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[Dude Abides]

Amirox actually admitted it straight away with some very bizarre excuses like '' I thought it was legal'' and '' I have many fetishes''. Atleast that's what I remember from that article linked on him a while back.

That being said, I have little reason not to believe the woman in this Evilore situation. I have no idea why she would lie about this. She seems genuine and when you compare her story to Evilore's, it becomes clear to me who is likely telling the truth. Evilore calling her mentally ill was an awful move.

Right but that's a newspaper account based on police statements. You don't believe everything a newspaper or a copy tells you do you?

This isn't really directed at you as your take is reasonable. Of course it makes sense to believe allegations even though they haven't been proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court. An assessment of whether someone is telling the truth should be based on all the circumstances surrounding the allegation, and in fact that's what we routinely do with all types of claims. Insisting that we can't believe someone unless their allegation has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court is ridiculous and seems to crop up only in certain types of instances.

 

[Forearms]

How about Amirox? He's only been accused, not convicted. Should he get his account back? Innocent until proven guilty after all.

Oh, come on... Amirox was arrested after authorities found a multitude of child porn in his possession. With Evilore, we have an accusation of wrong doing from a previous lover, and a lack-luster response to the situation on his part. The two could not be more different, yet you're painting them with the same brush.

 

[Dude Abides]

Oh, come on... Amirox was arrested after authorities found a multitude of child porn in his possession. With Evilore, we have an accusation of wrong doing from a previous lover, and a lack-luster response to the situation on his part. The two could not be more different, yet you're painting them with the same brush.

Wow anyone who's arrested must be guilty and the police never lie. SMH.

 

[Barren Mind]

I didn't see whatever all the hubbub is about. I logged off one day, and the next was met with a white page that stated, simply, "I'm fixing GAF." Odd, but who knows what happens with websites, it could have been a hack or anything. Then it was a down for maintenance message. Alright, things should be back to normal soon.

The site comes back up, and suddenly everyone hates Evilore and no one can say why. So I did some Googling as you do, and saw that all this is based on little more than a post on Facebook. A deleted post on Facebook at that.

I've seen nothing about charges being filed. Nothing about an arrest. No trial. No evidence. Just gossip.

It's been apparent for years that the orthodoxy on GAF takes a closed minded, almost belligerent approach to social ills, with a nasty streak of "guilty until proven innocent" rhetoric. (Unless you're Amir0x duping the community into giving you drug money, apparently that's cool with a lot of people on here.) Still, I never expected to see such upheaval over an unproven accusation. I've seen some of my favorite posters here say they will never post of GAF again because of this.

I can't quite say I'm sad to see the community here disintegrating, it is just an internet message board after all. But I do wish that a group that so constantly touts its self as reasonable, broadminded and forward thinking would take a step back and look at the situation from all sides. As it stands, I see an incredible set of knee jerk reactions leading to a community tearing its self apart.

And this isn't to say that I don't understand the reaction. The accusation, as unconvincing as a random Facebook post may be, is worrying, and the reaction to it reaching the community gives me pause. But why are so many here letting the first word be the last word? This story isn't finished, the definitive narrative hasn't been established. With the nature of this whole thing being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the parties involved tried to keep the next steps private, either.

Honestly this has to be one of the most disingenuous post I've seen on GAF.

 

[jimmypython]

It moved very fast. A random post, the mods all giving up and jumping ship en masse and suddenly we have ex-members joining with said mods to create a new oasis.

No need for a judge and jury, just a passable excuse to start something new.

could be the case.

 

[IISANDERII]

Whatever happened to INNOCENT until proven guilty? This whole debacle was a fucking unwarranted witch hunt!

If you don't hire a PR firm you must be guilty.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Hey, thanks for all that great evidence and those elucidating facts. You really made me think that maybe all this is warranted.

Yeah. Even the "evidence" presented online is concerning to me.... It's like let's find out more things we can put into this bag of hate. Let's find as many paragraphs someone has written to judge their entire character.

Think about it. I've said this on another thread, but If someone created a list of bad things I've done over the last 20 years - I'd look pretty bad too.

This whole incident really made me question how people think of others. I would hate to have these people as jurors.

