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Why is Nintendo allowed to get away with lying?

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olimario

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Why does the media never call them on it? Why is never directly asked to Perrin Kaplan or George Harrison?
-Mario 128 was promised by several folks at Nintendo to be at E3, but it's nowhere to be found.
-Nintendo promised that the Revolution would be just as powerful as the competition, yet it's onlt 2-3x the GameCube.

These are only recent examples I can think of, but I know it's happened many more time than that. NOA needs to be sure of what they're saying before they relay NCL information, and NCL needs to show some responsability and fulfill their promises.
 
At least with the fanbase, its quite clear that they ARENT allowed to get away with it. But as far as media goes, perhaps we'll hear something today, with the Kaplan IGN live thing, and the Gamespot Reggie chat. Hopefully someone has the balls (or smarts) enough to ask them "What the fuck is wrong with you guys?"
 
Nintendo is a changed company, wait for 2 hours. I have a friend that works the hot dog stand outside E3, he was frying up some sausages for Reggie and asked him about Revolution... Reggie is gonna be takin names this morning.
 
ImNotLikeThem said:
At least with the fanbase, its quite clear that they ARENT allowed to get away with it. But as far as media goes, perhaps we'll hear something today, with the Kaplan IGN live thing, and the Gamespot Reggie chat. Hopefully someone has the balls (or smarts) enough to ask them "What the fuck is wrong with you guys?"
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I would love for it to be true, but I have a feeling every time a question like that is about to be asked Perrin will hand the inquirer a hat full of cash.
 
olimario said:
-Nintendo promised that the Revolution would be just as powerful as the competition, yet it's onlt 2-3x the GameCube.
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theres no proof that it isnt as powerfull as the competition.

Theyve got a beter team then ms working on their gpu, and its releasing a year later. youre retarded if you think it wont atleast outperform 360
 
Nintendo, must like their audience, are treated like kids. Kids lie to try to get adults attention when adults are busy. No one blames the kids for trying to get some attention, it is in thier nature.
 
I think it has a lot to do with the current public perception and lowered expectations. People expect a lot less from them than the other 2 (outside of GAF). And they've always been super secretive too.
 
I recall statements similar to these from Nintendo, but do you have links so we can actually see if they're lying, or if our memories are just tricking us?
 
ImNotLikeThem said:
But as far as media goes, perhaps we'll hear something today, with the Kaplan IGN live thing
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Yeah right, I see it going something like this...

IGN: Where i is Mario 128?
Kaplan: Says alot without saying much then waves hand much like OBi-WAn
Ign: wow Mario 128 is the greatest game ever..
 
KnotLikely said:
Nintendo is a changed company, wait for 2 hours. I have a friend that works the hot dog stand outside E3, he was frying up some sausages for Reggie and asked him about Revolution... Reggie is gonna be takin names this morning.
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Really? :)
 
Hajaz said:
Theyve got a beter team then ms working on their gpu, and its releasing a year later. youre retarded if you think it wont atleast outperform 360
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I'm not sure he's the retarded one. Never mind their limited comments about not having a "turbo powered" mindset.
 
Hajaz said:
theres no proof that it isnt as powerfull as the competition.

Theyve got a beter team then ms working on their gpu, and its releasing a year later. youre retarded if you think it wont atleast outperform 360
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:lol :lol :lol Try to fit a 3.2ghz CPU a very potent GPU in that tiny case....oh wait it will be more tiny :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
I have no idea about Mario 128, but this talk about the Revolution being underpowered is premature. For one thing, Sony and MS overhyped their specs in the last generation. They threw out numbers like "100 milion polygons a second" when they knew that they would never achieve that rate in a real game. When Nintendo talked about the GC specs, they mentioned 12-14 million polygons. Looking at it from face value, that would make the Gamecube appear underpowered as compared to the competition. In the case of the PS2, the GC was more powerful, and it's mighty close to the Xbox as well.

All we've heard about the Revolution is that MoSys says it's going to have 4 2.5ghz powerPC cores in the machine. We don't know about the system RAM yet, but I'd be willing to bet it's going to be more than comparable to next generation systems.

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FiRez said:
:lol :lol :lol Try to fit a 3.2ghz CPU a very potent GPU in that a that tiny case....oh wait it will be more tiny :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Are you a moron? You act like the more megahertz a chip has the bigger the physical footprint will be. Have you ever seen the Flipper GPU? It's about half the size of your fingernail.
 
Haleon said:
All we've heard about the Revolution is that MoSys says it's going to have 4 2.5ghz powerPC cores in the machine. We don't know about the system RAM yet, but I'd be willing to bet it's going to be more than comparable to next generation systems.
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Oh don't go there..
 
