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I'm new to these boards but it seems that there is a lot of hating for MS/360 on here.

Any news that comes out for 360 gets instantly slagged and PS3 can do no wrong.

I'm just trying to gauge the feeling here. Are the majority of you die hard Sony fanboys (which is okay if you are - I know gaming is pationate and brings out strong consumer loyalty) or is there another reason.

It seems the split is somewhere around 80/20 in favour of Sony.

And has it always been this way at GAF.

BTW. I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to gauge feeling here.
 
Sonybots are fucking rampant here. The BIGGEST ones are Li Mu Bai, Gahiggidy, and Bingo the Clowno, so beware.
 
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"hate, hate, hate, hate..."
 
It's an online gaming forum, what do you expect? And trust me this is probably the best and most civilized one on the net. Just check out the IGN ones if you don't believe me.

I haven't been to Gamespot in awhile so I have no idea what those are like these days.
 
It's certainly the most active which is great. It's a 24/7 operation here :)
 
DSN2K said:
GAF is very pro xbox but the simple fact is people are not that taken with the 360 yet.
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Which is not surprising cause there really hasn't been a lot to show apart from 1/3 power low texture detail demo's and some dodgy looking vid.

The Killzone vid was great in that it really inspired. A great move for PS3 and easily my favourite vid for e3.
 
I think GAF is quite well rounded in its hate and love for all systems.
They are just a lot of Crows being passed around at the moment for those stating the DS was dead before it came out, and now realise they may have been SLIGHTLY wrong
360 just seems to be more of the same, just beefed up
PS3 again seems to be more of the same, BUT with big games and nicer tech
Rev seems to have fixed all the probs everyone had with the GC, so no one can complain about ANYTHING YET until they see the system comes with a free Hamster and wheel as its controller
 
I would say xbox is generally accepted well here, even though it's most obviously the "least popular" in terms of # of people owning it. Gamecube is disproportionately popular here (I don't know anyone in real life who owns a GC, but about 10 people who own ps2 / xbox).
The xbox "hate" you're referring to is probably due to a few trolls and some people who hate western games..

most of the problem comes from people trolling other consoles and games they haven't played or will ever play instead of only posting positive things about their favorite games/consoles. I mean if someone doesn't have any interest in Xbox 360 , that's fine, but why keep posting things like "it looks like xbox 1.5, the games look like shit etc" when they didn't care about it in the first place?

Btw from who will be getting which next gen console thread:
PS3: 70
360: 34
REV: 50

it should be quite clear to you the general make up of this forum..
 
You just ain't shown up on the right week, (or, in the case of E3, the right hour). It's like watching a tennis match when some people see console news.
 
The great thing about GAF is that news is pretty much posted here before it is posted on news sites and a lot of the people are witty, intelligent posters.
The bad thing about GAF is that some people just take their fanaticism a little too far and a little too seriously.
 
am I the only one who wasn't impressed with the Killzone vid and remembers how dull the game was? I feel like it sometimes...

I'm buying an Xbox next week so there ha!
 
Jonnyram said:
The great thing about GAF is that news is pretty much posted here before it is posted on news sites and a lot of the people are witty, intelligent posters.
The bad thing about GAF is that some people just take their fanaticism a little too far and a little too seriously.
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That's about it. Just add the fact that some people think they are funny (especially the ones who recycle the same old "joke" all the time) when they are not in the bad things and you get the full GAF effect.
 
I mean if someone doesn't have any interest in Xbox 360 , that's fine, but why keep posting things like "it looks like xbox 1.5, the games look like shit etc" when they didn't care about it in the first place?
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Well, it wouldn't be much of a forum if we all mutually accepted and respected the opinions that differ from our own.
 
thorns said:
(I don't know anyone in real life who owns a GC, but about 10 people who own ps2 / xbox).
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While I agree with your point that there are more GC owners here than proportionately to rest of the world, but using evidence like that to back up your claims is a big no no.

As for the poll many people who weren't interested in GC are interested in the Rev because of the backwards compatibility with the NES and SNES. Heck I am getting it just for my dad alone because he would love to play Zelda 1 & 2 and many other games again.
 
thorns said:
(I don't know anyone in real life who owns a GC, but about 10 people who own ps2 / xbox)
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Around here all 4 households I am friends with have both PS2s and GameCubes and not a single Xbox. I must not live in the USA, right?
 
