstly, and then infrastructure and agricultural development would help, but that assumes that first world countries would consider the development of Africa a priority, which they pretty clearly don't.
That's what I meant by abandonment. :)
 
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