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[Hellwarden]

I dislike both her handling of foreign affairs and her personality.
But she's better than the Republican frontrunners.

I feel like a lot of people, not all of course, but a lot of people voted for Obama because they were excited for him.

People are going to vote for Hilary because comparatively, she's not as shit as her opponents.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Because I think 90% of democrats would rather have 4 more years of Obama than Hildog

 

[Diprosalic]

she's like a fail safe for dem voters.
you rarely are excited when you have to use the fail safe.

 

[The Albatross]

Same old establishment, corporate Democrat. It'll change when she wins the nomination and is going up against any Republican. People who have been tepid to her for the last year will become die hards again.

Because I think 90% of democrats would rather have 4 more years of Obama than Hildog

I don't think this is true at all. 90% of Gaf-democrats would rather 4 more years of Obama, but when it comes to the mid-term elections in 2018, most Democrats will be very happy to see him go.

 

[snacknuts]

 

[njr]

She's an establishment candidate, constantly flip flops on stances, and seems like someone least likely to address the campaign finance problem. I was soured on her the moment she said "cut it out Wall Street".

 

[ChosenPredator]

She comes across as extremely fake to me. Like she doesn't even believe her own words. She jumps on whatever is opportunistic, not what she actually believes in, just what will get her elected. I like her only slightly more than Trump.

yeah, something about her doesn't click with me I don't really trust her not alot of choice to pick from though, I'd prefer bernie though seems more real and less robotic and mechanical when he speaks.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Cause Bernie is better on most every issue imo. She's fine other than that.

 

[Fatalah]

Billary baby!

 

[JustenP88]

The other guy is left of her.

Also, the Democratic party has moved quite a bit to the right (response to Reagan, third way and all that). A lot of progressives are tired of not having a voice. Tired of democratic candidates "eventually getting there" on social and economic issues. Hillary is "progressive" by the standards of America's current political discourse. A lot of people aren't willing to accept America as this unique bird for whom normal political spectrums and whatnot don't apply.

 

[jmdajr]

They better get excited once Trump runs against her.

We're all in denial..but it's happening.

 

[Zona]

The other guy is left of her.

And? I may agree slightly more with Sanders on some issues, while having huge hang-ups about his position on gun rights and economic protectionism. I think Clinton's the better candidate overall. I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

She's an establishment candidate, constantly flip flops on stances, and seems like someone least likely to address the campaign finance problem. I was soured on her the moment she said "cut it out Wall Street".

For me it was the unrelated 9/11 answer she gave when someone questioned her about Wall Street.

 

[Kickz]

Never been a Hillary fan. Her ideas are more centrist but the other side hates hates HATES her, so it won't go very far towards bipartisanship.

Bernie's ideas align more closely with mine on many issues (health care, taxes, cannabis) and it's hard to even know what Hillary's position is (now). Bernie has consistently fought for the same things, and he seems like a genuine guy.

Agreed, Bernie should route her in Iowa/NH

 

[foxtrot3d]

It's hard to have enthusiasm for what has been pushed as an inevitability for over 12 years.

She's an unabashed establishment candidate whose policies are as banal as her charisma.

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

What he said. Y'all can puff Bernie up all you want but my vote is still going to Hilary.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

These are some of the reasons I won't vote for her, but there are probably more. Before doing my research and educating myself, I was sure I was going to vote for her.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=188584055&highlight=#post188584055

 

[Bisnic]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

I'm not american, but when your choice is between Hillary or Trump, I think it's quite obvious who's the better choice.

 

[FartOfWar]

Shes "healthy" only in comparison to whatever toxic waste the GOP serves.

 

[superdeluxe]

I assumed this deserved a new thread vs trying to get responses in the RNC or Bernie threads. Hopefully should spark some good discussion.

I've been reading a lot of political threads here recently. One of the big things I've noticed is a lot of dislike for Hillary Clinton. As this place tends to skew heavily Democrat, I'm curious why the dislike for Hilary? It's a little surprising me. As somebody who is completely disgusted with the Republican Party and is open to possibly switching sides in the general election, I'm curious why there is little enthusiasm from liberals on here.

Because there is no 'newness' to her, we all know what Hillary stands for, good or bad.