 

[Forearms]

Wow anyone who's arrested must be guilty and the police never lie. SMH.

Way to be, man. You're obviously biased at this point, so it's not even worth discussing this with you.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I've never waited for a jury's opinion before deciding how I feel about someone.

 

[kaister]

that fact that they fucked after and a had a relationship, the whole incident seems suspect

I hate it when people bring this up. Dude...consent can't be retroactive. You can't simply give consent days later. If she wasn't cool with it at the time that it happened, she wasn't cool with it period. Why is it that difficult for people to understand.

 

[Dude Abides]

Way to be, man. You're obviously biased at this point, so it's not even worth discussing this with you.

I'm definitely biased against people being inconsistent when it suits their agenda.

 

[RDreamer]

Do you also wait for jury convictions to stop hanging around with someone if they're an asshole?

 

[PanicFreak]

How about Amirox? He's only been accused, not convicted. Should he get his account back? Innocent until proven guilty after all.

He's been convicted.

 

[Dude Abides]

He's been convicted.

Cite? When I google his real name I find reports of the arrest only.

In any event many people were willing to believe the allegations without knowing the judicial outcome despite their apparent insistence on waiting until there is a conviction in other instances.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Because girls never lie or do anything wrong according to some people.

Pathetic

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, even with his questionable past. But I don't feel bad about the effect it's had on his community. He fostered and profited off this community for years, which is fine, but he bit the hand that feeds. Where else but GAF would potentiallly misinterpreting signals from a friend and walking into a shower with her be labeled as fucking sexual assault and make you as bad as a rapist? Typical GAF reeeeeeeeeeeeeaction. The hammer should have been brought down on the type of community GAF was becoming long before it came to this, imho anyway.

I do hope GAF recovers and becomes a better place. I have an account at both places but don't see myself posting there much, unless I get banned here I guess lol.

There is a fucking Brett Michaels live ad at the bottom of this screen. What the hell.

 

[Symphonia]

He's been convicted.

I swear I read that somewhere, too.

 

[DarkKyo]

Typical GAF reeeeeeeeeeeeeaction.

You heard it here first folks, taking sexual assault allegations seriously makes you autistic. Yes, this new GAF is much better without all of that pathetic empathy stinking up Off-Topic.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You heard it here first folks, taking sexual assault allegations seriously makes you autistic. Yes, this new GAF is much better without all of that pathetic empathy stinking up Off-Topic.

My post doesn't say anything about autism, lol where the fuck did that come from? The meme originated elsewhere.

Also I don't necessarily consider it sexual assault if it was just a misunderstanding between two adults. There was no touching or abuse AFAIK. Again, assuming it was just a misunderstanding on his part, or even happened at all.

 

[David___]

Because girls never lie or do anything wrong according to some people.

And men who are innocent totally go out of their way to discredit their accusor(s) by going to the press and saying they have a mental illness

 

[numble]

He's been convicted.

Cite? When I google his real name I find reports of the arrest only.

In any event many people were willing to believe the allegations without knowing the judicial outcome despite their apparent insistence on waiting until there is a conviction in other instances.

I swear I read that somewhere, too.

He hasn't been convicted. It’s still possible to post bail for him.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Cite? When I google his real name I find reports of the arrest only.

In any event many people were willing to believe the allegations without knowing the judicial outcome despite their apparent insistence on waiting until there is a conviction in other instances.

I think he took a plea bargain and is awaiting sentencing?

 

[Zen Aku]

Thank you 100% agree with you. People overreacting over accusations and not letting both sides speak. People talking about how he took time to reply but how do you reply when you know you're gonna be judged by everyone regardless of what you say. I don't get it what do people want him to do? If I was him I'd reach out to the accuser and try to settle it between themselves. Also if she states she didn't out him on purpose then why post about it at all. Why not say we both fked up and were drunk. I don't get her angle, if she wants to ruin him why not just go all out. I'm sure they both want to have this blow over but if anyone backs down now they're gonna be considered the guilty one or the weak one. Just my opinion.

The information you know about all of this is hilariously wrong or missing in most some parts.

