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[Freedom Gate Co.]

No one is questioning the disc as DRM. What we are questioning are your claims of a performance hit due to continuous checks and scans of the disc from "blu ray drm codecs" slowing down transfer speeds from a separate hard drive or ssd. I am fine with any PS hacking scene documentation OR official documentation. From the screeds you write it gives the interpretation that you don't understand what a codec actually does or what a DRM check actually is.

No, the performance hit is after the game is installed. The game was made with the Bluray format in mind. Even in the SSD the Bluray codec and DRM are still in the disc. so you can't increase the read speds any higher than the max Bluray will allow you even with a SSD because it was only formatted to go a certain maximum speed.

You can work around this by using the laser to read the disc at the same time as the SSD running the install but that creates latency.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

begun has the next gen fires

 

[jshackles]

I..........

what.....

Can someone please explain how this works in ONE post, instead of multiple small posts by different people so he actually keeps up and understands?

Freedom Gate Co. seems to like reading garbage news articles, so maybe this will help (circa 2013)

https://kotaku.com/how-mandatory-game-installations-will-work-on-ps4-1462283797

The disc installation is required on PS4 because the console is not designed to read games off of discs.

 

[Endless Fluff]

As Adam Savage would say: He rejects reality and substitutes it with his own.

 

[Afro Republican]

No shit Sherlock that's why we have options for both physical and digital.

Wait, I think he ACTUALLY read your post as "you can't install a hardrive to your console without a Blu Ray disc in your console." I'm not even joking.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Wait, I think he ACTUALLY read your post as "you can't install a hardrive to your console without a Blu Ray disc in your console." I'm not even joking.

How else am I supposed to read it? Look:

He keeps ignoring that fact. The blu ray is for installation on the harddrive.

That's exactly what he said.

 

[digital_ghost]

I never said the game ran off the disc. I said the codecs when you download to the SSD will still make the install to slow to take advantage of SSD speeds since the DRM is continously checked even installed.

Funny. I stick a disc in my ps4 and it installs in a few minutes. Then I play the game just fine without slowdown. The load times aren't even long.

This is on a non ssd.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No, the performance hit is after the game is installed. The game was made with the Bluray format in mind. Even in the SSD the Bluray codec and DRM are still in the disc. so you can't increase the read speds any higher than the max Bluray will allow you even with a SSD because it was only formatted to go a certain maximum speed.

You can work around this by using the laser to read the disc at the same time as the SSD running the install but that creates latency.

Hahaha, no.

 

[Afro Republican]

BUTTERFLY IN THE SKY!!!!! FREEDOMGATE'S JUST A HIGH!!!! TAKE SOME CRACK,, IT'S IN A BOOK!! READING RAINBOW!!!!

 

[SonGoku]

I never said the game ran off the disc. I said the codecs when you download to the SSD will still make the install to slow to take advantage of SSD speeds since the DRM is continously checked even installed.

Ohhh but havent you heard? thats old news that affected the ps3 only
With PS4 SONY invented HTNL5 codec (code name Wyvern) it runs of a secondary ARM processor located in the power brick, it effectively nullified any performance penalty
They sold the license to MS that's why the xbone was more expensive at launch ($500 vs $400) and their GPU/Memory config was weaker because they used alot of the budget money paying Sony for the next generation Wyvern codec license.

Its fascinating stuff really, if you got time i suggest you read up on it.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Funny. I stick a disc in my ps4 and it installs in a few minutes. Then I play the game just fine without slowdown. The load times aren't even long.

This is on a non ssd.

Bluraydiscs aren't made with SSD in mind, they were formatted for HDD. There are fast HDD but the tech that makes SSD's faster is different from HDD's.

 

[onQ123]

So tell me how a Blu-ray drive can somehow make tech that's making load times go from 15 seconds to under 1 second useless & void?