FiRez said:
:lol :lol :lol Try to fit a 3.2ghz CPU a very potent GPU in that a that tiny case....oh wait it will be more tiny :lol :lol :lol :lol
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You Have a point because everyone knows the more powerful the chip is the bigger it is...Oh wait thats not true, I guess you don't have a point...
 
rev will play DVD with an optional internal attachment.
how the fuck do you do that?
Do they want us to open it up and put it in??
 
Musashi Wins! said:
I'm not sure he's the retarded one. Never mind their limited comments about not having a "turbo powered" mindset.
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Well those comments and the tiny form factor have raised some doubts on the system capabilities. ATi did maintain though that Nintendo was spending the same amount for their GPU as Microsoft... I wish we'd have gotten some specs. We'll probably have to wait for TGS/fall now. :/
 
ThongyDonk said:
rev will play DVD with an optional internal attachment.
how the fuck do you do that?
Do they want us to open it up and put it in??
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It might be as simple as purchasing a DVD decoder (and thus, a license) online and saving it on the 512 meg of embedded flash memory.
 
FiRez said:
:lol :lol :lol Try to fit a 3.2ghz CPU a very potent GPU in that a that tiny case....oh wait it will be more tiny :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Keep in mind of what Xbox 360 and PS3 both include. Hard drives, all of those multimedia functions, etc.. That's quite a bit, and the biggest reason why theyre bigger
 
Haleon said:
Are you a moron? You act like the more megahertz a chip has the bigger the physical footprint will be. Have you ever seen the Flipper GPU? It's about half the size of your fingernail.
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You Have a point because everyone knows the more powerful the chip is the bigger it is...Oh wait thats not true, I guess you don't have a point...
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Why bother?
anyway: If you want a fried CPU, GPU, RAM and a broken console there will be no problem trying to fit a competitive hardware in the revolution case. it will boot for 6 sec. and blam!!
 
FiRez said:
Why bother?
anyway: If you want a fried CPU, GPU, RAM and a broken console there will be no problem trying to fit a competitive hardware in the revolution case.
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You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about. My Dell Axim is more powerful than computers used for the original space flight missions. Technology shrinks.
 
and wtf did iwata mean when he said 'when you turn on revolution and see the graphics you will say wow!'.

wow as in what? zelda tp wow, or ps3 ff7 wow?

nintendo get's away with too much!
 
ziran said:
and wtf did iwata mean when he said 'when you turn on revolution and see the graphics you will say wow!'.

wow as in what? zelda tp wow, or ps3 ff7 wow?

nintendo get's away with too much!
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For real. If Rev is so much weaker than the competition, then how could you expect such a leap over graphics. Maybe that's why he said "Revolution maybe less powerful......"
 
Haleon said:
You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about. My Dell Axim is more powerful than computers used for the original space flight missions. Technology shrinks.
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Yes, Technology shrinks but not without the pass of the time, besides you need more money if you want to produce the same HW in a more small factor form. and Nintendo wants a cheap console also you're overeacting too much I never said that the revolution will be a useless piece of HW is just that the revolution will not have the raw power of the other consoles,
 
All the major companies lie. If the press calls Nintendo on this lies, then they should certainly call Sony on the pre-rendered/real-time issue for the fact that MS's BC is a joke. Nintendo gets away with as much as everybody else does.
 
ziran said:
and wtf did iwata mean when he said 'when you turn on revolution and see the graphics you will say wow!'.

wow as in what? zelda tp wow, or ps3 ff7 wow?

nintendo get's away with too much!
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World of Warcraft noob.
 
the team that is doing rev GPU are the same team that did flipper, witch is housed in a pretty small case and still keeps up with the competition.
It's also the team that designed the original radeon 9700 core, a core witch is beeing recycled to this day by ATI in their X800 cards.

MS got the crappy team witch designed the radeon 8500


As for the case,
_ no HD
_ no built in PSU
_ launching a year later allows to fab a chip that runs cooler (just look at pstwo and the later fanless xboxes)

Nintendo was equally modest about GC before it launched. It ended up easily outperforming PS2 and arguably on par with the more expensive Xbox. I disagree with their decision not to hype the graphical aspect like Sony and MS do though, coz alot of people still perceive GC as the weakest system

something also worth considering is that Nintendo is actually willing to launch its hardware at a loss this time witch they didnt do last gen.


more talented team, more time advantage and bigger budget means powerfull hardware, simple as that
 
FiRez said:
Yes, Technology shrinks but not without the pass of the time, besides you need more money if you want to produce the same HW in a more small factor form. and Nintendo wants a cheap console
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Nintendo produced technology that was competitive with the Xbox (which was top of the line at the time) and crammed it into the GC case. In addition, they sold it for 200 dollars and made a profit. Obviously it can be done.
 
