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Why is possessing kiddy porn illegal?
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.cloudwalking
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RiZ III said:
usually, don't they have to put something like "all persons depicted are over 18 years of age" if it's sold in the states?
OpinionatedCyborg
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f_elz said:
Porn =/= art
Kid =/= adult
Saria =/= legal for you fuck
On the subject of snuff flims, I absolutely think some of them are legit. Of course they're never going to come out and say "yeah, this one's the real deal" cause then EVERYONE would wanna see it. It's just easier to say they don't exist.
As far as kiddie porn, my cousin is getting 5 years in a federal prison for kiddie porn. He'll prolly only serve two. It's actually quite sad cause he wasn't into that at all. He was running a "virtual FTP" on dalnet about 4 years ago and a couple people were uploading kiddie porn to thier "accounts" that he didn't know about.
The irony about it is that he prolly does deserve to go to a federal prison, but not for having kiddie porn. He's ran quite a few various phishing scams over the years and probably made close to about $30,000.
As far as kiddie porn, my cousin is getting 5 years in a federal prison for kiddie porn. He'll prolly only serve two. It's actually quite sad cause he wasn't into that at all. He was running a "virtual FTP" on dalnet about 4 years ago and a couple people were uploading kiddie porn to thier "accounts" that he didn't know about.
The irony about it is that he prolly does deserve to go to a federal prison, but not for having kiddie porn. He's ran quite a few various phishing scams over the years and probably made close to about $30,000.
OpinionatedCyborg
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Nude art is not illegal because the participants are there on their own free will.
Adult porn is not illegal because the participants know the consequences of their actions and can make mature decisions.
Child porn is illegal because the participants are being exploited for their innocence.
Adult porn is not illegal because the participants know the consequences of their actions and can make mature decisions.
Child porn is illegal because the participants are being exploited for their innocence.
cloudwalking
300chf ain't shit to me
f_elz said:
people who take part in nude art are doing it voluntarily.
with kiddie porn, the children are usually forced to take part in the act with the use of violence, threats, or psychological manipulation. it's not a nice thing.
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That has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read. Pornstars, nude models and strippers are adults who choose that field. Granted they may be abused or downtrodden but they are not children and it is their choice. Kiddie porn is the violation of a childs rights and body.f_elz said:
Luscious LeftFoot
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f_elz said:
No, to be considered a pedo a person has to be least 16 and at least 5 yrs older than the victim. There's other factors too, most of which I can't remember, dealing with recurrent sexual urges and desires.
cloudwalking
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f_elz said:
children really legally can't give written consent to do anything.
you have to be 18 before you could sign anything of that nature.
even child actors and children in other professional positions -- they have to have their parents take care of everything until they are 18.
ok, yeah, i'm 17. i wanna be a porn star.
i can't do it? well why not?
because there is legal stuff involved! and you can't legally sign any of that shit until you're 18.
try to tell me that a 10 year old kid could sign for anything.
cloudwalking
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f_elz said:
probably in that case the parent would be thrown in jail for exploitation of a minor.
there's really no way around it.
I've always wondered about the laws regarding pornography of teenage girls that make some dirty pictures or sex tape for their boyfriend some 5 years ago and it gets out. You know, the teenage hos! Is the legal age still and always 18? I guess it is, but does elapsed time matter? If this is based on victimization, then does it matter if you are the same age as the person? If you are a peer, is there any way to take advantage of them since you are at the same level? Say there's some pictures from three years ago, you know 'slut shots' of a 16 year old girl you knew in highschool that was in the same grade as you. You're both 19 now. Is it illegal to look at them now? Is she a victim really?
Odoul said:
If you happen to stumble across child porn, are totally disgusted by it, why the hell would you then choose to keep it? Just to prove a point that you don't think the law is just? The fact that you are against child porn should be enough to convince people it's legal for you to own it for some unknown reason? Is this what you're asking? I think the fact that any child porn that is produced is a total rape of any child in question, should make the fact that it's illegal to posses pretty obvious. I think this is pretty much a black and white issue.
