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Why the PlayStation 5 still using Bluray will make most of its revealed specs useless and void, and why they should ditch it for alternatives.

SonGoku

Member
Blu Ray was released in 2006, SATAIII was released in 2009. Therefore, SATAIII is faster than Blu Ray.

Duh.

It's not like the two technologies are complimentary, and when SATAIII was introduced they created faster Blu Ray drives that could take advantage of it. No way.
You got it all backwards
Bluray was not designed with SATA III in mind, games installed from a BD can never tap into the SDD full power because of the pesky bluray codec.
Its the same reason why Goku could not reach the full potential of SS3 while alive because his mortal body was born before SS3 existed. SS3 was created in the other world (digital) the only way to tap into its full potential is by being dead.
 
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Boom, game-set-match. Feel free for all the above users to apologize, I'll accept it with open arms.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...y-optical-drive-or-will-sata-3-be-ok.2053916/

Can't do modern SSD's as I said, confirmed!

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...rner-was/e38be024-928e-418c-8bad-3ec4405d3947

Windows 10 installed while Blu Ray burner was disconnected
I've reattached the SATA cable and now the BIOS sees the Blu Ray (as SATA3) but Device Manager still doesn't display it.
I tried the Check for New Hardware 3-4 times and changed the BIOS setting for SATA3 from Auto to CD/ROM but Device Mangers still does not display the Blu Ray burner.
Device manger does see and list the (2) internal HDDs, the External SATA, the Media bloc and the USBs and Fire Wire connectors.

Checkmate. ;)
 

SonGoku

Member
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I think I knocked out the OP real hard with that SATAIII post. ;)

If this is anything like the last thread he'll come back when someone makes a typo or make a post that can be taken out of context and then create a new argument completely burying the old one.

What a wild ride though!
 

Dipsed

Member
Man this industry desperately wants to force everyone to digital only and the problem is that they are willing to lose as much money as possible in the process. The majority of gamers don’t want digital only, we want options. Most of the hardcore don’t want digital only, we want options. I know is cool t hate on Sony right now but like in 2013 they are the only ones still catering to the consumer on this.
 

BlackTron

Gold Member
2. You can't tout that you are going to have a "fast SSD Drive" in the PS5 and say loads will take one second if you are still using Bluray. When you install from Bluray you're also running the Bluray data and codecs on the machine, which an SSD drive won't do much to increase the speed of because that format is naturally slow, especially since it checks DRM. Even if you were to add a bit of laser disc read, it would only marginally increase the speed. It's like you having a 20watt phone wanting a 30wat charge from the charger, you can't charge at 30 wats if the phone is capped at 20, the SSD drive is basically useless outside Digital games.

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on GAF. How can you just make this shit up and post it like you're an expert?

Was anyone worried about installing a PC game from a DVD-ROM and having the load times of the HDD affected by the DVD format?

Nobody was worried, because they weren't idiots.
 
Man this industry desperately wants to force everyone to digital only and the problem is that they are willing to lose as much money as possible in the process. The majority of gamers don’t want digital only, we want options. Most of the hardcore don’t want digital only, we want options. I know is cool t hate on Sony right now but like in 2013 they are the only ones still catering to the consumer on this.

The only reason this is happening is that there's no innovation by SOny, Phillips, and others in the bluray club that have become washed up. 4K bluray is just upressed bluray with the same problems. Companies wants a better and easier solution instead of using archaic tools.

That's why so many want to go to digital because they are through waiting after 13 years of losing money on a failed format. They don't have the patience anymore.
 

NickFire

Member
The only reason this is happening is that there's no innovation by SOny, Phillips, and others in the bluray club that have become washed up. 4K bluray is just upressed bluray with the same problems. Companies wants a better and easier solution instead of using archaic tools.

That's why so many want to go to digital because they are through waiting after 13 years of losing money on a failed format. They don't have the patience anymore.
You cannot be serious and capable of using a keyboard. There is just no way that you do not recognize the financial incentives of going digital for developers / pubs. You know, like being able to prevent used sales (they get no cut), and being able to control pricing for far longer. With physical the retailers start to undercut each other to avoid taxes on inventory and to just move product off limited shelf space. With digital there are no concerns about inventory and shelf control.
 
The only reason this is happening is that there's no innovation by SOny, Phillips, and others in the bluray club that have become washed up. 4K bluray is just upressed bluray with the same problems. Companies wants a better and easier solution instead of using archaic tools.

