PabloBolivar
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The mods here now do a very good job. There's just not enough.
Why is the community convicting Evilore? I see no jurors here.
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HardcoreGamer4Ever
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I just don't get offended by words. You should try it some time.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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A man upset over the alleged actions of somebody treating another as less than equal insults and berates those who disagree with him, viewing them as inferior 'retards' and 'fags' and tells us to not get upset over 'words'.
How did you find out about the controversy? I'm going to assume words on facebook.
The new forum must be accepting of everyone.
How did you find out about the controversy? I'm going to assume words on facebook.
The new forum must be accepting of everyone.
JordanN
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It's really why I feel the exodus now in question becomes a hypocritical venture.
The outrage amounted to people leaving GAF.... just to create another GAF.
Like I mentioned on the last page, I think if more people stuck around and slowly pressed for changes peacefully, it's possible Evilore would have listened and amends could have been made despite the initial resistance.
And while politics is still banned, this whole controversy was an eyeopener as to why we need to watch both sides of the aisle carefully.
It's not just the "right/center" who are stereotyped as leading based on emotions, irrationality and pettiness. When pushed far enough, we see our very own "progressive" members wishing for nothing more than the complete destruction of society if they ever felt slighted in some way.
Prophet Steve
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I don't really see how it is hypocritical when it is people not leaving GAF because it is GAF but because they disagree with the ownership.
I think its pretty crazy an entire community collapsed purely on allegations. The fact that they had actual consensual sex makes it even weirder.
It might be wrong and creepy for him to jump naked into the shower with a drunk girl even predatory but eh its not the worst of crimes. Same with the ass grabbing, i've had it happen to me and that were girls grabbing my ass. Its not like he is a convicted offender like that "other" guy.
That said i dont want to condone him in any way because i never liked his smug arrogant and apparantly hypocritical ass.
Just seems like such a waste over something that could have been salvaged over better communication.
It might be wrong and creepy for him to jump naked into the shower with a drunk girl even predatory but eh its not the worst of crimes. Same with the ass grabbing, i've had it happen to me and that were girls grabbing my ass. Its not like he is a convicted offender like that "other" guy.
That said i dont want to condone him in any way because i never liked his smug arrogant and apparantly hypocritical ass.
Just seems like such a waste over something that could have been salvaged over better communication.
I literally linked reasons like 3 posts above.. And the are others.
7echnicolor
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i mean, if you don't have an adblocker on, you are.
See, I was thinking about something today...
The folks that left, that extreme? Kept this extreme that showed it's head in this thread in check.
Not talking about the mods, but the "mob".
For the sake of GAF, don't let that type of opinion feel like it has a home here.
PabloBolivar
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I hear you, but it's not my place to police threads. I'll most likely be banned if I do. It's probably best to just ignore the attention seekers I suppose
kitchenmotors
Banned
Ive been apart of this community since the very beginning when it was just GAF, in 98. I can assure you more than a few have moved on. Long time posters, people in their 30s, 40s and even 50s. This isnt an Instagram generation thing, as some have suggested.
The sooner some of you accept that this move was because actions and history of one man, rather than some absurd conviction, then maybe you can come and join in the community where it has continued without this weird bias. Ive seen EL do the revenge porn, I was around for that. Ive seen the posts on the sexual assault in Spain, the transphobia drama, the blatant fat shaming, the Amirox statement coverup. Its not surprising that this accusation was the straw that broke the camels back.
Era isnt a loud vocal minority, it is the community majority. Accept it.
You actually expressed my exact feelings.
I still can't understand what the fuck happened...
Night.Ninja
Banned
The typical GAF over react happened, people want to feel internet important huddling together like penguins in the cold
Yea you're right. That would be crazy if it's solely on the allegations. But I don't think that's true. I think a good chuck fled because of his response and what he decided to do to the forum after the allegation.
Yea I don't like the generalization either. But those are the action of a few, so it doesn't bother me. My advice is don't let words of a few individuals bother you either.