 

[stupei]

The funny thing about this idea that Hillary doesn't understand kids today and can't relate to them properly is I really doubt she understood young people when she was one herself. Again: she's just super awkward, and a lot of people don't like that in a Presidential candidate. (Admittedly, it worries me when it comes to interacting with world leaders, but she's had a lot of experience there, at least.)

The other guy is left of her.

So far to the left that he can't see back across the aisle to realize how absurd it is to think he'll get a Republican controlled Congress to raise taxes enough to afford even half of what he's proposing.

 

[andythinkpad]

For me it was the unrelated 9/11 answer she gave when someone questioned her about Wall Street.

For me it was when she put on a Yankees hat to run for NY senator. I don't think she has a vision, and she is willing to deal anything for power.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Agreed, Bernie should route her in Iowa/NH

The problem is that even assuming he wins non-winner take all races in Iowa and NH, those aren't very likely to erase massive deficits everywhere else where the vote counts for a lot more.

 

[foxtrot3d]

I dislike both her handling of foreign affairs...

Why? Hilary's foreign affairs chomps is like one of her biggest assets, even former Sec. of Defense Robert Gates, a Republican, had nothing but praise for her foreign policy experience and service.

 

[NIGHT-]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Fuck no. She's just as bad as the GOP candidates

 

[ivysaur12]

Fuck no. She's just as bad as the GOP candidates

In what way?

She's not saying we should build a wall around our border. She's not saying that women who are raped should have to carry the baby to term. She's not arguing for a flat tax.

 

[dramatis]

Also, for all the shit hilgaf likes to kick around about Bernie's supporters being ignorant young white boys (I'd link to the article about millennial women supporting Sanders in larger numbers but hilgaf would rather young people stay out of the process), I think a lot of people remember 2008.

People always talk about how "battle tested" and experienced she is. She was tested in 2008. As soon as shit got hot, she floundered miserably. Her tenure as SoS is nothing to be proud of. She, and her supporters, have an annoying persecution complex. Way too much entitlement.

Congrats on staving off the lunatic Republicans on the benghazi thing... She regularly fails tests that matter. Now that polls are showing a tighter race than we anticipated, she's floundering again. It's really a shame that so few Democrats bothered to challenge her. She's a genuinely weak, uninspiring candidate. There's no virtue in being unlikable, regardless of how her supporters try to spin it (she's like vegetables!).

Persecution complex? You don't say?

I see far more "Sanders supporters say this" than I actually see Sanders supporters saying anything. At least around here.

The "Bernie or Bust" group is an extremely small one. Quit trying to manufacture excuses for a potential Clinton loss.

After listening to Hillary supporters, I've come to realize that the Iraq War was all a conspiracy to tarnish her record.

Christmas comes early for the Hillbots. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Oh well...

Not sure I understand the decrying of conspiracy theorizing from Hillary supporters. According to them, practically everything that's happened in politics over the last couple decades has been a conspiracy to attack her character.

#correcttherecord

[trying to downplay Bernie supporters' conspiracy theories]
I'm not seeing much of that outside of Benji's posts and Benji's posts aren't real.

You don't even need Sanders supporters in a thread to start the "Lol #feelthebern" circlejerk. Fascinating.

Funny thing about failure for Hillary Clinton, she's demonstrated that she gets right back up and keeps fighting. Whereas Bernie never had the kind of experience the most vilified woman in the US has. What tests has he passed that actually mattered?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Fuck no. She's just as bad as the GOP candidates

In what way?

Edit:

In what way?

Jinx.

 

[JustenP88]

So far to the left that he can't see back across the aisle to realize how absurd it is to think he'll get a Republican controlled Congress to raise taxes enough to afford even half of what he's proposing.

Jesus Christ on a cracker... He doesn't think that. He knows people need to get out and vote to change the makeup of the House and Senate. He's said as much repeatedly, but detractors love to deflect with their "magic wand" nonsense. He's spent a long time around these people. As sure of yourself as you may be, you're not more clued-in to the goings-on in Washington than Bernie Sanders is.

 

[Hilbert]

Fuck no. She's just as bad as the GOP candidates

If you don't follow anything about politics, why are you commenting on it? This statement is ludicrous.

 

[ivysaur12]

In what way?

Edit:



Jinx.

pls get me a coke thnx

 

[Toparaman]

I remember Hot Coffee.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Persecution complex? You don't say?