 

[Zen Aku]

Because it's easy to portray yourself as "perfect" online when you're guarded by anonymity.

I'd bet my life on it that some people posting have some skeletons in their closet they'd hate people to find out. The difference is no one gives a shit about them, I mean because they're not well known.

When you're in the public eye more people pay attention to you.

Ultimately no one on here knows what happened, they're purely basing his guilt on his past, I personally believe that past offences aren't necessarily a guarantee of future offences.

Besides there are 3 sides to this story, Evilore's, the accuser, and the truth.

The only thing that astounds me is why someone who was sexually harassed and left traumatised would VOLUNTARILY put herself near that person AFTER the event, let alone have sex and date them.

Ok she forgave him, couldn't have been that traumatised then. Also the accusers own statement explicitly stated that when she said no he walked out of the shower. He didn't persist, or try touching her. It would have been a completely scenario had he refused and then got forceful in my opinion.

It just sounds like a bitter breakup and she's got her own back to me.....

And no I'm not condoning sexual harrassment, or saying it's acceptable to walk into a shower naked without someone's consent. But given the circumstances, I don't think he randomly walked into the shower naked. She was in an open relationship and spending the night in a hotel with another man, I bet it wasn't separate beds in that hotel room either....

The hoops this post go through to defend Evilore

 

[TestMonkey]

How about Amirox? He's only been accused, not convicted. Should he get his account back? Innocent until proven guilty after all.

Here are his current court documents. Court docket and court summary.

I'm not certain what Call/Guilty Plea/ARD is but I think it means he will be accepting a plea deal.

 

[numble]

Here are his current court documents. Court docket and court summary.

I'm not certain what Call/Guilty Plea/ARD is but I think it means he will be accepting a plea deal.

It means they will see if he will seek trial, put in status conference, make a guilty plea, or agree to Accelerated Rehabilitative Disposition (if available). He has not been convicted and you can still post bail for him.

Explanation: http://www.monroecountypa.gov/Dept/PD/Pages/CalloftheListGuiltyPleaARD.aspx

 

[Dude Abides]

Here are his current court documents. Court docket and court summary.

I'm not certain what Call/Guilty Plea/ARD is but I think it means he will be accepting a plea deal.

Thanks! It means they court will call the list of cases on the docket that day for a status conference, consider a guilty plea, or consider an accelerative rehabilitative disposition.

The first or third would not involve an admission of guilt. He may well have accepted a guilty plea but it's not clear (unless you take the word of some chud on voat).

Point being that it's dumb to insist that you won't believe someone has done something wrong until they've been convicted of a crime.

 

[Night.Ninja]

I hate it when people bring this up. Dude...consent can't be retroactive. You can't simply give consent days later. If she wasn't cool with it at the time that it happened, she wasn't cool with it period. Why is it that difficult for people to understand.

In that same post she outed him she should have also said after that incident they entered a relationship and had consensual sex.

 

[norinrad]

Evil is not being judged, he just handled things poorly. Most of the rage and the imploding was just lurking in the shadows. For many years, the mods gave people the feeling they were walking on eggshells, have a different opinion or view and you got a nice little message waiting for you. I think they had a template for "When will you ban be lifted? Never" that. Once they bailed on Evil all those years of anger came out with people having old scores to settle.

So now we have a community destroyed or not knowing where to go from here, for now at least.

It's kind of Iraq except over there they were actually killing each other when the leader was let to dry by his generals. lol

 

[Brandon F]

I hate it when people bring this up. Dude...consent can't be retroactive. You can't simply give consent days later. If she wasn't cool with it at the time that it happened, she wasn't cool with it period. Why is it that difficult for people to understand.

Easy to cast doubt given that he did oblige and respected her wishes to "get the fuck out"(no argument being made for any rebuffing the advance, or threatening/blackmailing with physical or financial or career harm during or following the encounter). Then factor in the mutually fueled future relations between the two, and well it certainly taints the story.

Not that the other side doesn't have equal share of objections raised in the handling of the situation and prior accusations, but its become very murky to classify the harm inflicted by this particular single encounter as damaging given the information provided.

 

[kaister]

In that same post she outed him she should have also said after that incident they entered a relationship and had consensual sex.