Its a mixture of both, in my opinion. Tylers history, these unproven allegations, and his quite-frankly piss poor excuse for an apology was, for a lot of people, the final nail in the coffin. I, personally, couldnt really care less. He fucked up, like people do, and tried to apologise for it. He failed, of course, but humans fail all the time. As Ive stated many times, Im here for the discussion and to support the community, not to show my support for EviLore.
jufonuk
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I think this too and the fact, apart from a few statments here and there and some random comments yesterday he isnt saying much.
Putting it better than I ever could
From what I understand, the forum started to fill with garbage posting because of the allegations and the slow response from Evilore. Then came his statement, which was lack luster at best, and that angered people even more.
I honestly don't know what I would have done to try and quell the uprising and shit-posting once things got that out of control.
I actually wasn't planning on posting too much after this hubbub, but the first thing to note is that Evilore handled the situation the worst way possible. At a base level, we have a person who already has a history of inserting himself into some very bad situations (the revenge porn for a PSP thing, the grab ass story, and the very shady response to the Amirox situation). There was definitely a way that he could have made a sincere statement to avoid the extent of this kind of blow back if he didn't want to outright resign. And this is completely separate on whether the story is true or not.
But not only did the statement come horribly late, the official statement was already terrible (can pretty much put a full checklist; doesn't deny that the incident happened as described, but calls her a crazy ex, had consensual sex later so it's okay, etc). And boy, if I got that rough draft of the statement that some former mods leaked elsewhere on Saturday, I also would have been completely livid due to how completely out of whack and touch EL was). That rough draft was full on absurd.
But the other thing to note is that EL has been fostering a community for years to make the very same response that it did. You had some people hesitate because #meToo hit closer to home than what some really liked, but overall... yeah, the reaction should not have been a shock to EL; it was just different in this instance because he was on the wrong end of the gun.
I don't wish for the overall demise of a community like this, but this was inevitable.
But not only did the statement come horribly late, the official statement was already terrible (can pretty much put a full checklist; doesn't deny that the incident happened as described, but calls her a crazy ex, had consensual sex later so it's okay, etc). And boy, if I got that rough draft of the statement that some former mods leaked elsewhere on Saturday, I also would have been completely livid due to how completely out of whack and touch EL was). That rough draft was full on absurd.
But the other thing to note is that EL has been fostering a community for years to make the very same response that it did. You had some people hesitate because #meToo hit closer to home than what some really liked, but overall... yeah, the reaction should not have been a shock to EL; it was just different in this instance because he was on the wrong end of the gun.
I don't wish for the overall demise of a community like this, but this was inevitable.
Vicetrailia
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Evilore punished the community whilst turning his back on the left side of the community. Trying to control the narrative with brute force lead to all bad consequences. He should have focused on getting head of it with a better statement.
He had a few days before it all went to shit. I saw someone make a thread on it a few days before it all went down (2 days I think?). Modbot locked it.
Mods questioned him on the whole thing, he gave a pretty poor response leading to them all slowly leaving. As they left, this forum got more out of control. Evilore never tried to address the concerns of users, never made a thread or statement, and instead he replied to journalist before saying anything to us. This made a lot of posters upset.
As all this happened, some users also learned of Evilores previous history, and some users were made aware of the poor modding that was allowed to take place on this site (banning people because mods didnt like them).
Edit: best thing possible was to address it head on, somewhat. Make a thread for it, or lock the thread and sticky it. Say you will address the communities concerns, but must first talk to lawyers, etc. Apolgize for previous history if he felt like it was needed. Then talk to his lawyers, mods, the woman, and make a statement to GAF. I felt like that wouldve been the best way.
I congregated mostly in a few OT communities, not even posting some days just lurking to see what all was happening, with the people I care about. At the end of the day, the community is the people not the place.
KawabataSan
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Evilore isn't going to make you a mod dude
PabloBolivar
Banned
Why so cynical?
PabloBolivar
Banned
It's sunday morning
HiredN00bs
Banned
You can't separate the two. Being a contributor on this site and, in general, even viewing it, is literally supporting him.
PabloBolivar
Banned
NOPE.
If I had that attitude, I could never buy anything ever again. Have you ever bought anything from Amazon?