That's why so many want to go to digital because they are through waiting after 13 years of losing money on a failed format. They don't have the patience anymore.

I freaking CALLED IT!!

I think I knocked out the OP real hard with that SATAIII post. ;)

If this is anything like the last thread he'll come back when someone makes a typo or makes a post that can be taken out of context and then create a new argument completely burying the old one.
 

NickFire

Member
My post literally says that developers are leaving Bluray because they can make more money than digital. Can you read?
Yes, in the very end you said they are losing money. But look at the entirety of your post. No where in said post did you mention the logical, common sense, and factually true reasons they want to go digital that I replied with. Rather, you claimed they are losing money because of the blu ray discs, which is dumb. I will take back part of what I said though. Apparently you can use a keyboard even if you seriously believe what you are writing.
 

NickFire

Member
I think I knocked out the OP real hard with that SATAIII post. ;)

If this is anything like the last thread he'll come back when someone makes a typo or make a post that can be taken out of context and then create a new argument completely burying the old one.

What a wild ride though!
You really did call it. If you got any tips on powerball numbers my pm's are ready.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
OP, how do you feel about the Switch? Surely, without being held back by the constraints of a Blu Ray disc medium it should definitely be the fastest console on the market today, right?
 
Looking at recent posts and comments of the poster taking ppls criticism of the digital Xbox personally and in full defense I can see why this post was made lol

Green team damage control and propoganda machine is in full swing I see🤔 Do ppl really believe well eat this shit up? And believe some fake ass arm chair analyst over Cerny who has been on point in terms of hardware.

This world is mad and the tryhards are insane 😂😂😂
People need to stop trying to pawn him off on innocent xbox fans. We don't want him.
OT: Everything posted in OP is
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Ten_Fold

Member
Believe it or not ALOT of people want disc still, some people don’t really keep a big amount of games so they sell it towards a newer game or for some small cash, I don’t see it going away anytime soon, maybe next next gen, but they might just come out with 2 models at that point.
 
Yes, in the very end you said they are losing money. But look at the entirety of your post. No where in said post did you mention the logical, common sense, and factually true reasons they want to go digital that I replied with. Rather, you claimed they are losing money because of the blu ray discs, which is dumb. I will take back part of what I said though. Apparently you can use a keyboard even if you seriously believe what you are writing.

They are leaving Bluray because they are losing money on it. Why else would they switch to the more profitable format? That's business 101.
 
OP, how do you feel about the Switch? Surely, without being held back by the constraints of a Blu Ray disc medium it should definitely be the fastest console on the market today, right?

Which means nothing if your graphics are slightly better than the Wii U and half your ports can't run at 30fps.
 

NickFire

Member
They are leaving Bluray because they are losing money on it. Why else would they switch to the more profitable format? That's business 101.
No. They want to go digital because they can make more money. And my gosh, can you cite to a SINGLE developer that matters who released a digital only game that matters, who said we did not release a physical version on PS4 or Xbox One because the blue ray discs are losing money???
 
No. They want to go digital because they can make more money. And my gosh, can you cite to a SINGLE developer that matters who released a digital only game that matters, who said we did not release a physical version on PS4 or Xbox One because the blue ray discs are losing money???

This is a simple 3+3 problem that you're making complex for no discernible reason.

If BR was making them profit, why would they move to ONLY Digital?

See? Easy. Because movie studios are losing money. As well as game studios.
 

Kenpachii

Member
Medium doesn't matter.

Everything gets installed anyway.

There is no need to innovate on this space, medium is death anyway and probably the last gen it gets pushed.

I see absolutely no reason for them to switch of blu-ray at this point in time for another medium other then digital. It's just there for support for people that don't have digital options really.
 
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Medium doesn't matter.

Everything gets installed anyway.

There is no need to innovate on this space, medium is death anyway and probably the last gen it gets pushed.

You need the Medium to make sure the install works with the proprietary hardware. I.e. you can't play a PS5 Bluray on an Xbox.

You also need it for Drm.
 

NickFire

Member
This is a simple 3+3 problem that you're making complex for no discernible reason.

If BR was making them profit, why would they move to ONLY Digital?

See? Easy. Because movie studios are losing money. As well as game studios.
First of all, who is moving to digital only?
 
I already proved to you there are SATAIII compatible Blu Rays, you literally can no longer make the argument that the SSD will be slow because you install the digital download from a freaking Blu Ray disc.