In times like these, when rampant fanboyism pervades every orifice of the internetz, you must turn away from the old staples of suggestion - the poster of yesteryear who were once enthusiastic are now jaded and cynical; the unbiased of the past are the trolling fanboys of the future - instead looking to professional message board posters like myself who don't actually play videogames or even care about them. I might be uninformed, illogical, and in the process of constructing a living, breathing sculpture of the famed Bubbleman, but my ignorance also means I'm unbiased ;)
 
Jonnyram said:
The great thing about GAF is that news is pretty much posted here before it is posted on news sites and a lot of the people are witty, intelligent posters.
The bad thing about GAF is that some people just take their fanaticism a little too far and a little too seriously.
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cyberheater said:
I'm new to these boards but it seems that there is a lot of hating for MS/360 on here.

Any news that comes out for 360 gets instantly slagged and PS3 can do no wrong.
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The problem isn't with the forum. It's with you.

It's amazing how everyone has such a different perspective on the biases inherent in the forum. And bizarrely, it's always their own favourite console that's discriminated against. 'PS3 can do no wrong'? Don't know what forum you're reading, but it's certainly not this one.

The truth of the matter is that all systems have their cheerleaders and their haters here, and it doesn't particularly matter which is the majority view among your average GAFfers - that extreme bias tends to come from a small minority on each 'side'. It's kind of sad that these people feel so much emotional investment in companies rather than just enjoying the games, but that's just the way things go.

Of course, if you've got your own biases, then you see people supporting your favourite console as being normal and rational, and the hating on other systems as being fair and balanced discussion of their weak points, and suddenly it looks like the whole world is part of a giant conspiracy against Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. The moment that starts happening, just kick yourself once or twice and it should clear up.
 
The hate is spread around pretty even between Xbox, 360, Gamecube ect. but if there was really a dog of the forum it was the DS. You really are new here because nothing bad said about Xbox or 360 and its games can even remotely compare to the sheer amount of bloodlust Animosity that was thrown at the Nintendo DS by posters, moderators and admins alike. They all came together for the great purpose of giving Nintendo the huge middle finger for making a handheld that could not, would not hold a candle to the new generation of portables, the Gizmondo. Yeseree ever since that sucker hit shelves people take one look at its games side by side with the DS and puke in disgust of Nintendo's efforts. There is also some nonsense about the PSP being some competition but it doesn't have that much of a fanbase here at GAF.

Thanks to the Great Drinky Crow and his crusades to rid the world of the DS and DS related fake game applications GAF was a maelstrom of Nintendo apathy. And then there was the great cleansing of 1st quarter 05 where a belligerent Nintendo zealot hacked the GAF servers and banned any and everyone who ever spoke a bad word about the DS or Nintendo. After the incident a flurry of bannings followed to anyone who portrayed an image that the DS would trample the PSP in the portable race for number one. Of course eventually the DS started to do great in Japan, with a plethora of game and non-game releases and a heap of assorted new rainbow colors, handily whooping the PSP week over week for going on 2 straight months now. In affect the DS haters had to eat an ocean of crow and even worse endure the DS fanbase to not only celebrate but grow stronger with each new release and game announcement.

Then we have E3. Everyone was expected MS to take the world by storm with the unveiling of Perfect Dark Zero for 360 and all GAF got was a mediocre looking next-gen game that could easily be pulled off on current PC's and a horrible 3D model known simply as "Wall Guy". Wall Guy paved the way for masses of Xbox discontents to bash and discredit the 360 for being incapable of true next-gen graphics. After E3 GAF was split half and half by those who were impressed with the 360 and those who felt the PS3 would handily outshine Microsofts sophmore efforts by displaying questionable quasi real-time/pre-rendered videos in hopes that the final product would resemble the amazingly jaw dropping demos. As for Nintendo, they botched the unveiling of the Revolution but left a few very promising details like free online gaming service and BC with every past Nintendo console through their online service but that was originally overshadowed by a remark by Perrin Kaplan that the Rev would only be 2-3x more powerful than Gamecube. The trolling on Rev because of that one statement almost approached DS levels. As for the DS it continued its run of good press by out-classing the PSP with a multitude of AAA titles.

Currently after the E3 Dust has settled the 360 isn't nearly as shunned as it was during the first unveiling of Perfect Dark Zero and is receiving a stead stream of positive press and game previews with games like 99 Knights winning over many GAF residents. The Rev being only 2-3x more powerful than Gamecube was debunked by IGN and PSP is being shunned for the first time ever by some disatisfied owners.

So as you can see the hate is pretty evenly spread around its just that Sony rarely gets trolled because it would be asinine to do so given its massive library and number one market position. For one group of people to call foul because of a little discontent for some trolling here and there is meaningless in the grand scheme of how easily console perception changes at GAF. So do not fret if you see 360 as being trolled right now 2 weeks from now it will be Gamecube, PS3 or Rev ect. Or it could be you only see what you choose to see. Only DS supporters can claim that their console endured widespread hate and trolling but at the time it seemed right to do so.
 