Um... why else would you want to possess kiddy porn if you weren't going to look at it? If it was because you were simply curious to see how bad it really is, I suppose you could argue that but honestly - who needs to watch kiddy porn in order to understand what it is and why it's so wrong? If it was for research purposes, you should probably get legal permission first - but even then, the only place you could acquire it from would be a law agency, as I don't think they would suggest going to illegal websites or your crazy neighbor that is suspected to have it. And if they did, they'd want to know exactly where you went and/or who you got it from, which automatically puts you in a bad situation.
IMO, you could indeed question the law if you got arrested for having pics of a girl that was gonna be 18 in, say, two weeks or something, but even then... there are more than enough pornos of girls at or well over the legal age. And of course, they have to draw the line somewhere. 18 is very reasonable, and quite frankly I'm surprised that under the Bush administration it hasn't been changed to 21 yet.
The moral of the story: if someone has kiddy porn, they most likely enjoy looking at it and possibly selling it. It's not like mp3's where a lot of people just strictly want to download and not upload the songs to others. Then again, I'm sure there are a lot of kiddy porn fiends that are big leechers too. But what's worse: someone that leeches mp3's or someone that leeches kiddy porn? Self-explanatory here... which is why I find it disgusting that there seems to be a larger effort to crack down on mp3 piracy than there is to crack down on people sharing/leeching child pornography.
IMO, you could indeed question the law if you got arrested for having pics of a girl that was gonna be 18 in, say, two weeks or something, but even then... there are more than enough pornos of girls at or well over the legal age. And of course, they have to draw the line somewhere. 18 is very reasonable, and quite frankly I'm surprised that under the Bush administration it hasn't been changed to 21 yet.
The moral of the story: if someone has kiddy porn, they most likely enjoy looking at it and possibly selling it. It's not like mp3's where a lot of people just strictly want to download and not upload the songs to others. Then again, I'm sure there are a lot of kiddy porn fiends that are big leechers too. But what's worse: someone that leeches mp3's or someone that leeches kiddy porn? Self-explanatory here... which is why I find it disgusting that there seems to be a larger effort to crack down on mp3 piracy than there is to crack down on people sharing/leeching child pornography.
Excuse me for not wanting to watch 3/4ths of a movie in random clips over the length of a year. e_eandroid said:
I would think that normal people don't like having a movie shown to them until they watch it, you know, for the suspense of what'll happen next? Sure, we all know (star wars fans) what is supposed to happen in this movie, but I'd rather leave the details out until i watch it myself.
But I guess normal people really love having everything told to them beforehand because the experience is apparently secondary. I guess that's why Gamefaqs is so popular. =P
Well I'm sorry if I spoiled the way you are approaching the movie but you are acting like I exposed a major plot point secret that will make the movie unwatchable. Blame George Lucas. He deemed it valid and decide it would not ruin the movie so he put it in the trailer. I figure it is fair game. He made the trailer for us to watch, not hide from. I watch every single trailer for movies that interest me and it doesn't make me enjoy them any less. In fact, I enjoy them more because it makes me look for the scene and wonder how it came to happen in the movie.
Maybe someone involved in law can help me understand.
First things first. I don't enjoy it. It's some disgusting/evil shit, and my lunch would come up before my habit. I understand why it's illegal to make or produce it. You're directly in hurting a little plant in ways no one has the right to do to anyone. Lock the people who grow/sell/produce it in a dog cage for the rest of their life.
But why can you be sent to prison for possession? How exactly is the law worded?
First things first. I don't enjoy it. It's some disgusting/evil shit, and my lunch would come up before my habit. I understand why it's illegal to make or produce it. You're directly in hurting a little plant in ways no one has the right to do to anyone. Lock the people who grow/sell/produce it in a dog cage for the rest of their life.
But why can you be sent to prison for possession? How exactly is the law worded?
Because, like I said: why else would you simply possess it? For shits and giggles? No. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I guess you ignored my comment. Chances are if you have child porn, you like watching it or maybe even selling or just distributing it freely to others interested.
I mean, why else would you have child porn? It's not anything to take pride in like a playboy magazine collection or gun rack. It's closer to having a dead body in your room. It's one of those things where, most of the time, someone has it and their intentions were never good to begin with.