 

[DeepEnigma]

BUTTERFLY IN THE SKY!!!!! FREEDOMGATE'S JUST A HIGH!!!! TAKE SOME CRACK,, IT'S IN A BOOK!! READING RAINBOW!!!!

How many colors are on that rainbow?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Bluraydiscs aren't made with SSD in mind, they were formatted for HDD. There are fast HDD but the tech that makes SSD's faster is different from HDD's.

Just stop, lol.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Bluraydiscs aren't made with SSD in mind, they were formatted for HDD.

 

[digital_ghost]

Bluraydiscs aren't made with SSD in mind, they were formatted for HDD. There are fast HDD but the tech that makes SSD's faster is different from HDD's.

Do you have a source showing evidence of your claim?

 

[Afro Republican]

How many colors are on that rainbow?

Don't know, Blu Ray is too weak to render the rainbow, so I need you to download the new "digital tools" so we can downgrade checkerboard a rainbow and print it on a Blu Ray disc.

what?

 

[theHFIC]

No, the performance hit is after the game is installed. The game was made with the Bluray format in mind. Even in the SSD the Bluray codec and DRM are still in the disc. so you can't increase the read speds any higher than the max Bluray will allow you even with a SSD because it was only formatted to go a certain maximum speed.

You can work around this by using the laser to read the disc at the same time as the SSD running the install but that creates latency.

this is some really high level trolling. my hat is off to you. had me going for a second lol!

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Just stop, lol.

You do know that SSD didn't even exist when bluray was made right?

 

[Airbus Jr]

HeresJohny obsessed with $399
FreedomCo obsessed with BluRay
Afro obsessed with Poll
Voost obssesed with anticonsumer
KageyK obsessed with the word astroturf
Monsterkillah obsessed with Brie Larson giff

Anything else im missing?

 

[DeepEnigma]

You do know that SSD didn't even exist when bluray was made right?

...

 

[jshackles]

You do know that SSD didn't even exist when bluray was made right?

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

...

There were no SSD drives in 2006.

 

[BigBooper]

I agree. They should put games on SSDs since they are getting so cheap. Just have a slot that fits into an esata port. That way you could save on the internal storage space too because you could just run games from their own SSD

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

MODERN SSD drives. The ones that are fast. SANTAIII

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

 

[Grinchy]

So if PC games still came on discs, and the exact same installation files we have today were printed on blurays, PC gaming would not see any benefits from SSDs anymore?

 

[DeepEnigma]

There were no SSD drives in 2006.

Psst. Look up.

Regardless, you don’t understand what you’re talking about.

So if PC games still came on discs, and the exact same installation files we have today were printed on blurays, PC gaming would not see any benefits from SSDs anymore?

Shhhhh. Don’t ruin it.

 

[FF:Enhanced_Reality]

All that blurb about blu ray when we don't even know what it'll use yet. We just know that it has an optical drive.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Psst. Look up.

Regardless, you don’t understand what you’re talking about.

SATAIII did not exist in 2006.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

MODERN SSD drives. The ones that are fast. SANTAIII

Utter meltdown!! I think we broke the NPC.

 

[Afro Republican]

SANTAIII

Is cominnngggg to towwwnnn. He sees you when you're on dr-

Actually what happened to Santa 1 and Santa 2? Did the reindeer crash? We might be able to save them if we read from the disc.

 

[DeepEnigma]

SATAIII did not exist in 2006.

Are you drunk? Serious question.

 

[Klayzer]

this is some really high level trolling. my hat is off to you. had me going for a second lol!

this is some really high level trolling. my hat is off to you. had me going for a second lol!

I totally bit on it also. But that was my last Scooby snack for him today.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

So if PC games still came on discs, and the exact same installation files we have today were printed on blurays, PC gaming would not see any benefits from SSDs anymore?

PC's are not a closed platform, so there's nothing proprietary making the installation process only a one-way connection.