I never believed in Mario 128, I never thought that it was ever in development. I think it was first mentioned when Miyamoto had an interview with playboy, but I was too busy laughing at the idea of Miyamoto in the playboy mansion to take notice of Mario 128. He probably had his eyes closed because it was too mature for him.
 
FiRez said:
:lol :lol :lol Try to fit a 3.2ghz CPU a very potent GPU in that a that tiny case....oh wait it will be more tiny :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I have to agree with that. :)



*Looks at dual processor 2.5 GHZ G5 Powermac with massive watercooled heatsink.*
 
Hajaz said:
something also worth considering is that Nintendo is actually willing to launch its hardware at a loss this time witch they didnt do last gen.
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Actually, GameCube was taking a slight loss at launch (around $20). Still an amazing piece of engineering though... if GameCube's any indication, I doubt Revolution will be seriously lacking performance wise in the next generation.
 
Gamecube launched at the same time as the Xbox and was considerably smaller and more cost-efficient, yet it performed comparably. If the revolution launches a full year later, of course it will be able to meet the size restrictions and yet outperform the Xbox 360 at least.
 
olimario said:
Why does the media never call them on it? Why is never directly asked to Perrin Kaplan or George Harrison?
-Mario 128 was promised by several folks at Nintendo to be at E3, but it's nowhere to be found.
-Nintendo promised that the Revolution would be just as powerful as the competition, yet it's onlt 2-3x the GameCube.

These are only recent examples I can think of, but I know it's happened many more time than that. NOA needs to be sure of what they're saying before they relay NCL information, and NCL needs to show some responsability and fulfill their promises.
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I think all businesses do this and not having a game at E3 shows that it is not ready to shown what is wrong with that? Besides the REV was just as powerful as the others when they said that because they didn't know how powerful the others were, or even their own product at the time... I think people read into the comments too much anyways..
 
Worm_Buffet said:
Gamecube launched at the same time as the Xbox and was considerably smaller and more cost-efficient, yet it performed comparably. If the revolution launches a full year later, of course it will be able to meet the size restrictions and yet outperform the Xbox 360 at least.
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Well, to Xbox's credit, it was built in under 2 years, with almost off the shelf parts. It also included a hard disk, which does take quite a bit of space. In essence, that example is really irrelevant in this case.
 
themadcowtipper said:
Yeah right, I see it going something like this...

IGN: Where i is Mario 128?
Kaplan: Says alot without saying much then waves hand much like OBi-WAn
Ign: wow Mario 128 is the greatest game ever..
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except that IGN always ask retarded questions. they probably wont ask for mario128.


btw what do you mean with getaway? Should we throw them in jail.
 
Blackace said:
I think all businesses do this and not having a game at E3 shows that it is not ready to shown what is wrong with that? Besides the REV was just as powerful as the others when they said that because they didn't know how powerful the others were, or even their own product at the time... I think people read into the comments too much anyways..
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Then they need to stop making promises. If you say you're going to do something, do it. If you say something of yours has certain features it better damn well have it.

And if Nintendo didn't know how powerful the PS3 was going to be then why did they make that statement at all. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
 
olimario said:
Then they need to stop making promises. If you say you're going to do something, do it. If you say something of yours has certain features it better damn well have it.

And if Nintendo didn't know how powerful the PS3 was going to be then why did they make that statement at all. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
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Does brand x toothpaste really make your teeth whiter? or does brand x soap really make your skin softer? it is called marketing... Sony and MS are just as bad with the hype wagon as Nintendo and you know this to be true young Jedi...
 
I do, but the Halo effect forces me to believe Nintendo has some kind of integrity, which they clearly don't. And promises to show a game and then not showing it isn't marketing. It's lying.
 
IJoel said:
Well, to Xbox's credit, it was built in under 2 years, with almost off the shelf parts. It also included a hard disk, which does take quite a bit of space. In essence, that example is really irrelevant in this case.
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Add too

-Intertnal power supply
-DVD Drive
-Horizontal alignement of both drives
 
olimario said:
I do, but the Halo effect forces me to believe Nintendo has some kind of integrity, which they clearly don't. And promises to show a game and then not showing it isn't marketing. It's lying.
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OH come on! Nintendo were never saints! When they were on top they were a ruthless company driven by cash... why change now?
 
Well, to Xbox's credit, it was built in under 2 years, with almost off the shelf parts. It also included a hard disk, which does take quite a bit of space. In essence, that example is really irrelevant in this case.
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Yeah the Xbox was quite stupid, using off the shelf hardware, but I don't think that makes the example totally irrelevant. Size is also a question of choice, I'm not sure MS really cares about making a smaller console. The core-components (GPU, CPU, RAM, etc.) don't really use a lot of space, the biggest issue is heat which can be battled with some clever engineering. And also, Moore's law dictates that performance doubles every 18 months, so a year is quiet a while.
 
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