Please explain how the SSD can STILL be slow?
 
That's because of the software on the disc, not the disc format itself. You must be trolling. Lol

See now we are getting somewhere.

The software on the disc is made specifically for the PS5 to run despite other machines having Bluray drives.

So when you install a BR disc to an SSD, it can't load faster than the software on the disc is capable of.

That's all I'm saying.
 
See now we are getting somewhere.

The software on the disc is made specifically for the PS5 to run despite other machines having Bluray drives.

So when you install a BR disc to an SSD, it can't load faster than the software on the disc is capable of.

That's all I'm saying.

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Did you forget your argument was that companies were running from Blu Ray because they were bleeding money????

Why did you spiral back to SSD? What does the SSD have to do with companies losing money from Blu Ray???
 
See now we are getting somewhere.

The software on the disc is made specifically for the PS5 to run despite other machines having Bluray drives.

So when you install a BR disc to an SSD, it can't load faster than the software on the disc is capable of.

That's all I'm saying.
To install, yes. But that's not all you're saying.
 

NickFire

Member
Damn it Nick, you gave him an escape route. lol.
He's talking about PS5 in thread title, and he supports his claim that blu ray costs will hold PS5 back by referencing Steam???? I thought we were talking about people making games for PS4 since he claims devs are moving digital only in context of PS5 thread. I even specifically started with "And my gosh, can you cite to a SINGLE developer that matters who released a digital only game that matters, who said we did not release a physical version on PS4 or Xbox One because the blue ray discs are losing money???"

You're 100% right. I need to ignore this guy. My head is spinning.
 

Kenpachii

Member
You need the Medium to make sure the install works with the proprietary hardware. I.e. you can't play a PS5 Bluray on an Xbox.

You also need it for Drm.

You make no sense.

The information on the blu-ray is nothing but a installer with a activation key to unlock it on PSN forever.
The only reason blu-ray exists is for people this upcoming generation that don't want to download a massive installer.

The fact that everything gets installed and the DRM gets checkt over PSN, make blu-ray basically completely useless other then just being a installer.

Physical media is moving out of the gate, because its slower / more costly to use then digital.

If sony plans to use there SSD in any form they will have to opt for this solution anyway. That's also how PC did it when it made the transisted from physical to digital.

Speed of software gets decided by the medium that its on. If you install a program on a slow HDD, or a Slow medium its slow. If you copy past it on a fast as lightning medium its fast as hell.

That's the reason why people upgraded there HDD's towards SSD as it effects all software that requires faster speed.
 
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Did you forget your argument was that companies were running from Blu Ray because they were bleeding money????

Why did you spiral back to SSD? What does the SSD have to do with companies losing money from Blu Ray???

Digital games you just throw them in a marketplace and a fee.

With Bluray you have 11 (!) additional costs:

1. Production of disc

2. Print of disc.

3. Labeling of Disc

4. Formatting for the forma.

5. Needing tools for the format.

6. Licensing

7. Manufacturing in mass

8. Retail cost

9. Distributor cost

10. Software expenses

11. Drm expenses

That's a crazy amount of money for a format that doesn't make you profit.
 
You make no sense.

The information on the blu-ray is nothing but a installer with a activation key to unlock it on PSN forever.
The only reason blu-ray exists is for people this upcoming generation that don't want to download a massive installer.

The fact that everything gets installed and the DRM gets checkt over PSN, make blu-ray basically completely useless other then just being a installer.

Physical media is moving out of the gate, because its slower / more costly to use then digital.

If sony plans to use there SSD in any form they will have to opt for this solution anyway. That's also how PC did it when it transisted.

Yes but you can't place a PS5 Bluray in an Xbox. This is the part you guys aren't getting, there's system software in the disc that is proprietary. So that also downloads to the SSD when you install the game.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Digital games you just throw them in a marketplace and a fee.

With Bluray you have 11 (!) additional costs:

1. Production of disc

2. Print of disc.

3. Labeling of Disc

4. Formatting for the forma.

5. Needing tools for the format.

6. Licensing

7. Manufacturing in mass

8. Retail cost

9. Distributor cost

10. Software expenses

11. Drm expenses

That's a crazy amount of money for a format that doesn't make you profit.

And how many thousands of retail and delivery jobs etc?
Supporting how many families?

But screw them and anyone that can’t get good internet speeds I guess !?
 
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