All they did was change the name.
can you read? Lore gets money from each visit he gets on this site. supporting the community here IS supporting EviLore.
yup. its terrible.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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Unless you use adblock but ho hum...
HiredN00bs
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This site earns ad revenue but does so by the existence of its community which includes you and the content they create. It's a much more direct form of support and it is direct to one person.
You obviously do care, why else would you respond so harshly to a plain statement that using this site directly supports its owner?
PabloBolivar
Banned
So? I don't care. People make mistakes. Move on....
I can separate them, and I have.
The community is arguably thriving now since active members and even old lurkers are treating it like a fresh start. A community isnt a url on the search bar.
People did. In droves.
HiredN00bs
Banned
How?
PabloBolivar
Banned
If I were to take the time to only use products from perfect people, I would die.
Does Evilore use slave-like labor like Amazon does?
PJV3
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Looking at the place it doesn't look sustainable as it was before, I find the place interesting, it's not making much difference from the complete disaster he's just been through.
Thats not true at all, because if you had like even an ounce of brainpower to use on critical thinking, youd realize that situations like these are not all or nothing. Ethical consumption is a myth, so most ethical people (Who are aware) will try to limit their unethical consumption of of unethical things.
Someone gave the example of food a few pages back, which is hysterical because try living without food versus living without gaf. Not really equatable at all.
Its nice to at least see you admit that you dont care. Right on.
Thats called cognitive dissonance. Hopes this helps.
Edit: vvvv well that seems fair
Due to technical issues, Im unable to add any site to my adblocker whitelist. NeoGAF and adblockers. You do the math.
HiredN00bs
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But by posting, you are contributing to the site's means to sell ads. You are making the site's content.
People are beating a dead horse.
Those who moved on already have, and those staying, you can't change their mind...like, you already left and you can't be convinced to stay here either...so what's the point of arguing? To prove that you are right?
I suspect some of you are only here talking about it because the other side doesn't permit discussing this place and what happened.
Those who moved on already have, and those staying, you can't change their mind...like, you already left and you can't be convinced to stay here either...so what's the point of arguing? To prove that you are right?
I suspect some of you are only here talking about it because the other side doesn't permit discussing this place and what happened.
This is stupid. What the does this have to do with the situation at hand?
Failing a purity test isn't the reason why tens of thousands of the most active members left and if you think some meek whataboutism/ false equivalence is all it takes to refute the reasons why people left when they did then you don't understand the [former] gaf community at all.
Pretending to represent a community while barely being a part of it and trying to force the community to change once open discussion became inconvenient for him is the real reason why people left. The reason why the statement/ interview(s?) failed was because he put himself and his interests above the rest of the community. We [were] gaf. Not him. Part of his damage control was throwing the community under the bus, publicly calling us out and disabling the entire OT section, currently archiving years worth of (often hilarious or informative) content, because he now wants to force the community into a more convenient mold... despite the fact that it was never about him or his ideals.
What he should have done was damage control without dragging gaf down with him. Instead he implied that the community blew it out of proportion and instead of a round table discussion with community leaders in order to find out how to best represent the community interests going forward he cut access to the site, bringing it back with half of the community sections disabled.
The moment we because a nuisance to him and he tried to force message is the moment people decided to leave. Not these allegations. He survived worse allegations in the past and people have been spreading unsubstantiated rumors about him for years. This could have been no different. What was different this time though was forcing the website to reflect his personal life and treating us like nothing more than a paycheck that needed to fall in line or else. That was the breaking point. On top of already strict policies he put the blame on us and decided to put another yoke around our necks as a deflection to his problems.
As for the whataboutism - I agree. As an oppressed minority if I decided to apply the purity test to all around me I would starve to death. That's why I don't. That's why I'm still here. I've kept a stiff upper lip and participated in vulgar institutions all my life. This is just a message board. It takes more than this to get rid of me.
Unless I get banned now.
Half right.
The community shouldn't have been rocked by the actions of one member. The community wants to conduct itself as usual without reflecting on something that has nothing to do with them.
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