I mean, why else would you have child porn? It's not anything to take pride in like a playboy magazine collection or gun rack. It's closer to having a dead body in your room. It's one of those things where, most of the time, someone has it and their intentions were never good to begin with.
While on the subject, there's also some sites which are skirting under child exploitation laws by positioning themselves as child modelling sites. There was a report on this a few years ago on Dr. Phil or Oprah a few years ago. The sites have girls from ten to their teens in various outfits (usually revealing) in suggestive poses. i didn't think it was that bad until i checked it out myself. i usually don't feel affected by a lot of the gross/extreme things i see on the web, but i felt sick looking at some of the stuff. There's no nudity, but i can't see any redeeming quality to it. The worst part of it is that the company that owns the sites are supposedly a porn company. i can't see why any parent would let their daughter pose for these sites, when it's so obviously selling to the pedo fap market.
Trailers are there to make people want to watch it, it's not really meant for those who've already made their mind up. That's why they show a lot of the cool stuff from the movie and is all out of context.android said:
I like teaser trailers that shows new content that is seperate from the movies, like that Spider-Man trailer about the bank robbery. Pixar also does a great job with their teaser trailers. They're basically mini-episodes to introduce their characters, not the movie. Overglorified commercials like The Clone Wars on Cartoon Network tell a story while making people want to watch the upcoming movie (AND BUY TOYS). Regular trailers are just pure advertising without any real content that should be skipped to those who've already made up their mind (unless they're like you and like knowing everything beforehand).
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Diablos said:
There was a case in the past few years of a college official who was in possesion of child porn. For some reason he was charged with molestation, probably an over enthusiastic DA, and it was thrown out. Although it didn't set a historic precident that possesion is unlike, and does not lead to distribution or production, at the time it was conveyed that way.
I've changed it and I'm sorry for spoiling it for you. I guess I can sympathize as I seem to have things spoiled for me on this forum daily. Gaimeguy's avatar for one, ruined a part of RE4 for meluxsol said:
(I figured there was only one El Gigante until I saw it)
BobbyRobby
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I wonder how far away photrealistic CG Child Porn is, not that I'm interested. Do you think that would be illegal as well?
NLB2 said:
Indeed, quite pathetic, if one makes some p0rn for a gf/bf while one's below 18 one get's in trouble for possesing it later on, even if it only includes footage of one's self.
I don't know how this works with regards to naturist/nudist recreational activity, I sure would be careful were I'd aim the camera(If I decided to participate in nudist/naturist activities), just to be sure no gov. INTRUDING INTO MY PRIVATE LIFE misinterprets any vid. and decides that it's for the best interest of society to send me to jail. Let's just see how they decide to get some more patriot laws going and ensure they can intrude even more into my private life... The guts they've got, I mean the possibility that the gov. can f5ck you for perfectly moral and acceptable private behavior, it's just sad to have to watch over your shoulder for Big Brother is looking straight at ya.
Spainkiller
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I love the way that people are so terrified of peadophillia that even asking a question about it gets a load of snide 'I hope that...' and 'There's more to this topic than meets the eye' remarks. Ignore them, original poster. Let them squirm!
Face it, peadophillia is an unfortunate, sad sexual preference. A peadophille doesn't choose to be attracted to children, and at a guess I'd say 1% of them act on their fantasies. The majority sit there hating themselves for what they are, or try to lead a normal life, usually to no avail. It's sad, and it doesn't help that people are so willing to immediately brand them as 'evil'. We need to grow up and understand it.
Face it, peadophillia is an unfortunate, sad sexual preference. A peadophille doesn't choose to be attracted to children, and at a guess I'd say 1% of them act on their fantasies. The majority sit there hating themselves for what they are, or try to lead a normal life, usually to no avail. It's sad, and it doesn't help that people are so willing to immediately brand them as 'evil'. We need to grow up and understand it.
MrPing1000
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What I want to know is why is the legal age for sex and to appear in porno 16 in all of the Uk cept Northern Ireland where its 17.
Of course this had little impact on my life.
Of course this had little impact on my life.
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