What? "Should"? What does that even mean? Me too campaign never specified exactly how much you need to share.


Here one question I have to ask you guys. Are you guys not aware that sexual assault can happen between boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife?

Are you guys going to dismiss every sexual assault in every relationship where there are consensual sexual activity? Like WTF? If a husband abuse his wife and the wife remains and still have consensual sex afterward, does it allow you to lessen or dismissed what had occurred?

I doesn't matter if they've entered a relationship afterward that incident. Hell, even if they're in a relationship DURING the incident...if it's something sexual by nature where she doesn't want to, doesn't consent to...he does not have the right.

 

[Extra Sauce]

I don't need due process to judge the character of someone who posted revenge porn online, bragged about grabbing a stranger's ass without consent, continually censored discussion about these actions and enacted countless petty, vindictive bans over the years.

Reacting to new allegations of sexual harassment by calling the accuser mentally unstable is just the cherry on top, really.

 

[VeeP]

Because girls never lie or do anything wrong according to some people.

I don't think it was just this. I think it was a bunch of small things added up.

The modding on GAF, according to a lot of people, got way to strict. It's Evilore's job to oversee that. There was also his previous incidents (multiple incidents), which I won't post, but then he banned people for bringing it up. And then there's this. There's the fact that his explanation was super late, it was poor, his explanation to the mods was poor hence multiple mods leaving. They were also saying mods left "because of privacy concerns" - which as far as I know is untrue.

So yea. People can continue to say "BOTH SIDES," or people left to "TAKE ADVANTAGE" but it's pretty obvious there was history leading up to this. It isn't just because they believe one woman's facebook post.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I don't believe the real issue is the allegations. To be honest while it doesn't look good for anyone and I doubt the woman involved just made this up for a laugh, it is ultimately their business.

The real issue is the way it was dealt with on site. Mass post deletions, thread locks, site shutdown, no communication, spoke with journalists before even a twitter post etc. It showed people that the community was at the mercy of one individuals humours, and that threatened thousands of relationships, in a hundred different groups. People were lost without it, but realised they had no control at all over its existence. This is what spawned a new forum and made people 'convict him' as you put it, not the allegations themselves.

 

[UnblessedSoul]

Nah they just used that to kick start the move elsewhere because they didn't like how the site was moderated as there was no way to give feedback.

 

[Vicetrailia]

gaming is what it is, but OT is garbage without politics. Such a big hole has been created that it feels useless. Politics must exist.

 

[kaister]

I don't think it was just this. I think it was a bunch of small things added up.

The modding on GAF, according to a lot of people, got way to strict. It's Evilore's job to oversee that. There was also his previous incidents (multiple incidents), which I won't post, but then he banned people for bringing it up. And then there's this. There's the fact that his explanation was super late, it was poor, his explanation to the mods was poor hence multiple mods leaving. They were also saying mods left "because of privacy concerns" - which as far as I know is untrue.

So yea. People can continue to say "BOTH SIDES," or people left to "TAKE ADVANTAGE" but it's pretty obvious there was history leading up to this. It isn't just because they believe one woman's facebook post.

I agree.

I don't believe the real issue is the allegations. To be honest while it doesn't look good for anyone and I doubt the woman involved just made this up for a laugh, it is ultimately their business.

The real issue is the way it was dealt with on site. Mass post deletions, thread locks, site shutdown, no communication, spoke with journalists before even a twitter post etc. It showed people that the community was at the mercy of one individuals humours, and that threatened thousands of relationships, in a hundred different groups. People were lost without it, but realised they had no control at all over its existence. This is what spawned a new forum and made people 'convict him' as you put it, not the allegations themselves.

Yea, like what some of the guys had been saying. Even if we put aside the sexual allegation, it's hard to put aside action and response taken after the allegation came forth. I'm sure there are people more pissed about how poorly handled the entire ordeal was than the sexual allegation itself.

 

[Vilix]

nvm

 

[Froli]

I think more people might have been more upset with his response to everything going on than the allegations

This.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Wow anyone who's arrested must be guilty and the police never lie. SMH.

Are you suggesting the police planted cp on his hard drive? Are you actually defending amir0x?