People troll PSP, DS, Gamecube and 360 cause they're doing poor right now (whether in impressions or in actual games).

Why would anyone diss on PS2 when it's been coming out with solid games?

It's common sense hating.
 
The situation is quite balanced right now and there are few trolls doing their work in an evident way. Do you think there is hate? You should been here during the Xbox's unveling and launch, now, that was some hardcore hating :lol :lol :lol
 
Anytime you have a medium that caters to the ever powerful armchair enthusiast (literally, lolz), petty squabbling about details most people would consider inconsequential will occur. Which system has the best graphics, who's the hawtest game designer, and, of course, which system's the best overall are common threads of discussion woven into the fabric of GAF -- sometimes they're valid, and othertimes they're just an excuse for fanboys to fling shit at each other.

Generally speaking, people who swear allegiance to one system do so out of necessity - be it financial or for other reasons like losing gaming interest in favour of getting involved in e-drama. These people, who'd rather tell the world why one of shiggy's translated quotes means Nintendo will be creating an exercise ball with a gyro inside of it to control onscreen action, aren't true gamers and can easily be ignored :).
 
iapetus said:
The problem isn't with the forum. It's with you.

It's amazing how everyone has such a different perspective on the biases inherent in the forum. And bizarrely, it's always their own favourite console that's discriminated against. 'PS3 can do no wrong'? Don't know what forum you're reading, but it's certainly not this one.

The truth of the matter is that all systems have their cheerleaders and their haters here, and it doesn't particularly matter which is the majority view among your average GAFfers - that extreme bias tends to come from a small minority on each 'side'. It's kind of sad that these people feel so much emotional investment in companies rather than just enjoying the games, but that's just the way things go.

Of course, if you've got your own biases, then you see people supporting your favourite console as being normal and rational, and the hating on other systems as being fair and balanced discussion of their weak points, and suddenly it looks like the whole world is part of a giant conspiracy against Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. The moment that starts happening, just kick yourself once or twice and it should clear up.
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Quoted for truth.
 
BuddyC said:
It's all about how you choose to look at things, man. Man.
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Yes...

iapetus said:
The problem isn't with the forum. It's with you.

It's amazing how everyone has such a different perspective on the biases inherent in the forum. And bizarrely, it's always their own favourite console that's discriminated against. 'PS3 can do no wrong'? Don't know what forum you're reading, but it's certainly not this one.

The truth of the matter is that all systems have their cheerleaders and their haters here, and it doesn't particularly matter which is the majority view among your average GAFfers - that extreme bias tends to come from a small minority on each 'side'. It's kind of sad that these people feel so much emotional investment in companies rather than just enjoying the games, but that's just the way things go.

Of course, if you've got your own biases, then you see people supporting your favourite console as being normal and rational, and the hating on other systems as being fair and balanced discussion of their weak points, and suddenly it looks like the whole world is part of a giant conspiracy against Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft. The moment that starts happening, just kick yourself once or twice and it should clear up.
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....and yes.

If you're on "one side", and are defensive about any negative talk about "your" system, you're going to notice it far more than anything else. It's all about your perception.
 
Yes, it's all hate, hypocritical hate and irrational hate and all new sorts of hate here. Most of the forum is made up of sony fanboys in denial of being fanboys. That's not a popular view, but that's the gist. My first rule is don't trust anyone who says they aren't a fanboy. Nintendo fans are loud for certain, Second loudest are the "I'm not a fanboy" fanboys. Third are the MS/Sega-refugees(there are a lot of bitter sega refugees but I still kind of love them for at least liking a game company). Sony fans are quiet but the blindest of all. They have no emotional attachment, they just go along with everything. With a Nintendo fan or MS fan there is some sort of expectation and if expectation is not met then there is backlash. See Wind Waker and Halo 2 for this.
 
IMO the number one used term by any irrational fanboy is "Your in Denial". 99.999999% of the time someone says that they are also guilty of the same accusation.

No offense to etiolate.
 
this place is surprisingly level-headed.

Yes there are trolls and fanboys, but most of the obvious tricks are spotted and ignored or ridiculed like they should be.

Other comments are often interesting and worthwhile, getting the supporters of a platform to consider potential weaknesses and think up responses that aren't simply fanboy rhetoric.

Its called constructive discussion, and this place has a good amount of that.
 
Since everyone here is supposedly a Xbox360 hater, I wanna know where all the hate for Gears of War is! Have I been missing the endless threads where Gears of War is condemned and insulted/ignored/marginalized? All I know is that the hype for the game is so great here and it's pretty much a must-have for 2006.

