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[Odoul]

Maybe someone involved in law can help me understand.

First things first. I don't enjoy it. It's some disgusting/evil shit, and my lunch would come up before my dick. I understand why it's illegal to make or produce it. You're directly in hurting a little kid in ways no one has the right to do to anyone. Lock the people who film/star/produce it in a dog cage for the rest of their life.

But why can you be sent to prison for possession? How exactly is the law worded?

 

[sprsk]

I found this while looking for apicture of someone digging a grave

 

[temp]

same reason it's illegal to own a will smith album

 

[Triumph]

Maybe someone involved in law can help me understand.

First things first. I don't enjoy it. It's some disgusting/evil shit, and my lunch would come up before my dick. I understand why it's illegal to make or produce it. You're directly in hurting a little kid in ways no one has the right to do to anyone. Lock the people who film/star/produce it in a dog cage for the rest of their life.

But why can you be sent to prison for possession? How exactly is the law worded?

Michael?

 

[sirris]

Because if you get your rocks off on looking at that sludge then you are potentially an immediate threat to any child you come into contact with. Pedos don't stop at photos. They inevitably desire the real deal.

 

[WedgeX]

Possession of illegal materials....I thought it was self-explanatory?

 

[Coin Return]

THE KIDDY PORN SPIDER KILLS! KSS! KSS!

 

[Odoul]

Michael?

Joe?

 

[Liono]

Because if you own something you support it. Not supporting it will make it cease.

 

[NLB2]

Because if you get your rocks off on looking at that sludge then you are potentially an immediate threat to any child you come into contact with. Pedos don't stop at photos. They inevitably desire the real deal.

That's wrong.

Its because looking at child porn may mean supporting child porn economically which means supporting the rape of children.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Because it proves you don't deserve freedom.

 

[mrmyth]

Not to mention you couldn't have the shit in the first place of some fucko didn't produce it. So if its illegal to produce it, it logically follows that its illegal to have it.

 

[Liono]

image

is it your job around here to post annoying and disturbing animations?

 

[DarthWoo]

Not to mention you couldn't have the shit in the first place of some fucko didn't produce it. So if its illegal to produce it, it logically follows that its illegal to have it.

Well, not necessarily. Generally obscene materials are also illegal to produce, but not to possess. I actually learned why it is otherwise in this case, and have it written down in a notebook somewhere, but unfortunately I pretty much forgot since that class was a year ago, and apparently my mind fails to retain things that long without review.

 

[sprsk]

im scared. someone hold me

 

[fse]

its not illegal in some european countries. i think pornographic forms are banned here, but not art. nude art...

"But why can you be sent to prison for possession? How exactly is the law worded?"

Christian morals?

 

[Minotauro]

I've wondered about this for a long time. Unless I'm mistaken, it's the only illegal activity that is also illegal to possess pictures of. Anyone else with a deeper knowledge of the law feel free to correct me though. Murder is illegal but possessing a video of a murder isn't.

The reason it's illegal though is that it provides a convenient way for them to lock up pedophiles. There seems to be an assumption in society that pedophiles will always act on their fantasies. Whether this is true or not is another matter. Still, it's a difficult thing to have a conversation about. People really don't like hearing anything even remotely positive about pedophiles.

 

[shuri]

 

[fse]

pedophillia is really just a mental illness, its not bad until you hurt someone. some may disagree ofcourse. if a 15 year old fucks a 12 year old is that pedophillia?

 

[border]

It's illegal for the same reason that a snuff film would be illegal -- because it's evidence of a crime (or something to that extent) that must be turned over to authorities.

It is not illegal because it "encourages pedophiles to act out fantasies in real life". That is a very dangerous mentality to hold, and once you buy into it then you will have to start violating all manner of First Amendment rights.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Probably has to do with the age of consent dealio.

 

[fse]

snuff films are illegal?

 

[Dilbert]

It's illegal for the same reason that a snuff film would be illegal -- because it's evidence of a crime (or something to that extent) that must be turned over to authorities.

border, as usual, dispensing the clear-headed analysis.

 

[sprsk]

snuff films are illegal?

yes, now go out and make one and put it on the internet?

 

[border]

I don't believe snuff films actually exist, but in theory they would be illegal yes.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't believe snuff films actually exist, but in theory they would be illegal yes.

The FBI investigates "snuff" films on a regular basis and has never determined that one of the videos was real. I do not know about foreign films.

 

[fse]

they probably could.

 

[Pellham]

if a 15 year old fucks a 12 year old is that pedophillia?

No, and in most states, they give you a 2-3 year leeway - i.e. 20 year olds can have sex with 17 year olds.

 

[border]

Larry Flynt has always had some huge cash reward for anybody that can come forward with proof of a snuff film. Still no takers :lol At this point, if they actually existed I believe that something somewhere would have leaked out over the internet....or at least over to the FBI when they do raids.