Funny thing about failure for Hillary Clinton, she's demonstrated that she gets right back up and keeps fighting. Whereas Bernie never had the kind of experience the most vilified woman in the US has. What tests has he passed that actually mattered?

Yikes, I think you snatched his soul away.

Detective GAF is best GAF.

 

[Indicate]

She tries too hard to be cool and isn't authentic.

 

[JustenP88]

Persecution complex? You don't say?







Funny thing about failure for Hillary Clinton, she's demonstrated that she gets right back up and keeps fighting. Whereas Bernie never had the kind of experience the most vilified woman in the US has. What tests has he passed that actually mattered?

Ooooooo. Digging through post history. I've obviously struck a nerve. Bernie Sanders has delivered a consistent message to a group of people who couldn't give less of a shit for a long, long time. He's still around. He's still on message. Hillary has become a very successful, wealthy person while being the "most vilified woman in the US". Feel free to stop feeling sorry for her at any time. There are far more worthy causes to direct your sympathy towards.

Plus, a majority of my posts that you reference were mocking the persecution complex I was talking about so... Congrats on calling me out for consistency, I suppose.

you forgot this one:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171523354&postcount=145

If you guys want to continue to point out instances of me being annoyed at hilgaf, I'm sure there's a lot of ammo you're leaving on the table.

 

[gutter_trash]

Agreed, Bernie should route her in Iowa/NH

two of the whitest states in the Union

 

[phanphare]

because she'd just be more of the same for our country and that isn't particularly enticing at this point in time. sure, she's a better option than the fucking nut bags on the other side but that in and of itself isn't enough to spark enthusiasm.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Persecution complex? You don't say?







Funny thing about failure for Hillary Clinton, she's demonstrated that she gets right back up and keeps fighting. Whereas Bernie never had the kind of experience the most vilified woman in the US has. What tests has he passed that actually mattered?

you forgot this one:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171523354&postcount=145

Nowhere near as concerning as the pro-establishment cheerleading going on. We can't have a discussion about a fringe candidate without people rushing in trying to shame it.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

OP, you can probably tell from the responses by now, but obviously, Hillary needs to be someone that these people (who say they don't like her) can have a beer with for them to be enthused about her.

I mean, look at this guy, who seems to place a premium on how cool his choice candidate has to be:


And he's easily sucked in by populist rhetoric. People gravitate towards someone who promises them the moon, which Hillary doesn't do (and they call her a liar anyway).

Imagine these people having to vote for people who are to the right of Hillary Clinton when it comes to midterms! We're totally not recovering the house in 2018

Considering I'm in this install base that Hillary continues to exploit via appearances on Jimmy Fallon and Ellen, I don't think I'm the only person feeling that my candidate of choice shouldn't make a mockery of the process by trying to be funny and give off this faux persona. But nice try.

 

[AndyD]

It's hard to have enthusiasm for what has been pushed as an inevitability for over 12 years.

She's an unabashed establishment candidate whose policies are as banal as her charisma.

That said, she's probably the best candidate.

GAF never fails to nail it with first posts. It pretty much sums it up. People are not excited because she is not exciting. She is not spouting vitriol and one liners, not catering to the lowest denominator and thus she is not in people's minds.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

And? I may agree slightly more with Sanders on some issues, while having huge hang-ups about his position on gun rights and economic protectionism. I think Clinton's the better candidate overall. I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Some people can't do that though. If someone is right of the issues they have huge hang ups on, they might think that candidate is republican lite. I would say most people don't even know the issues beyond the big ones for them. If that's all they care about, I find it easy to see how they come to the conclusion she isn't "left" enough for them.

I think her connection to Wall Street in compared to Bernie is an easy target for him. I think a large % of people in America consider being associated with corporations and banks to be a Republican thing when everyone pretty much in politics takes money from them.

 

[Hellwarden]

Why? Hilary's foreign affairs chomps is like one of her biggest assets, even former Sec. of Defense Robert Gates, a Republican, had nothing but praise for her foreign policy experience and service.

Because she's a fucking war hawk, and believes in continuing military interventions in the middle east.

That alone is enough to make me intensely dislike her.