It's really how you choose to look at things. :D
 
Shaheed79 said:
IMO the number one used term by any irrational fanboy is "Your in Denial". 99.999999% of the time someone says that they are also guilty of the same accusation.

No offense to etiolate.
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None taken. In a way you say the same thing I am saying, unless you think there are people who have no bias. I don't ever think I don't have a bias.
 
etiolate said:
None taken. In a way you say the same thing I am saying, unless you think there are people who have no bias. I don't ever think I don't have a bias.
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Exactly, just about everyone here has a bias towards something and are fanboys. The best kind of fanboys though are the ones who can admit what they are that they prefer Nintendo, Sony, or MS consoles for their own personal maybe even selfish reasons. It is those who act like they support one of those consoles because of pure logical reasoning that their preferred console is unquestionably the best or is great to anyone who plays games. Nothing worse than a fanboy who thinks he is not a fanboy and proclaims himself as some sort of "fanboy-buster" trying to put people in their place who disagree with their "all truth". I'm thinking lots of Nintendo fans might know they are fanboys of Nintendo for their own personal/selfish reasons while some Sony and Microsoft fans might believe that they are totally unbiased and just chose the "obviously superior console". Of course Nintendo fans can be the same way but given the Cubes market position they rarely argue superiority as much as Xbox and Sony supporters do.
 
duckroll said:
Since everyone here is supposedly a Xbox360 hater, I wanna know where all the hate for Gears of War is! Have I been missing the endless threads where Gears of War is condemned and insulted/ignored/marginalized? All I know is that the hype for the game is so great here and it's pretty much a must-have for 2006.

It's really how you choose to look at things. :D
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I might hate it :)

Seriously though, apart from the gorgeous graphics, it just screams brute force at me, and I'm getting bored of UE type graphics already.

I'm sure I'll be floored first time I play something looking like that at a good frame rate though..
 
But has it always been that way ?
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here are some quotes from 2002, some were made by mods. the thread: some analyst predicts Xbox will sell 25 millions units by 2005

Who are these idiots? This is from London as well. There is no way xbox can achieve those sales anymore.
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i think they added an extra 0 at the end by mistake
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Some one didn't want to do any research so he asked his 3 yr old son for a big number and that was that.
It amazes me how people can say this stuff with absolutely no facts or surveys to back them up.
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What are they expecting to do to aacomplish that? Give them away in Japan and Europe?
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Fuuken Xbox. What a POS. 25 million my ass...
Xbox: Super duper pooper scooper.
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Excelion said:
here are some quotes from 2002, some were made by mods. the thread: some analyst predicts Xbox will sell 25 millions units by 2005
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Who exactly said that Xbox will sell 25 million units by 2005?
 
iapetus said:
The problem isn't with the forum. It's with you..
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Maybe I joined at a bad time (during E3) but the Sony fanboys were out in full force saying how wonderful the PS3 is and crapping over every 360 announcement. All that "Xbox 1.5" stuff etc...

I didn't see that kind of thing happening from the MS boys.

And the poor old nREV hardly got a mention.

So it's not exactly perception. It was a fact.
 
cyberheater said:
Maybe I joined at a bad time (during E3) but the Sony fanboys were out in full force saying how wonderful the PS3 is and crapping over every 360 announcement. All that "Xbox 1.5" stuff etc...

I didn't see that kind of thing happening from the MS boys.

And the poor old nREV hardly got a mention.

So it's not exactly perception. It was a fact.
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:lol

I think you'll fit in quite nicely. :)
 
Yeah, you're correct cyberheater. I definitely see it that way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be over here setting up a shrine to the PS3 banana controller. Truly, it is the greatest controller ever made!
 
cyberheater said:
I didn't see that kind of thing happening from the MS boys.
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:lol

I am amused by your keen sense of sarcasm. I hope.

If, on the other hand you were being serious, thanks for proving my point.
 
Amir0x said:
Yeah, you're correct cyberheater. I definitely see it that way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be over here setting up a shrine to the PS3 banana controller. Truly, it is the greatest controller ever made!
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...for the ladies.
 
cyberheater said:
I'm new to these boards but it seems that there is a lot of hating for MS/360 on here.

Any news that comes out for 360 gets instantly slagged and PS3 can do no wrong.

I'm just trying to gauge the feeling here. Are the majority of you die hard Sony fanboys (which is okay if you are - I know gaming is pationate and brings out strong consumer loyalty) or is there another reason.

It seems the split is somewhere around 80/20 in favour of Sony.

And has it always been this way at GAF.

BTW. I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to gauge feeling here.
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