 

[Pellham]

i've heard that videos like women in high heels squishing baby chicks are illegal, I guess because they are obscene?

 

[human5892]

i've heard that videos like women in high heels squishing baby chicks are illegal, I guess because they are obscene?

:lol

Sorry, it was just so specific...I just imagined someone logging onto some P2P program and searching for "Woman in high heels" + "crushing baby chicks".

 

[fse]

No, and in most states, they give you a 2-3 year leeway - i.e. 20 year olds can have sex with 17 year olds.

fine then what about 11 and 16? they are still not adults...

 

[fse]

high heels+dead babies...

interesting.

 

[sc0la]

I found this while looking for apicture of someone digging a grave

I think that is a picture of my dog

 

[border]

Presumably animal torture videos would also be evidence of a crime, and thus illegal to harbor.

The Snuff film hubub was just a lot of malarkey put on by anti-pornography zealots, who have never been afraid to lie if it furthers their agenda. Even anti-child porn laws were passed after the breadth and extent of the problem had been greatly exaggerated.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

terrible thread... sometimes GAF scares the shit out of me

but I guess its a legit question

 

[DarthWoo]

I'm not sure that just the mere presence of an illegal act on media would make possession of that media illegal. If that was the case, it might not be such a good idea to buy anything from that plethora of "World's Scariest Whatever" videos.

 

[Minotauro]

I'm not sure that just the mere presence of an illegal act on media would make possession of that media illegal. If that was the case, it might not be such a good idea to buy anything from that plethora of "World's Scariest Whatever" videos.

Yeah, or how about the JFK footage? Isn't that technically a snuff film? Or, is it a snuff film only when the footage was shot entirely for that purpose?

How about if someone was to videotape their friend robbing a convenience store? I would imagine that the cameraman and the robber would each be in trouble but would it be illegal for someone else to possess the tape?

How about documentaries about drug addicts? I've seen multiple shows on HBO about meth addicts that show them injecting drugs.

 

[border]

"World's Scariest Police Chases" are police video logs, not witheld evidence.

 

[DarthWoo]

"World's Scariest Police Chases" are police video logs, not witheld evidence.

True, but withholding evidence isn't the same as just possessing something. You could just make a copy of something if they really wanted it as evidence, and still be possessing it.

 

[Space Age Playboy]

So, if it's illegal because the owner could be withholding potential evidence, what's the charge? Obstruction of justice?

 

[cloudwalking]

i think these kind fellows would be happy to help you with any questions you may have concerning the subject.

 

[Pellham]

Yeah, or how about the JFK footage? Isn't that technically a snuff film? Or, is it a snuff film only when the footage was shot entirely for that purpose?

a snuff film is a film in which someone is killed & raped, or just killed, for sexual purposes. check out the movie 8mm, it's basically about a detective investigating such a work.

 

[bionic77]

Lets just lock and delete this thread before the Feds shut down GAF.

 

[Escape Goat]

Possessin is 9/10 of the law or something

 

[Deleted member 4784]

I hope the poster of this topic is simply inquisitive as to the legal reasons and nothing more. As for the question: Why is possessing kiddy porn illegal? Maybe because it promotes an establishment that profits from the gross exploitation of innocent children.

 

[border]

The charge for possesion of child pornography would be uhhh....Possession of Child Pornography. Not sure how the FBI would handle it in the case of a snuff film....though it's irrelevant until there is one that actually exists.

"You could just make a copy of something if they really wanted it as evidence"? Look, the "evidence" line of thought keeps anti-child-porn people quiet for the most part, and at the same time protects free spech. I don't think that they are really going to go back and rewrite the law so that it says child porn fans can send copies of child porn to the local police and keep their stash.

 

[NLB2]

I hope the poster of this topic is simply inquisitive as to the legal reasons and nothing more. As for the question: Why is possessing kiddy porn illegal? Maybe because it promotes an establishment that profits from the gross exploitation of innocent children.

The poster wrote that he is disgusted by child pornography.

And you're right, that is why kiddy porn is illegal.

Minotauro - I think the difference between a snuff film and JFK being assasinated has to do with lewdness. A snuff film is considered lewd and thus not protected by first amendment rights. Same reason why child pornography is able to be illegal (as is all other types of pornography) - because it is lewd and this is also the reason why Sally Mann can publish nude pictures of her children - because those pictures aren't lewd and are protected by the first amendment.

 

[automagnus]

No, and in most states, they give you a 2-3 year leeway - i.e. 20 year olds can have sex with 17 year olds.

Not really, they will put on probation but there won't be any jail time. Or it might be very very little jail time (from a week to a month)

 

[fse]

this is a legit thread some people get uncomfortable with this topic... :\