 

[Ovid]

Would you guys be really happy with Hillary as your president

Yes, she's more qualified than any of the current Presidential candidates (on both sides). She's smart, even tempered and knows how to handle domestic and international politics.

Also, she not a war hawk like those fools on the GOP side.

 

[stupei]

Jesus Christ on a cracker... He doesn't think that. He knows people need to get out and vote to change the makeup of the House and Senate. He's said as much repeatedly, but detractors love to deflect with their "magic wand" nonsense. He's spent a long time around these people. As sure of yourself as you may be, you're not more clued-in to the goings-on in Washington than Bernie Sanders is.

I mean, I didn't remotely say half the things you are suggesting I said about a magic wand or that I somehow know more about the goings-on in Washington. I'm not talking about Washington. I'm talking about the middle of the country where even getting more people out to vote will continue to result in Republican candidates winning. Like it or not, we live in a country with lots of areas with nobody living there except Republicans! Who will continue to vote in a Republican controlled Congress. Voting in someone who is more socialist as President isn't actually going to make the Republicans less reactionary overall.

I'm sure Bernie totally gets that he needs Congress on his side to raise taxes, obviously, but I'd love to hear a realistic proposal for what he's going to do when that doesn't happen. Because it won't.

I get that realism isn't a huge thing when talking about the things we'd love from candidates, but you know.

 

[Into]

The key is that liberal voters, especially the younguns will stay home and not give a fuck, because a new Apple product might get released.

The lack of enthusiasm for her will produce a meh response.

And then you wake up to the Donald smoking a cigar in the White House, and punch out a thread here "GAF which country should i flee to? (fuck trump!)"

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Ooooooo. Digging through post history. I've obviously struck a nerve. Bernie Sanders has delivered a consistent message to a group of people who couldn't give less of a shit for a long, long time. He's still around. He's still on message. Hillary has become a very successful, wealthy person while being the "most vilified woman in the US". Feel free to stop feeling sorry for her at any time. There are far more worthy causes to direct your sympathy towards.

Plus, a majority of my posts that you reference were mocking the persecution complex I was talking about so... Congrats on calling me out for consistency, I suppose.



If you guys want to continue to point out instances of me being annoyed at hilgaf, I'm sure there's a lot of ammo you're leaving on the table.

Just take the L, man.

 

[JustenP88]

I mean, I didn't remotely say half the things you are suggesting I said about a magic wand or that I somehow know more about the goings-on in Washington. I'm not talking about Washington. I'm talking about the middle of the country where even getting more people out to vote will continue to result in Republican candidates winning. Like it or not, we live in a country with lots of areas with nobody living there except Republicans! Who will continue to vote in a Republican controlled Congress. Voting in someone who is more socialist as President isn't actually going to make the Republicans less reactionary overall.

I'm sure Bernie totally gets that he needs Congress on his side to raise taxes, obviously, but I'd love to hear a realistic proposal for what he's going to do when that doesn't happen. Because it won't.

I get that realism isn't a huge thing when talking about the things we'd love from candidates, but you know.

Democrats have completely and totally abandoned states they feel are lost causes. That needs to change. Your "why try cause the Republicans won't like it" rhetoric is self-defeating and a holdover from when Reagan came through and tore shit up.

Just take the L, man.

No? I'm not seeing the L here. You could've assumed from my initial post that I don't respect Hillary Clinton that much as a politician. Dramatis, or whatever, dug through my history to show me parroting the same shit. Sounds like a waste of time to me.

 

[noshten]

How can one be excited by the prospect of a war with Assad?
She is OK domestically, but on foreign policy issues she is in the same spectrum as some of the Republicans.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Yikes, I think you snatched his soul away.

Detective GAF is best GAF.

Not really.

Digging through someone's post history and using an ad-hominem is a poor form of arguing.

 

[Voysa Reezun]

Because she's a neo-liberal with enough of a taste for military action and an affinity for corporations driving policy. Kinda like a much-less charismatic Barack Obama. Acceptable considering the other options out there, especially because outside of the economy, her domestic policy will lessen rather than promote discrimination.

 

[Hobbestetrician]

Considering I'm in this install base that Hillary continues to exploit via appearances on Jimmy Fallon and Ellen, I don't think I'm the only person feeling that my candidate of choice shouldn't make a mockery of the process by trying to be funny and give off this faux persona. But nice try.