For the PS5, if I download a game, the DRM and codec are proprietary because Bluray is a proprietary format. DVD was the last open format we had, which is why it was easy to upgrade, enhance, and crack. The PS5 OS is also made with Bluray in mind.

It's that exclusive software that makes the SSD never reach its full potential.

 

[SonGoku]

Are you drunk? Serious question.

Alcohol did not exist in 2019.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Are you drunk? Serious question.

Show me a SATAIII drive that existed in 2006?

Even then it still wouldn't be at its full potential because of the codec.

 

[Shakka43]

Stopped reading after the second point. Don't think it's worth reading much after that lol

 

[Airbus Jr]

Show me a SATAIII drive that existed in 2006?

Even then it still wouldn't be at its full potential because of the codec.

Dude this is 2019 nobody cares about SATAIII

 

[jshackles]

Blu Ray was released in 2006, SATAIII was released in 2009. Therefore, SATAIII is faster than Blu Ray.

Duh.

It's not like the two technologies are complimentary, and when SATAIII was introduced they created faster Blu Ray drives that could take advantage of it. No way.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Show me a SATAIII drive that existed in 2006?

Even then it still wouldn't be at its full potential because of the codec.

What is that have to do with Blu-ray discs?

 

[Afro Republican]

Show me a SATAIII drive that existed in 2006?

Even then it still wouldn't be at its full potential because of the codec.

I like how you put that last sentence there to try and save face if your first question was wrong.

 

[Insane Metal]

No, the performance hit is after the game is installed. The game was made with the Bluray format in mind. Even in the SSD the Bluray codec and DRM are still in the disc. so you can't increase the read speds any higher than the max Bluray will allow you even with a SSD because it was only formatted to go a certain maximum speed.

You can work around this by using the laser to read the disc at the same time as the SSD running the install but that creates latency.

Damn dude. And

MODERN SSD drives. The ones that are fast. SANTAIII

Just stop

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Blu Ray was released in 2006, SATAIII was released in 2009. Therefore, SATAIII is faster than Blu Ray.

Duh.

Yes, because Bluray was made for HDD not modern SDD. No Bluray supports SATAIII or higher speeds. It's capped at SATAII at most, but it's maximum is the fastest HDD which is faster than SATAII.

 

[Chozofication_]

I don't understand your fascination with hd dvd. As far as I can see a 2x drive has the same speed as a 2x bluray drive's 9mb/s read.

 

[Afro Republican]

What is that have to do with Blu-ray discs?

I've been lost since #2 in the OP, welcome to the club.

 

[digital_ghost]

Bluraydiscs aren't made with SSD in mind, they were formatted for HDD. There are fast HDD but the tech that makes SSD's faster is different from HDD's.

So all Sony has to do is make a custom bluray disc that is made for SSD in PS5. Assuming what you said is true that is. You haven't provided any links to back up your claim.

Its been humorous.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Boom, game-set-match. Feel free for all the above users to apologize, I'll accept it with open arms.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...y-optical-drive-or-will-sata-3-be-ok.2053916/

My question is, will a blu ray optical drive be hindered at all by being connected to a sata 3 port, especially when i'm going to be playing 4k video though it on my 4k monitor. (in the future).

• Wont matter, blu-ray will not exceed SATA 2 (3Gb's)

Can't do modern SSD's as I said, confirmed!

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Imagine allowing these kinds of threads and not my innocent and harmless Kojima threads. Still waiting for my thread posting privilege to be given back to me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Boom, game-set-match. Feel free for all the above users to apologize, I'll accept it with open arms.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...y-optical-drive-or-will-sata-3-be-ok.2053916/





Can't do modern SSD's as I said, confirmed!

What does that have to do with the game already installed on a hard drive?

All that reinforces is they moved away from streaming off of Blu-ray because of how slow it is compared to a mechanical or solid-state drive.

Once the game is installed on the hard drive, the disc serves zero purpose other than a check in.

Why aren’t you getting this?