 

[hom3land]

I think more people might have been more upset with his response to everything going on than the allegations

This

Do you also wait for jury convictions to stop hanging around with someone if they're an asshole?

And this. See you all on the other side.

 

[mr2xxx]

Are you suggesting the police planted cp on his hard drive? Are you actually defending amir0x?

Clearly, most likely Amirox accomplice or....

Point being that it's dumb to insist that you won't believe someone has done something wrong until they've been convicted of a crime.

 

[TarNaru33]

Are you suggesting the police planted cp on his hard drive? Are you actually defending amir0x?

His comparison lies on the extreme, but his point is that people already decided that amirox was guilty before he was convicted while holding leeway for Evilore. The issue with this comparison is that Amirox supposedly told the police "he didn't know it was illegal" which allows for the assumption that he is in fact guilty. That and the police saying they caught him with it in his possession. It is important to note that police do and have planted illegal items on people they wanted to have arrested. Usually its drugs or a weapon... I am not sure if they would go as far as child porn.

It really is stupid to hold judgment for some despite their history until a conviction while not doing it for others who as far as we know did not have that history. A person's history matter significantly. You don't have to go out the way to tell everyone they are guilty, but you may want to steer clear of the person and that is what many did.

At any rate, even if Evilore did leave the shower when she told him to, the deed was already done. He done so without permission and knowing she was "sick"/drunk. The history have with one another before or afterwards is irrelevant. You think a crime isn't a crime simply because the victim seemed to have forgiven you later on?

I don't believe the real issue is the allegations. To be honest while it doesn't look good for anyone and I doubt the woman involved just made this up for a laugh, it is ultimately their business.

The real issue is the way it was dealt with on site. Mass post deletions, thread locks, site shutdown, no communication, spoke with journalists before even a twitter post etc. It showed people that the community was at the mercy of one individuals humours, and that threatened thousands of relationships, in a hundred different groups. People were lost without it, but realised they had no control at all over its existence. This is what spawned a new forum and made people 'convict him' as you put it, not the allegations themselves.

Quoting this again for people that keeps thinking those that left are being extreme. It wasn't this one accusation that caused them to leave.

 

[Battlechili]

He deleted threads asking about it, banned people asking about it, and wound up shutting down the site for over 24 hours only to make a post that effectively said "I didn't do it". Why does it take this long to say that? Why ban users and delete threads asking about it when you're innocent? It comes off as an admission of guilt.

I'm not saying Evilore did it. I agree that guilty until proven innocent is a horrible philosophy, but it does look bad on his part, does it not? I don't have the intention of leaving this site anytime soon, but surely you can see why people would think he did it.

 

[7echnicolor]

(she's bi)

 

[Royce McCutcheon]

"He insulted a brony" The absolute horror

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm not entirely sure how the world works.

You don't need a jury to pass judgment on a situation or person. (And as we know from multiple cases, the law can fail, so it's a silly comment to make in the first place.

 

[tr4nce 26]

EviLore has absolutely zero remorse, or humility in accepting any kind of responsibility for his actions, and that is why I choose to no longer be apart of this community,

Your pride is going to be what brings your destruction. You act like you are completely blameless in this entire situation. It would be one thing for you to admit your mistakes and ask for forgiveness from the community. However, you choose to double down and take the road of denial and arrogance.

Ill be praying for you.

Ive been on GAF for ten years, and was banned multiple times for having a different opinion than the mainstream. I will NOT miss this place. Good day sir.

BAN ME PLEASE.

 

[Dunlop]

I don't believe the real issue is the allegations. To be honest while it doesn't look good for anyone and I doubt the woman involved just made this up for a laugh, it is ultimately their business.

The real issue is the way it was dealt with on site. Mass post deletions, thread locks, site shutdown, no communication, spoke with journalists before even a twitter post etc. It showed people that the community was at the mercy of one individuals humours, and that threatened thousands of relationships, in a hundred different groups. People were lost without it, but realised they had no control at all over its existence. This is what spawned a new forum and made people 'convict him' as you put it, not the allegations themselves.

This is very well put. Great post

 

[RiZ III]

Well said OP.